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[SIZE=4]Hanriot H.310[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]General Characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: one, pilot
Length: 11.52 m (37 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 15 m (49 ft 2 in)
Height: 5.16 m (16 ft 11 in)
Wing area: 35.32 m² (380.04 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,208 kg (13,657 lb)
Loaded weight: 7,600 kg (16,720 lb)
Powerplant: 2× supercharged Hispano-Suiza 12Z liquid-cooled V12 engines, 1,650 hp each

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 660 km/h (410 mph) at 6,400 m (20,990 ft)
Cruise speed: 500 km/h (308 mph)
Range: 2,200 km (1,367 mi)
Service ceiling: 9,500 m (31,168 ft)
Rate of climb: 3,850 ft/min (19.58 m/sec)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
- 4 × 20 mm fixed forward machine guns
- 2 × 250 kg bomb
- 8 × 130mm rockets

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[SIZE=4]Hanriot H.312 Night Fighter[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]General Characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: two (pilot, gunner)
Length: 11.52 m (37 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 15 m (49 ft 2 in)
Height: 5.16 m (16 ft 11 in)
Wing area: 35.32 m² (380.04 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,208 kg (13,657 lb)
Loaded weight: 7,600 kg (16,720 lb)
Powerplant: 2× supercharged Hispano-Suiza 12Z liquid-cooled V12 engines, 1,650 hp each

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 640 km/h (397 mph) at 6,400 m (20,990 ft)
Cruise speed: 500 km/h (308 mph)
Range: 2,000 km (1,242 mi)
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (32,808 ft)
Rate of climb: 3,850 ft/min (19.58 m/sec)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
- 4 × 20 mm in upward-firing turret

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- 2x20mm in nose
- 2x20mm in upward-firing installation

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Well, I went back and found the specs to the Wesworld versions of the D.XXIII and the Fw187, and I must say I'm a bit dismayed at how overpowered they seem to have ended up, especially for late 1930s designs. I guess Kirk's correct and I need to up my required specifications to account for where everyone else is.

Here's some specs for consideration. The design's about on par with the Fw187 and inferior to the D.XXIII, but I believe it's more realistic to the time period.

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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Well, I went back and found the specs to the Wesworld versions of the D.XXIII and the Fw187, and I must say I'm a bit dismayed at how overpowered they seem to have ended up, especially for late 1930s designs. I guess Kirk's correct and I need to up my required specifications to account for where everyone else is.

Here's some specs for consideration. The design's about on par with the Fw187 and inferior to the D.XXIII, but I believe it's more realistic to the time period.

Yes, right before I stopped trying to play the game of 'keeping up' things were getting a bit much- and as I recall I deliberately shortchanged the engine power the D.XXIII was using, which limits the performance. Still, both the FW-187 series and D.XXIII cleared review and made official storylines, so they seemed relevant.

I will point out that while the D.XXIII is years earlier than the Do335, it's a scaled up version of a real Fokker and I was working on it since the early 1930s, originally under the +5 rule. Then there was Foxy's version... Still, with better engines...

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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
The Hanriot H.310 also beats a plane I forgot about- my own G-1 series. The G-1C gets beat by it. Which is as it should be. The G-1C's next version would have been evolved to be more P-38ish.

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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
Engines : While the French used- and made better versions of Hispano-Suiza....in OTL....here relations between France and Iberia only improved recently. So it could be the historic engine, or you could rebrand.

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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
Yeah, I have a feeling many paid little attention to Dutch developments and even less to my Belgian efforts. Noted someone was using the D.XXI and mentioned the fixed landing gear- something I deleted in the wesworld version.

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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
On the engine- up to you. Until fairly recently Iberia wasn't particularly friendly towards France, so relying on an Iberian company for engines seems odd to me. That's all. No reason that during the non-friendliness the French couldn't have fostered their own domestic in-line engine company.

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[SIZE=4]Bloch MB.178-CN[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]MB.178 was a historical but never-completed aircraft with more powerful GR-14N radials. These specifications are based on previous versions but represent a fictional development of a night-fighter.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: Two (pilot, navigator/TD operator)
Length: 12.25 m (40 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 17.90 m (58 ft 9 in)
Height: 3.55 m (11 ft 8 in)
Wing area: 38 m² (409 ft²)
Empty weight: 5,700 kg (12,566 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 7,275 kg (16,039 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Gnome-Rhône 14N-20/21 14-cylinder radial engines, 1,103 kW (1,479.5 hp / 1,500cv) each

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 580 km/h (313 kn, 360 mph)
Range: 1,800 km (972 nmi, 1118 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,000 m (36,090 ft)
Rate of climb: 14 m/s (2,760 ft/min)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
- 2 × fixed, forward-firing 7.5 mm (.295 in) MAC 1934 machine guns in the wings
- 2 × 20 mm HS.404 cannons in upward-firing mount

[SIZE=3]Development Timeline[/SIZE]
- First Flight: Late 1939
- In Production: September 1940
- In Service: February 1941

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Proposed 1941 follow-on to the VG.39bis (uses the VG.60 label but is not the historical VG.60). Opinions, please?

[SIZE=4]Arsenal VG.60 Revenant ("Ghost") fighter[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Specifications[/SIZE]
Wingspan: 10.7 m (35.1 feet)
Length: 8.86 m (29 feet)
Height: 3.14 m (10.3 feet)
Wing Area: 18.8 m² (202.36 ft²)
Empty weight: 2445 kg (5,390 lbs)
Loaded Weight: 3274 kg (7,218 lbs)
Engine: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 12Z (1,650 hp takeoff)
Crew: 1 (pilot)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Max speed: 668 kph (415 mph)
Range: 994.5 km (618 miles)
Service ceiling: 11,650 m (38,221 ft)
Power to weight ratio: 0.228 hp/lb
Wingloading: 174 kg/m² / 35.7 lb/ft²
Rate of climb: 18.5 mps (1,115 fpm)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
- 2 × 20 mm HS.404 cannon in wings with 231 rounds each
- 1 × 20 mm HS.404 cannon in motorcannon mount or 2 × 7.5mm MGs in cowling

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
I could perhaps use 4x20mm HS404s, perhaps.

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[SIZE=4]Arsenal VG.60 Revenant ("Ghost") fighter[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Specifications[/SIZE]
Wingspan: 10.7 m (35.1 feet)
Length: 8.86 m (29 feet)
Height: 3.14 m (10.3 feet)
Wing Area: 18.8 m² (202.36 ft²)
Empty weight: 2445 kg (5,390 lbs)
Loaded Weight: 3274 kg (7,218 lbs)
Engine: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 12Z (1,650 hp takeoff)
Crew: 1 (pilot)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Max speed: 668 kph (415 mph)
Range: 994.5 km (618 miles)
Service ceiling: 11,650 m (38,221 ft)
Power to weight ratio: 0.228 hp/lb
Wingloading: 174 kg/m² / 35.7 lb/ft²
Rate of climb: 18.5 mps (1,115 fpm)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
- 4 × 20 mm HS.404 cannon in wings with 231 rounds each

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Originally posted by Red Admiral
I'd think that 3x20mm is more than sufficient for most purposes, especially with the centreline mounting and the HS404 being a fairly powerful 20mm weapon. The HS404 is rather heavy as well which might not be the best match for a small aircraft like the VG.60, especially with four in the wings. The engine mounting shouldn't need much additional strengthening.

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Originally posted by Red Admiral
What altitude is the maximum speed at?

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[SIZE=4]Arsenal VG.60 Revenant ("Ghost") fighter[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]Design and Development[/SIZE]
The Arsenal VG.60 was a clean-sheet design started in early 1937 to provide a potential follow-on aircraft for the VG.30 and its variants. While the "Thirty Series" saw mass production up until 1941, with the VG.39bis serving as the ultimate variant, the design was often critiqued particularly in comparison to other aircraft on the international scene. Arsenal's designers drew on their experiences both with the failed VB.10 and the more successful VG.30. One of the main concerns, as a result of difficulties with Thirty-Series, was designing the VG.60 for ease of mass-production at the new Arsenal factory under construction at Châtillon-sous-Bagneux, which was designed to produce five hundred aircraft per year. While this emphasis on ease of production drove much of the VG.60's design, a conscious effort was made to reduce unnecessary weight through use of materials such as duralumin; and improve performance with additions such as the Meredith radiators, similar to those used on the VG.30 series. The final aircraft featured a bubble canopy (as installed on the final VG.39bis models) for high pilot visibility, with a protective sheet of armour and armoured glass behind the pilot's seat.

[SIZE=3]Specifications[/SIZE]
Wingspan: 10.7 m (35.1 feet)
Length: 8.86 m (29 feet)
Height: 3.14 m (10.3 feet)
Wing Area: 18.8 m² (202.36 ft²)
Empty weight: 2445 kg (5,390 lbs)
Loaded Weight: 3274 kg (7,218 lbs)
Engine: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 12Z (1,650 hp takeoff)
Crew: 1 (pilot)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Max speed: 668 kph (415 mph) @ 7,000 meters
Range: 994.5 km (618 miles)
Service ceiling: 11,650 m (38,221 ft)
Power to weight ratio: 0.228 hp/lb
Wingloading: 174 kg/m² / 35.7 lb/ft²
Rate of climb: 18.5 mps (1,115 fpm)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
- 1 × 23 mm HS.406 motorcannon with 90 rounds
- 4 × 12.7mm Hotchkiss in wings with 300 rounds each or 2 × 20mm HS.404

[SIZE=3]Variants[/SIZE]
- VG.60: Initial production version armed with one HS.406 23mm cannon and four 12.7mm Hotchkiss machine guns.
- VG.61: Version produced concurrently to the VG.60, armed with three HS.404 20mm cannon; otherwise identical to the VG.60.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
As France historically worked to develop it, I would say the same. The 23mm version, according to the guesstimates I've been able to find, has a slight ROF improvement over the HS.404, and the 23mm round itself masses about 160% that of the HS.404's 20mm round.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
According to my information, that's pretty close. The 23mm round also used a longer cartridge case (23x112 as opposed to 20x110), the gun was belt-fed instead of drum-fed, and the various improvements they introduced were supposed to boost rate of fire to 750rpm.