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The Philippine Navy today annouced its "Fleet Plan 1940"

According to the plan, the major units of the Marina de Filipina 16 years from now will consist of:

2 aircraft carriers (CV-1 class)

3 battleships (B-5 class)
2 'pocket battleships' (B-3 class)

3 battlecruisers (Improved Basilan-class)

1 coast defense battleship (CDA-1 class)

4 heavy cruisers (C-6 class)
12 light cruisers (4 Palawan-class, 1 Cíudad Rodrigo-class, 7 CL-6 class)

20 destroyers (4 I-1 class, 7 F-1 class, 4 D-10 class, rest TBD)

5 submarines (1 S-1 class, rest TBD)

Even Stalin only went for 5-year plans. Isn't 16-years maybe just a bit too long?

Also for a balanced fleet of ships look at the ratio 1:3:5

i.e. 1 capital ship:3 cruisers:5 destroyers

You fleet seems to be rather light on destroyers. It'll also be interesting to see what your CV looks like, and all the other ships as well.

An ambitious plan, indeed. Even for 16 long years it seems quite a lot for the Filipinos economy. Let´s see if they can pay for it. :o)

I agree with RA on DDs, btw, even though 1-2-4 could also do the trick for a smaller navy.

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Even Stalin only went for 5-year plans. Isn't 16-years maybe just a bit too long?

Perhaps it has something to do with the strength of the Philippine industry. It's not something you should compare with the Russian industry.

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Also for a balanced fleet of ships look at the ratio 1:3:5

i.e. 1 capital ship:3 cruisers:5 destroyers

Never realized that. Good to know.
Japan => 1:3:24.5
Maybe I should take it easy with the DDs...

Unless my math is wrong (and it probably is ), 1-3-5 translates to 4-12-20. So at 5-19-25, the Filipinos will be cruiser-heavy.

I've made a list of "projected" keel-laying dates (actually more like "not-sooner-than" dates, depending on slip avaiability) for CLs and up through Q4/33, but the DDs are only planned in detail through Q4/26 - afterwards they will be built on a "space-available" basis, so there may be more DDs than that. (Somehow I think more than 5 will be built between Q1/27 and Q4/39, but I decided to be conservative.)

EDIT:

*slaps forehead* That's 5-19-20, not 25. The 10 R-1-class torpedo boats are pretty close to being small DDs, though.

One other note, there were originally supposed to be 3 CDAs, but it was decided to change the order so the last two would be pocket battleships.

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Unless my math is wrong (and it probably is ), 1-3-5 translates to 4-12-20. So at 5-19-25, the Filipinos will be cruiser-heavy.

Well, it clearly depends on which category you put your ships in.
If I read it correctly, you have for the capital ships your battleships and pocket battleships, for the cruisers your battlecruisers, heavy and light cruisers, and for the destroyers your destroyers and submarines. That would indeed give you a 5-19-25 ratio.
However someone else might think differently and put the BCs in the capital ship group rather than the cruiser group and only use the DDs for the Destroyer group.

My edit above crossed with your post. The DD category is DDs only, I mis-counted.

The BCs are indeed lumped with the 'regular' cruisers, as the Basilans are rather small for BCs.

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Japan => 1:3:24.5
Maybe I should take it easy with the DDs...

However, most of your destroyers are small type 3 (>600t) vessels that couldn't really stand up to 1,500t or 2,000t ships that other powers possess.

True, but a destroyer is a destroyer, wether it is a 500 ton destroyer with peashooters or a 1500 ton Treaty destroyer. At least, that is how I look at it.

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Originally posted by Swamphen
but the DDs are only planned in detail through Q4/26 - afterwards they will be built on a "space-available" basis, so there may be more DDs than that. (Somehow I think more than 5 will be built between Q1/27 and Q4/39, but I decided to be conservative.)

There´s one point I´d like to put my fingers on:

Ships age, their combat status declines and especially those you currently have in commission aren´t at 100%. That´s a problem we all face.

In the infrastructure rules you can read:
"2.2.2 Refits:

Any ship ages. Its combat ability degrades and time and technology advances. For each year over 15 that a ship has not been refitted, it suffers a 5% penalty to its combat performance. Note that a ship may be refitted at any time, subject to any relevant naval treaty restrictions."

So that´s 1% every 3 years. Not very much but after 15 years your ships have to be rated as lightly damaged.

Realistically ship conditions will declines much faster and every accident, collision etc. has its influence on your ships status. The rate (of realism) is up to each player of course as we have no rules for it (depends on storylines etc. for which you can´t make rules).

Keep this in mind. Go through your ship list and define the condition of each vessel and work from there.

It will have much influence on your calculations when it comes down to how much material and what docks have to be used to keep your ships running. Block obsolecence also matters...

You´ll be forced to spend some effort into modernisizing old sloops, cruisers and battlecruisers. And the more stuff you have...it´ll be a nightmare! ;o)

Regards,

HoOmAn

I'd be very surprised if that plan is really completed in that time, given the needs for refits, rebuilds, expanding infrastructures, etc...

The industry of Phillipines comprises 11 factories...Netherlands has 14 and I'm finding it hard to do a properly planned fleet expansion project with the limited resources available...

If you achieve it (and I guess you have it well planed so I don't doubt you'll do it) I'll be impressed, because is no easy management feat to complete such an ambitious plan .

Philippines Navy Order of Battle and Projections- 1 January 1924
CL and up projected through Q4/33
DD, SS and PB projected through Q4/26

This projection assumes that slipway space and materials will be available; therefore "projected" dates are actually "no-earlier-than" dates.

Aircraft Carriers
PRS CV-1 - projected Q1/33

Battleships
PRS B-3 - projected Q1/28
PRS B-4 - projected Q1/29
PRS B-5 - projected Q2/32
PRS B-6 - projected Q2/33

Battlecruisers
PRS Basilan (C-3) - under construction, completes Q3/25
PRS C-4 - projected Q2/25
PRS C-5 - projected Q3/26

Pre-dreadnought Battleships
PRS Manila (B-1) 1899, refit 1913 - to be scrapped Q1/28
PRS Angeles (B-2) 1900, refit 1915 - to be scrapped Q1/30

Coast Defense Armourclad
PRS CDA-1 - projected Q1/25
two additional ships cancelled

Armoured Cruisers/Heavy Cruisers
PRS Luzon (C-1) - 1902, refit 1923 - to be scrapped Q4/32
PRS Mindoro (C-2) - 1904 - to be scrapped Q3/25
PRS C-6 - projected Q4/30
PRS C-7 - projected Q4/31
PRS C-8 - projected Q4/32
PFS C-9 - projected Q4/33
(* - 20% combat performance penalty on Mindoro)

Light Cruisers
PRS Palawan (CL-1) - 1917, rebuilt 1919
PRS Leyte (CL-2) - completes Q1/24
PRS Panay (CL-3) - completes Q1/24
PRS Mindanao (CL-4) - completes Q1/24
PRS Cíudad Rodrigo (CL-5) - 1913, acquired from Italy Q1/24; to refit '28
PRS CL-6 - projected Q1/27
PRS CL-7 - projected Q3/27
PRS CL-8 - projected Q1/28
PRS CL-9 - projected Q3/28
PRS CL-10 - projected Q1/29
PRS CL-11 - projected Q3/29
PRS CL-12 - projected Q1/30

Destroyers
PRS D-1 - 1906, refit 1923 - to be scrapped c.1935
PRS D-2 - 1906, refit 1923 - to be scrapped c.1935
PRS D-7 - 1910 - to be scrapped Q3/24
PRS D-8 - 1911 - to be scrapped Q4/24
PRS I-1 - 1912, acquired from Italy Q1/24 (ex-Indomito); to refit '27
PRS I-2 - 1912, acquired from Italy Q1/24 (ex-Impavido); to refit '27
PRS I-3 - 1912, acquired from Italy Q1/24 (ex-Insidioso); to refit '27
PRS I-4 - 1912, acquired from Italy Q1/24 (ex-Irrequieto); to refit '27
PRS F-1 - completes Q1/24
PRS F-2 - completes Q3/24
PRS F-3 - completes Q4/24
PRS F-4 - begins construction Q1/24
PRS F-5 - begins construction Q2/24
PRS F-6 - projected Q3/24
PRS F-7 - projected Q4/24
PRS D-10 - projected Q2/25
PRS D-11 - projected Q4/25
PRS D-12 - projected Q2/26
PRS D-13 - projected Q4/26

Submarines
PRS S-1 - under construction, completes Q4/24
None projected through Q4/26

Torpedo Boats
PRS R-1 - 1922
PRS R-2 - 1922
PRS R-3 - 1922
PRS R-4 - 1922
PRS R-5 - 1922
PRS R-6 - 1922
PRS R-7 - 1922
PRS R-8 - 1923
PRS R-9 - 1923
PRS R-10 - 1923
PRS T-1 - completes Q1/24
PRS T-2 - completes Q1/24
PRS T-3 - completes Q1/24
projected: to be built as time and space permit

Patrol Boats
PRS P-1 - under construction, completes Q4/24
PRS P-2 - begins construction Q2/24
PRS P-3 - projected Q1/25
PRS P-4 - projected Q3/25
PRS P-5 - projected Q1/26
PRS P-6 - projected Q3/26

Minesweepers
PRS MSC-1 - 1923
PRS MSC-2 - 1923
PRS MSC-3 - under construction; completes Q1/24
PRS MSC-4 - to be built Q1/24
PRS MSC-5 - to be built Q2/24
PRS MSC-6 - to be built Q2/24
PRS MSC-7 - to be built Q2/24

Minelayers
PRS ML-1 - to be built Q1/24

Oilers
PRS O-1 - being built in Italy starting Q2/24

The Royal South African Navy is about 2.5 times your navy´s size ... and that would also be impressive to achieve for her.

Well, actually planning for the RSAN looks similar but as I said: tough nut to crack. We´ll see what future brings. Planning is one thing. Making a plan come reality is a different thing...

Interesting plan however, keep em coming.

There's no harm in having a long-term plan, so long as you're willing to fine-tune it to fit reality.

India intends to be up to its treaty limits in critical categories by 1936, though whether this is possible remains to be seen. It does mean that I'm not going to be spending a dollar on coastal defence vessels until I'm up to snuff on my BB, CV, and cruiser allotments...

J

Well in comparison Atlantis has a twelve year plan roughly fleshed out using a list of requirments and available tonnage in each ship catigory. That being said things can change over time to respond to any current trends in the naval world. Realistically 5 years would be the longest period that I could make solid plans.