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Saturday, December 17th 2011, 10:36pm

Chilean Destroyer Rebuilds

I've got two classes of destroyers, the Capitan Thompson class and the Almirante Lynch class, which are soon going to be the only unmodernized DDs in the fleet. As a result, I've started drawing up some refit plans for them.

The Capitan Thompsons are the tricky ones, as they've not got much room aboard for expansion. As a result, I am proposing two different ideas: a Partial Reconstruction to re-engine them and do other modernizing things, and a Total Reconstruction, which lengthens the ship with a 30-foot hull plug amidships.

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Capitan Thompson, Chilean Destroyer laid down 1932 (Engine 1942) - Partial Reconstruction

Displacement:
1,367 t light; 1,477 t standard; 1,701 t normal; 1,880 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
363.00 ft / 350.00 ft x 35.00 ft x 12.00 ft (normal load)
110.64 m / 106.68 m x 10.67 m x 3.66 m

Armament:
4 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns in single mounts, 67.03lbs / 30.40kg shells, 1932 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1942 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
8 - 1.10" / 27.9 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.67lbs / 0.30kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 289 lbs / 131 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 450
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.50" / 13 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -
2nd: 0.25" / 6 mm - -
3rd: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Conning tower: 0.50" / 13 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 32,315 shp / 24,107 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 403 tons

Complement:
132 - 172

Cost:
£0.831 million / $3.326 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 36 tons, 2.1 %
Armour: 11 tons, 0.6 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 9 tons, 0.5 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0.1 %
Machinery: 748 tons, 44.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 517 tons, 30.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 334 tons, 19.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 55 tons, 3.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
630 lbs / 286 Kg = 9.4 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.34
Metacentric height 1.7 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 11.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.405
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 24.62 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (11.00 ft / 3.35 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
- Stern: 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
- Average freeboard: 15.82 ft / 4.82 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 165.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 94.4 %
Waterplane Area: 7,849 Square feet or 729 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 83 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 162 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 2.33
- Overall: 0.58
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

342 tons each to rebuild


Quoted

Capitan Thompson, Chilean Destroyer laid down 1932 (Engine 1942)

Displacement:
1,496 t light; 1,609 t standard; 1,847 t normal; 2,037 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
393.00 ft / 380.00 ft x 35.00 ft x 12.00 ft (normal load)
119.79 m / 115.82 m x 10.67 m x 3.66 m

Armament:
4 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns in single mounts, 67.03lbs / 30.40kg shells, 1942 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1942 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
8 - 1.10" / 27.9 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.67lbs / 0.30kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 289 lbs / 131 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 450
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.50" / 13 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -
2nd: 0.25" / 6 mm - -
3rd: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Conning tower: 0.50" / 13 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 32,315 shp / 24,107 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 427 tons

Complement:
140 - 183

Cost:
£0.873 million / $3.494 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 36 tons, 2.0 %
Armour: 11 tons, 0.6 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 9 tons, 0.5 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0.1 %
Machinery: 782 tons, 42.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 553 tons, 29.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 350 tons, 19.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 115 tons, 6.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
700 lbs / 317 Kg = 10.4 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
Metacentric height 1.7 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 11.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.26
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.405
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.86 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.38 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 24.62 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (11.00 ft / 3.35 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
- Stern: 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
- Average freeboard: 15.82 ft / 4.82 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 161.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102.9 %
Waterplane Area: 8,522 Square feet or 792 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 159 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.95
- Overall: 0.57
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Saturday, December 17th 2011, 10:43pm

And the Lynch class.

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Almirante Lynch, Chilean Destroyer laid down 1932 (Engine 1942)

Displacement:
1,948 t light; 2,124 t standard; 2,450 t normal; 2,711 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
392.00 ft / 384.00 ft x 37.00 ft x 14.00 ft (normal load)
119.48 m / 117.04 m x 11.28 m x 4.27 m

Armament:
8 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (4x2 guns), 67.03lbs / 30.41kg shells, 1942 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1942 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
8 - 1.10" / 27.9 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.67lbs / 0.30kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 557 lbs / 253 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 400
10 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -
2nd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Conning tower: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 39,597 shp / 29,539 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 7,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 587 tons

Complement:
173 - 226

Cost:
£1.199 million / $4.797 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 70 tons, 2.8 %
Armour: 24 tons, 1.0 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 20 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 4 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 980 tons, 40.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 799 tons, 32.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 502 tons, 20.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 3.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
936 lbs / 424 Kg = 14.0 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 12.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.87
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak, low quarterdeck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.431
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.38 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19.99 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m before break)
- Stern: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 17.56 ft / 5.35 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 157.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 93.8 %
Waterplane Area: 9,272 Square feet or 861 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 90 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 41 lbs/sq ft or 200 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 2.58
- Overall: 0.59
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

487 tons each to rebuild

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Sunday, December 18th 2011, 1:21am

Seems like a lot of work for some miscellaneous weight.

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Sunday, December 18th 2011, 2:20am

Not when the miscellaneous weight covers the addition of radar, Colocolo, modern sonar, and an updated fire-control suite. The upgrade of the guns (Chile no longer uses 37mm guns) is also vital; and most vital of all, raising the ammunition stocks to tolerable levels.

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Sunday, December 18th 2011, 11:43am

I agree with Rocky. It's too much work just to get some modern equipment aboard. It would be better to accept serious limitations with them and plan ahead for some replacement newbuild ships.
I face a similar problem with the Mendoza Class but I'm limiting my work on them to a few minor adjustments. Remember second-tier navies have to make do with what they've got and make the best of what they have.

You could ditch X mount off the Lynch, that would free some weight up and some topweight.

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Sunday, December 18th 2011, 10:04pm

Well, these rebuilds don't even get as much of the "modern equipment" aboard as I want. I might consider removing a few guns, though; it might get me enough room to get all of the really vital stuff aboard, which I don't think is going to happen even with the major reconstructions...

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Sunday, December 18th 2011, 10:25pm

Additional sensors and kit being added to historical destroyers resulted in the same issues. Personally I'd think that landing one or two mountings from the Alm Lynch Class would likely be necessary given the large AA and torpedo armament as well. It's a Fletcher-sized destroyer with a lot more stuff shoehorned into it; just because SS says it's technically possible on weight grounds doesn't mean it's a realistic option. I would think that removal of an aft 130mm mounting and a set of torpedo tubes would nicely free up topweight and space for the additional light AA and bits.