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Royal Thai Navy OOB October 1st 1940

First Fleet (Headquarters and Main base at Sattahip/Bangkok)

• Capital Ships
o Aircraft Carrier TNS Sri Ayuthia (Flag)
o Light Battleship TNS Ayutthaya

• Cruisers
o TNS Bangkok (Maha Chakrkri class)
o TNS Sattahip (Maha Chakrkri class)
o TNS Chakri Nareubet (Chakri Nareubet class)

• Destroyers
o Six DD-11 (Chomburi) Class
o Five DD-1 (Ratanakosin) Class
o Four TB-1 (Surasdra) Class

• Coast Defense ships
o TNS Dhonburi (Dhonburi Class)
o TNS Ko Lan (Dhonburi Class)

• Motor Torpedo Boats
o Ten MTB-1 class
o Nine MTB-35
o Five MTB-24 class
o Ten MTB-11 class

• Submarines
o Six Perla Class

• Mine Warfare Ships
o Three ML-1937 Class
o Six MWS-1937 Class


Second Fleet (Headquarters and Main base at Phucket)

• Capital Ships
o Aircraft Carrier TNS Sukhothai (Flag)
o Light Battleship TNS Thonburi
o Light Battleship TNS Rattanakosin

• Cruisers
o TNS Maha Chakrkri (Maha Chakrkri class)
o TNS Phucket (Maha Chakrkri class)
o TNS Chakri (CLAA class) (On trials)

• Destroyers
o Six DD-11 (Chomburi) Class
o Five DD-1 (Ratanakosin) Class
o Nine TB-1 (Surasdra) Class

• Coast Defense ships
o TNS Ratanakosindra (Ratanakosindra Class)
o TNS Ko Si Chang (Ratanakosindra Class)
o TNS Ko Phai (Ko Phai Class)

• Motor Torpedo Boats
o Six MTB-24 class
o Fifty MTB-11 class

• Submarines
o Seven Perla Class
o Six J-class

• Mine Warfare Ships
o Four ML-1937 Class
o Six MWS-1937 Class

Thoughts?

I'll bite.

The Ko Phai as a coastal defense ship?

She makes less then 20knts, thats a CDS in my book

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Originally posted by TexanCowboy
I'll bite.

The Ko Phai as a coastal defense ship?

From the Cleito Treaty

IV. COAST-DEFENCE ARMOURCLAD

Surface vessels of war, other than capital ships, aircraft-carriers or cruisers, the standard displacement of which exceeds 1,500 (1,524 metric tons) tons and does not exceed 8,000 tons (8,128 metric tons), whose largest guns do not exceed the calibre of 12 inches (305 millimetres) in calibre, and which is not so
constructed or reconstructed that aircraft can land thereon, and which is not designed or rebuilt for a maximum speed in excess of 24 knots.

The Ko Phai meets three of the four parameters specified; it does exceed the tonnage limitation by a rather small margin, and, as the Cleito Treaty is no longer in force, I think the player is within his rights to define the vessel as a coast defense ship.

The Ko Phai practically defines the term "Coast Defense Ship."

More relevantly, Thailand (or Siam) was never a Cleito Signatory.

And without Cleito, anyone can classify their ships any way they want. Hell, they could do that under Cleito too, but the Cleito definitions are what applied to those limitations. Case in point, Canada's decision to use the term "Frigate" for it's 10-30k fast gunships.

Just asking....just seems odd that the Italian things would be classified as "Light Battleships" while the Ko Phai is a "CDS." I'd think that they were more similar then the Ko Phai and the Ratanakosindra...

The BBLs have more speed and IMO, are a bit more balanced for the purpose of an escort roll, hence the designation, tho CA would be equally valid if these ships were faster.