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To have an overseas gunboat wouldn't one need someplace overseas to put it?

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Originally posted by TheCanadian
To have an overseas gunboat wouldn't one need someplace overseas to put it?

That is a reasonable presumption.

*Checks map*

Now unless I am going blind, I don't think Germany has any overseas possessions that I can see. So perhaps I am missing something but one wonders where Germany plans on stationing an overseas vessel if Germany has no overseas possessions?

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Originally posted by TheCanadian
*Checks map*

Now unless I am going blind, I don't think Germany has any overseas possessions that I can see. So perhaps I am missing something but one wonders where Germany plans on stationing an overseas vessel if Germany has no overseas possessions?

We plan for all eventualities. This is one option under consideration by the KM staff. Whether the Reichstag approves it in the budget will be a question for the future.

I think on top-secret german colonization plans

But ... nice little usefull vessel

Something like this ???

Not a bad looking design, though the Typ 1943 has a far different armament layout. May I ask where you found the drawing?

Sure you can ask .... but if you will get an answer is another thing

I hope your german is good enough to read it

http://www.nexusboard.net/sitemap/6365/der-z-plan-t231774/

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Originally posted by parador
Sure you can ask .... but if you will get an answer is another thing

I hope your german is good enough to read it

http://www.nexusboard.net/sitemap/6365/der-z-plan-t231774/

Jawohl mein Herr.

And when it fails there is always Babelfish and Google translate. Thanks for the link; it appears very interesting.

Gern geschehen

Yes very interesting background, but sometimes it doesn't look very serious.

The firm of Deschimag has put forward its own proposal for a vessel for overseas service in the tropics.



Deschimag Export Design K, German - Export Account Colonial Service Ship laid down 1943

Displacement: 1,705 t light; 1,845 t standard; 2,617 t normal; 3,236 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught

315.72 ft / 303.48 ft x 40.35 ft x 13.12 ft (normal load) [96.23 m / 92.50 m x 12.30 m x 4.00 m]

Armament:

4 - 5.04" / 128 mm guns (2x2 guns), 63.99lbs / 29.02kg shells, 1943 Model Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1938 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 260 lbs / 118 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 600

Armour:

Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.98" / 25 mm 0.98" / 25 mm
2nd: 0.39" / 10 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -
3rd: 0.20" / 5 mm - -

Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:

Diesel Internal combustion motors, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 11,503 shp / 8,581 Kw = 22.00 kts
Range 14,600nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,391 tons

Complement: 182 - 237

Cost: £0.841 million / $3.366 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:

Armament: 33 tons, 1.2 %
Armour: 23 tons, 0.9 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 15 tons, 0.6 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 8 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 297 tons, 11.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 802 tons, 30.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 913 tons, 34.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 550 tons, 21.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 4,133 lbs / 1,875 Kg = 64.6 x 5.0 " / 128 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 13.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.22
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:

Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0.570
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.52 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.42 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4.10 ft / 1.25 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 14.11 ft / 4.30 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 13.62 ft / 4.15 m (12.80 ft / 3.90 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 12.30 ft / 3.75 m
- Quarterdeck (40 %): 12.30 ft / 3.75 m
- Stern: 12.80 ft / 3.90 m
- Average freeboard: 12.78 ft / 3.89 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:

Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.8 %
Waterplane Area: 8,709 Square feet or 809 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 183 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 59 lbs/sq ft or 290 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.85
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

Breakdown of Miscellaneous Weight

Accommodation for reinforced naval rifle company - 150 men - 300 tons
Recreational spaces - 50 tons
Expanded infirmary and medical facilities - 50 tons
Command and communications facilities - 50 tons
Radar suite - 20 tons
Provision for habitability in the tropics - air conditioning, ventilation, ice-making equipment etc - 50 tons
Reserved for future growth - 30 tons

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Provision for habitability in the tropics - air conditioning, ventilation, ice-making equipment etc - 50 tons

Ice cubes for the captain's drinks?

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Originally posted by Rooijen10

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Provision for habitability in the tropics - air conditioning, ventilation, ice-making equipment etc - 50 tons

Ice cubes for the captain's drinks?

Why not? This is an export design. There are navies in the world where such luxuries are allowed - hence the etcetera.

Interesting design. Nice work on the drawing.

I love it ..... i will have it ....

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Interesting design. Nice work on the drawing.

Thank you! I modified the position of the foremast and the superstructure, and found slightly smaller gun turrets (the original ones looked more like 15cm guns rather than 12.8cm). I chose to ditch the torpedo tubes - I could see no way that they would train out.

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Originally posted by parador
I love it ..... i will have it ....

As they used to say when I was younger,


[SIZE=3]"Make love, not war". [/SIZE]

No sales to belligerents...

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan

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Originally posted by parador
I love it ..... i will have it ....

As they used to say when I was younger,


[SIZE=3]"Make love, not war". [/SIZE]

No sales to belligerents...

Sure but your design is from 1943 ... so two years in the future of the sino-fiilipino war. Do you really think the war will still be there ????

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Originally posted by parador

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan

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Originally posted by parador
I love it ..... i will have it ....

As they used to say when I was younger,


[SIZE=3]"Make love, not war". [/SIZE]

No sales to belligerents...

Sure but your design is from 1943 ... so two years in the future of the sino-fiilipino war. Do you really think the war will still be there ????

I'm afraid that you'll have to tell me. I am not a gypsy fortune teller.

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan

I'm afraid that you'll have to tell me. I am not a gypsy fortune teller.

NOT ???? Damned !!! I thought you are one so I have to look in the coffee grounds