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ALVAMA

Professional

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Monday, February 27th 2012, 6:15pm

US Ultima

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BruceDuncan

Ex chaos ordo

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Monday, February 27th 2012, 6:32pm

A tour de force of drawing skill, but impractical from a design point of view.

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ALVAMA

Professional

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Monday, February 27th 2012, 6:35pm

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
A tour de force of drawing skill, but impractical from a design point of view.

Thankyou! It's a real design with just some own details..

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Brockpaine

The Shadow

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Monday, February 27th 2012, 6:54pm

Excellent drawing of an (IMHO) ugly ship!

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eltf177

Trainee

Posts: 157

Monday, February 27th 2012, 9:42pm

So Gibbs and Cox, unable to sell it to the Soviets, manage to convince the USN to build it!

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Commodore Green

The Irish Legend

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Monday, February 27th 2012, 11:17pm

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Originally posted by eltf177
So Gibbs and Cox, unable to sell it to the Soviets, manage to convince the USN to build it!

And you have to wonder about the design philosophy that puts a couple of seaplane catapults on the stern of what is essentially an aircraft carrier.....

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Brockpaine

The Shadow

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Monday, February 27th 2012, 11:20pm

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Originally posted by Commodore Green

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Originally posted by eltf177
So Gibbs and Cox, unable to sell it to the Soviets, manage to convince the USN to build it!

And you have to wonder about the design philosophy that puts a couple of seaplane catapults on the stern of what is essentially an aircraft carrier.....

You noticed that too, huh?

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ShinRa_Inc

Mad Scientist at Work

Posts: 4,307

Monday, February 27th 2012, 11:25pm

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Originally posted by Commodore Green

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Originally posted by eltf177
So Gibbs and Cox, unable to sell it to the Soviets, manage to convince the USN to build it!

And you have to wonder about the design philosophy that puts a couple of seaplane catapults on the stern of what is essentially an aircraft carrier.....

The USN carriers had hangar-deck cross-deck catapults for the same general concept; Launching and recovering scouts without disrupting flight deck operations.

Said operational concept was never really put into routine practice, tho.

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eltf177

Trainee

Posts: 157

Tuesday, February 28th 2012, 11:34am

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Originally posted by Commodore Green

And you have to wonder about the design philosophy that puts a couple of seaplane catapults on the stern of what is essentially an aircraft carrier.....

They were on the original design, and never made a whole lot of sense to me either. The only thing that made sense was this allowed you to launch search aircraft that didn't reduce the number of strike aircraft.

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The Rock Doctor

Old-School Heel

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Tuesday, February 28th 2012, 2:18pm

I must know more about this design...

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Brockpaine

The Shadow

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Tuesday, February 28th 2012, 3:25pm

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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
I must know more about this design...

Basically, it's a design that Gibbs and Cox pitched to the Soviets in the 1930s. The Soviets, showing unusual wisdom and intelligence for communists, declined, citing cost and the extremely poor probable results of mixing a battleship intended to be shot at with an explosive floating airfield.

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Rooijen10

Mr. Valentines Day

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Tuesday, February 28th 2012, 5:07pm

I guess Mexico would love to have a ship like that and I guess Iberia would love to shoot at it.

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ShinRa_Inc

Mad Scientist at Work

Posts: 4,307

Tuesday, February 28th 2012, 5:56pm

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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
I must know more about this design...

There are 3 or 4 designs of the concept floated, this one being the largest with 12 16" guns, 32 knots, and coming in around 74,000 tons.

I'm fairy sure there's discussion about it over on WPDB somewhere.

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eltf177

Trainee

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Tuesday, February 28th 2012, 8:36pm

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
I must know more about this design...

Basically, it's a design that Gibbs and Cox pitched to the Soviets in the 1930s. The Soviets, showing unusual wisdom and intelligence for communists, declined, citing cost and the extremely poor probable results of mixing a battleship intended to be shot at with an explosive floating airfield.

Another problem was that these designs were in violation of the Washington Tready as they vastly exceeded 35,000 tons. Thus the US government refused to allow such treaty breakers to be built.