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The following are my attempts to replicate some of Alt_Naval's SS3 designs in SS2.

1st up are the Lysandros Class Battleships. To keep light weight at 37,000t and meet SS2's belt length required I had to thin the main belt 1", shorten it's height 1', shorten the end belt 2' and the upper belt 4'. I also had to thin the deck 0.2", the TDS 0.5", and the turret other 2". Here is the kicker though, due to the way Alt_Naval laid out the ships freeboard technically the 2 triple turrets are both AFT of the "Mid-Break" and on deck level (therefore not superfiring) and the twin is on the foredeck between the mid break and the forecastle. If it is decided that, even though it is technically correct as is, the "B" turret needs to be 'superfiring' it will probably require dropping speed to make up the difference in hull strength.

Original is here: http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/misc.php?acti…stid=67166&sid=

RHN Lysandros, Greek Battleship laid down 1936

Displacement:
37,000 t light; 38,690 t standard; 42,073 t normal; 44,780 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
730.40 ft / 720.00 ft x 107.50 ft x 31.47 ft (normal load)
222.63 m / 219.46 m x 32.77 m x 9.59 m

Armament:
8 - 16.00" / 406 mm guns (3 mounts), 2,200.00lbs / 997.90kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, evenly spread
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 114.33lbs / 51.86kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
2 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 114.33lbs / 51.86kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
36 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (18x2 guns), 2.07lbs / 0.94kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
36 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (18x2 guns), 0.27lbs / 0.12kg shells, 1936 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 18,828 lbs / 8,540 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 80

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 432.00 ft / 131.67 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: 2.00" / 51 mm 206.00 ft / 62.79 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
82.00 ft / 24.99 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 2.00" / 51 mm 432.00 ft / 131.67 m 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2.50" / 64 mm 432.00 ft / 131.67 m 30.63 ft / 9.34 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 3.00" / 76 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
3rd: 3.00" / 76 mm 3.00" / 76 mm 6.00" / 152 mm

- Armour deck: 5.00" / 127 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 164,000 shp / 122,344 Kw = 30.07 kts
Range 10,000nm at 16.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 6,090 tons

Complement:
1,468 - 1,909

Cost:
£19.938 million / $79.750 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,193 tons, 5.2 %
Armour: 13,864 tons, 33.0 %
- Belts: 3,715 tons, 8.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,224 tons, 2.9 %
- Armament: 3,510 tons, 8.3 %
- Armour Deck: 5,259 tons, 12.5 %
- Conning Tower: 156 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 4,602 tons, 10.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,192 tons, 38.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,073 tons, 12.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
57,463 lbs / 26,065 Kg = 28.1 x 16.0 " / 406 mm shells or 8.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 6.6 ft / 2.0 m
Roll period: 17.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.68
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise aft of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.605
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.70 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.83 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 32.00 ft / 9.75 m
- Forecastle (27 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Mid (36 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (29.00 ft / 8.84 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (22 %): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Stern: 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Average freeboard: 24.13 ft / 7.36 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 184.6 %
Waterplane Area: 56,850 Square feet or 5,282 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 205 lbs/sq ft or 1,001 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.55
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Next up are the Kondouriotis class DDs. These only needed the belt (WTF is a belt on a DD anyway?) thinned by 0.25"

Original (2nd design): http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/misc.php?acti…tid=105957&sid=

RHN D-29 Kondouriotis Class, Greek Destroyer laid down 1925

Displacement:
1,365 t light; 1,408 t standard; 1,461 t normal; 1,504 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
324.99 ft / 320.00 ft x 31.00 ft x 11.10 ft (normal load)
99.06 m / 97.54 m x 9.45 m x 3.38 m

Armament:
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 66.46lbs / 30.15kg shells, 1925 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
1 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.27lbs / 14.64kg shells, 1925 Model
Anti-aircraft gun in deck mount
on centreline amidships, 1 raised gun
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.27lbs / 0.12kg shells, 1925 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 300 lbs / 136 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 80
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 0.75" / 19 mm 220.00 ft / 67.06 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.75" / 19 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 43,790 shp / 32,667 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 1,300nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 96 tons

Complement:
117 - 153

Cost:
£0.625 million / $2.498 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 35 tons, 2.4 %
Armour: 63 tons, 4.3 %
- Belts: 54 tons, 3.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 8 tons, 0.6 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 809 tons, 55.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 407 tons, 27.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 96 tons, 6.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 3.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
326 lbs / 148 Kg = 5.2 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.42
Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 10.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 37 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.56

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.464
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.32 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.89 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 72 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Mid (42 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m (10.00 ft / 3.05 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Stern: 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Average freeboard: 13.48 ft / 4.11 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 200.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 79.6 %
Waterplane Area: 6,404 Square feet or 595 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 45 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 32 lbs/sq ft or 157 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.87
- Overall: 0.57
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is extremely poor
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

Here are the Makriyannis class Destroyers. Required changes included the same thinning of the belt by 0.25" as they are almost identical to the Kondouriotis class.

Original (3rd design): http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/misc.php?acti…tid=105957&sid=


RHN D-33 Makriyannis Class, Greek Destroyer laid down 1927

Displacement:
1,364 t light; 1,409 t standard; 1,461 t normal; 1,503 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
324.99 ft / 320.00 ft x 31.00 ft x 11.10 ft (normal load)
99.06 m / 97.54 m x 9.45 m x 3.38 m

Armament:
5 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 66.46lbs / 30.15kg shells, 1927 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts
2 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1.87lbs / 0.85kg shells, 1927 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.27lbs / 0.12kg shells, 1927 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 338 lbs / 153 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 80
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 0.75" / 19 mm 220.00 ft / 67.06 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.75" / 19 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 43,777 shp / 32,657 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 1,300nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 94 tons

Complement:
117 - 153

Cost:
£0.699 million / $2.797 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 40 tons, 2.7 %
Armour: 65 tons, 4.4 %
- Belts: 54 tons, 3.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 11 tons, 0.7 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 794 tons, 54.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 416 tons, 28.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 97 tons, 6.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 3.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
333 lbs / 151 Kg = 5.3 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.43
Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 10.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 36 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.53

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.464
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.32 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.89 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 72 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Mid (42 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m (10.00 ft / 3.05 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Stern: 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Average freeboard: 13.48 ft / 4.11 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 198.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 79.6 %
Waterplane Area: 6,404 Square feet or 595 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 46 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 161 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.90
- Overall: 0.57
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

Next are the Deliyannis class Destroyers. These also required the thinning of the belt by 0.25", but also required the lowing of the speed by 0.5kts.

Original (2nd design): http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/misc.php?acti…tid=105958&sid=


RHN D-45 Deliyannis Class, Greek Destroyer laid down 1932

Displacement:
1,395 t light; 1,446 t standard; 1,517 t normal; 1,573 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
326.82 ft / 320.00 ft x 32.00 ft x 12.40 ft (normal load)
99.62 m / 97.54 m x 9.75 m x 3.78 m

Armament:
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 59.90lbs / 27.17kg shells, 1932 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 2.14lbs / 0.97kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.27lbs / 0.12kg shells, 1932 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 250 lbs / 114 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 0.75" / 19 mm 200.00 ft / 60.96 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.50" / 13 mm - 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 43,316 shp / 32,313 Kw = 35.50 kts
Range 2,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 127 tons

Complement:
120 - 157

Cost:
£0.863 million / $3.454 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 32 tons, 2.1 %
Armour: 57 tons, 3.7 %
- Belts: 50 tons, 3.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 7 tons, 0.5 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 813 tons, 53.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 462 tons, 30.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 122 tons, 8.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 2.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
355 lbs / 161 Kg = 5.7 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
Roll period: 11.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 33 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.44

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.418
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.63 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 72 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m
- Mid (42 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m (10.00 ft / 3.05 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Stern: 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Average freeboard: 13.77 ft / 4.20 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 191.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 64.4 %
Waterplane Area: 6,619 Square feet or 615 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 52 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 36 lbs/sq ft or 174 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 2.07
- Overall: 0.57
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

The Akhilleus destroyers (converted from frigates) actually required no changes, they just come out a little worse off.

Original (3rd Design): http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/misc.php?acti…tid=105958&sid=


RHN Akhilleus, Greek Destroyer laid down 1925 (Engine 1934)

Displacement:
2,031 t light; 2,091 t standard; 2,251 t normal; 2,379 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
357.47 ft / 350.00 ft x 38.30 ft x 12.00 ft (normal load)
108.96 m / 106.68 m x 11.67 m x 3.66 m

Armament:
2 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (1x2 guns), 59.90lbs / 27.17kg shells, 1934 Model
Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
on centreline forward
2 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 59.90lbs / 27.17kg shells, 1934 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 2.07lbs / 0.94kg shells, 1934 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.07lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1934 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 248 lbs / 113 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 0.75" / 19 mm 225.00 ft / 68.58 m 7.40 ft / 2.26 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
2nd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 53,342 shp / 39,793 Kw = 33.50 kts
Range 3,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 287 tons

Complement:
163 - 212

Cost:
£0.880 million / $3.521 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 32 tons, 1.4 %
Armour: 60 tons, 2.7 %
- Belts: 52 tons, 2.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 8 tons, 0.3 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 1,220 tons, 54.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 689 tons, 30.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 220 tons, 9.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 1.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
615 lbs / 279 Kg = 9.8 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
Metacentric height 1.7 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 12.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.71

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.490
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.14 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.71 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 71 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 77
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (42 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (11.00 ft / 3.35 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
- Stern: 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
- Average freeboard: 14.96 ft / 4.56 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 187.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 88.1 %
Waterplane Area: 8,849 Square feet or 822 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 66 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 44 lbs/sq ft or 216 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.59
- Longitudinal: 1.75
- Overall: 0.66
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

The Nestor class also did not need adjustments, and like the Akhilleus, just come out a little worse.

Original (4th design): http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/misc.php?acti…tid=105958&sid=

RHN Nestor, Greek Destroyer laid down 1925 (Engine 1935)

Displacement:
2,026 t light; 2,089 t standard; 2,247 t normal; 2,373 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
357.47 ft / 350.00 ft x 38.30 ft x 12.00 ft (normal load)
108.96 m / 106.68 m x 11.67 m x 3.66 m

Armament:
5 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 59.90lbs / 27.17kg shells, 1934 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.87lbs / 0.85kg shells, 1934 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.27lbs / 0.12kg shells, 1934 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 309 lbs / 140 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 0.75" / 19 mm 225.00 ft / 68.58 m 7.40 ft / 2.26 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm - 2.00" / 51 mm
2nd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 56,812 shp / 42,381 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 3,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 284 tons

Complement:
163 - 212

Cost:
£0.907 million / $3.626 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 40 tons, 1.8 %
Armour: 69 tons, 3.1 %
- Belts: 52 tons, 2.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 16 tons, 0.7 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 1,230 tons, 54.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 627 tons, 27.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 221 tons, 9.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 2.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
509 lbs / 231 Kg = 8.1 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 12.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.66

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.489
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.14 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.71 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 72 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 77
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (42 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (11.00 ft / 3.35 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
- Stern: 11.00 ft / 3.35 m
- Average freeboard: 14.96 ft / 4.56 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 192.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 88.0 %
Waterplane Area: 8,842 Square feet or 821 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 61 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 40 lbs/sq ft or 197 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.53
- Longitudinal: 1.50
- Overall: 0.59
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

The Herakles class also did not require any changes, and like the other Frigate conversions, is worse off in SS2 than SS3, but not much.

Original (6th Design): http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/misc.php?acti…tid=105958&sid=


RHN Herakles, Greek Destroyer laid down 1925 (Engine 1934)

Displacement:
2,068 t light; 2,131 t standard; 2,292 t normal; 2,421 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
357.38 ft / 350.00 ft x 38.30 ft x 12.30 ft (normal load)
108.93 m / 106.68 m x 11.67 m x 3.75 m

Armament:
6 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (3x2 guns), 59.90lbs / 27.17kg shells, 1934 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
1 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 59.90lbs / 27.17kg shells, 1934 Model
Dual purpose gun in a deck mount with hoist
on centreline forward, 1 raised gun
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 2.14lbs / 0.97kg shells, 1934 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.27lbs / 0.12kg shells, 1934 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 430 lbs / 195 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 67
4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 0.75" / 19 mm 225.00 ft / 68.58 m 7.40 ft / 2.26 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
2nd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 51,067 shp / 38,096 Kw = 33.10 kts
Range 3,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 290 tons

Complement:
165 - 215

Cost:
£0.927 million / $3.708 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 56 tons, 2.4 %
Armour: 69 tons, 3.0 %
- Belts: 52 tons, 2.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 16 tons, 0.7 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 1,171 tons, 51.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 742 tons, 32.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 224 tons, 9.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 1.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
624 lbs / 283 Kg = 10.0 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 13.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.67

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.487
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.14 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.71 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 71 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 77
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.70 ft / 6.92 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 19.70 ft / 6.00 m
- Mid (42 %): 19.70 ft / 6.00 m (10.70 ft / 3.26 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 10.70 ft / 3.26 m
- Stern: 10.70 ft / 3.26 m
- Average freeboard: 14.66 ft / 4.47 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 184.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.7 %
Waterplane Area: 8,824 Square feet or 820 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 66 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 48 lbs/sq ft or 236 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.61
- Longitudinal: 1.67
- Overall: 0.67
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

67... 70... 100 rounds per gun for dual-purpose five-inchers? Heavens, ten minutes shooting and they're out of ammo!

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
67... 70... 100 rounds per gun for dual-purpose five-inchers? Heavens, ten minutes shooting and they're out of ammo!

Totally agree, but that's what I have to work with.