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As it was recomended that I post some stuff here, I will put some designs I have worked on up for review.

Up first is a Fast Battleship that I was playing with for a while. It shows my fondness for odd things, like quads, lots of armor and lots of AA.

Defiance, Snipyards Battleship laid down 1940

Displacement:
25,363 t light; 27,182 t standard; 31,144 t normal; 34,313 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(625.00 ft / 610.00 ft) x 90.00 ft (Bulges 95.00 ft) x (30.00 / 32.58 ft)
(190.50 m / 185.93 m) x 27.43 m (Bulges 28.96 m) x (9.14 / 9.93 m)

Armament:
8 - 14.00" / 356 mm 50.0 cal guns - 1,452.45lbs / 658.82kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1940 Model
1 x Quad mount on centreline, forward deck forward
1 x Quad mount on centreline, aft deck aft
16 - 5.00" / 127 mm 40.0 cal guns - 59.90lbs / 27.17kg shells, 300 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1940 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, aft deck forward
2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
2 raised mounts - superfiring
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.97lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1,500 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1940 Model
8 x Twin mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
8 x Twin mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
40 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.25lbs / 0.11kg shells, 3,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1940 Model
10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
10 x Twin mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 12,651 lbs / 5,738 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 13.50 ft / 4.11 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 5.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
3.00" / 76 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 27.64 ft / 8.42 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 70.00 ft / 21.34 m

- Hull Bulges:
2.00" / 51 mm 422.50 ft / 128.78 m 26.74 ft / 8.15 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 15.0" / 381 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.75" / 19 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 5.50" / 140 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 14.00" / 356 mm, Aft 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 3 shafts, 82,000 shp / 61,172 Kw = 27.08 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 7,131 tons

Complement:
1,171 - 1,523

Cost:
£14.910 million / $59.640 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,404 tons, 7.7 %
- Guns: 2,404 tons, 7.7 %
Armour: 11,482 tons, 36.9 %
- Belts: 3,462 tons, 11.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,197 tons, 3.8 %
- Bulges: 836 tons, 2.6 %
- Armament: 2,029 tons, 6.5 %
- Armour Deck: 3,575 tons, 11.5 %
- Conning Towers: 384 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 2,193 tons, 7.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,684 tons, 27.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,781 tons, 18.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 600 tons, 1.9 %
- Hull below water: 100 tons
- Hull above water: 100 tons
- On freeboard deck: 200 tons
- Above deck: 200 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
45,928 lbs / 20,833 Kg = 33.5 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 8.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 17.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.59
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
an extended bulbous bow and large transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.627 / 0.636
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.42 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.83 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.48 ft / 0.45 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 29.00 ft / 8.84 m, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m, 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Average freeboard: 20.23 ft / 6.17 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133.8 %
Waterplane Area: 42,937 Square feet or 3,989 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 178 lbs/sq ft or 870 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.73
- Overall: 1.01
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Misc Weight: On deck for aviation facilities and Flag quarters. Above deck for fire controle for main and secondary guns. All hull for construction reserve and expantion

What do you guys think?

Quoted

16 - 5.00" / 127 mm 40.0 cal guns - 59.90lbs / 27.17kg shells, 300 per gun - Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1940 Model … 6 x Twin mounts on sides, aft deck forward, 2 raised mounts – superfiring, 4 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring

I'm not familiar with the idiocyncracies of Springsharp 3.0, but I'd read that as a total of ten twin mounts - ie 20 5-in DP.

Your chosen machinery layout is a bit advanced for the period, but not, I think, impossibly so.

opps, my bad. It was originally 20 5" DP guns. I changed the number but not the layout. It should be 4x2 guns in each group not 6x2 in the first one.

with the engines, I figured that the diesel were cruising engines with the turbines being for max speed scenarios. Similar to the plans for most of the German capital ships of the 40's IIRC. The elective drive is another personal quirk.

From what I remember, the German design layout had steam turbines for the main shafts and separate wing shafts for the diesel engines. Using electric motors might avoid the need for that. An interesting concept.

Im no wiz with internal layouts, but that was part of my thinking with that. The benefits of electric drives improved compartmentalization coupled with the potentially improved compartmentalization from a diesel/turbine setup could be quite robust. Not to mention the benefit of it being very hard to knock out any one shaft.

Hey snip....see you're enjoying not having to use SS2.

The 14'' quads should probebly be switched to "centerline ends, distributed". It's exactly the same thing as what you have posted, but much less complex.

Also, what's the point of having a transom stern at only 27 knots. Seems like a bit of a waste to me, escpically with that long range you have. In general transom sterns increase the power needed at low speeds and decrease the power needed at high speeds, so for general cruising use, this thing is losing a lot more fuel then it otherwise would, and isn't really gaining much in return.

I also have significant doubts that a quad 14'' could fit in a 90' beam. The KGV' had a 103' beam, and I'm not sure you can shoehorn that turret into 90'.

Not much point in having an aft conning tower, IMHO, I mean, I doubt the captains going to be in the aft part of the ship during a battle, and 4'' won't stop much....

That's all I see for now....welcome aboard, snip.

wait till you see what I got cooking now tex, its bigger, faster, stronger. And no, its not a turkey

And here it is, A fully Second London naval treaty escalator clause compliant Fast Battleship.

The 8x16" variant:
Oregon, Snipyards USA Style Fast Battleship laid down 1940

Displacement:
42,348 t light; 45,000 t standard; 49,814 t normal; 53,665 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(870.00 ft / 850.00 ft) x 100.00 ft (Bulges 110.00 ft) x (27.00 / 29.00 ft)
(265.18 m / 259.08 m) x 30.48 m (Bulges 33.53 m) x (8.23 / 8.84 m)

Armament:
8 - 16.00" / 406 mm 50.0 cal guns - 2,168.09lbs / 983.43kg shells, 120 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1940 Model
4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
20 - 5.00" / 127 mm 38.0 cal guns - 60.01lbs / 27.22kg shells, 300 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1940 Model
10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 2.01lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1,500 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1940 Model
10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
60 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.25lbs / 0.11kg shells, 30,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1940 Model
12 x Triple mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
5 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 18,624 lbs / 8,448 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 536.25 ft / 163.45 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 10.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
4.00" / 102 mm 536.25 ft / 163.45 m 24.19 ft / 7.37 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 90.00 ft / 27.43 m

- Hull Bulges:
2.00" / 51 mm 600.00 ft / 182.88 m 24.00 ft / 7.32 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 14.0" / 356 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
4th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 5.00" / 127 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 15.00" / 381 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 155,002 shp / 115,632 Kw = 29.12 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,665 tons

Complement:
1,666 - 2,167

Cost:
£23.763 million / $95.053 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,374 tons, 6.8 %
- Guns: 3,374 tons, 6.8 %
Armour: 16,559 tons, 33.2 %
- Belts: 4,114 tons, 8.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,920 tons, 3.9 %
- Bulges: 1,066 tons, 2.1 %
- Armament: 3,913 tons, 7.9 %
- Armour Deck: 5,109 tons, 10.3 %
- Conning Tower: 438 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 4,144 tons, 8.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17,820 tons, 35.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,466 tons, 15.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 0.9 %
- Hull below water: 50 tons
- Hull above water: 50 tons
- On freeboard deck: 200 tons
- Above deck: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
77,263 lbs / 35,046 Kg = 37.7 x 16.0 " / 406 mm shells or 13.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 19.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.06

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a straight bulbous bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.691 / 0.693
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.73 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.15 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.10 ft / 0.64 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 31.00 ft / 9.45 m, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m, 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 22.00 ft / 6.71 m, 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 22.48 ft / 6.85 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 70.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 175.3 %
Waterplane Area: 67,560 Square feet or 6,277 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 223 lbs/sq ft or 1,089 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.11
- Longitudinal: 0.97
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


The 12x14" variant:
Oregon, Snipyards USA Style Fast Battleship laid down 1940

Displacement:
42,438 t light; 45,000 t standard; 49,814 t normal; 53,665 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(870.00 ft / 850.00 ft) x 100.00 ft (Bulges 110.00 ft) x (27.00 / 29.00 ft)
(265.18 m / 259.08 m) x 30.48 m (Bulges 33.53 m) x (8.23 / 8.84 m)

Armament:
12 - 14.00" / 356 mm 50.0 cal guns - 1,600.01lbs / 725.75kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1940 Model
4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
20 - 5.00" / 127 mm 38.0 cal guns - 60.01lbs / 27.22kg shells, 300 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1940 Model
10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 2.01lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1,500 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1940 Model
10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
60 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.25lbs / 0.11kg shells, 30,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1940 Model
12 x Triple mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
5 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 20,479 lbs / 9,289 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm 552.50 ft / 168.40 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 10.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
4.00" / 102 mm 552.50 ft / 168.40 m 26.19 ft / 7.98 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 90.00 ft / 27.43 m

- Hull Bulges:
2.00" / 51 mm 600.00 ft / 182.88 m 24.00 ft / 7.32 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 14.0" / 356 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
4th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 5.50" / 140 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 15.00" / 381 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 155,002 shp / 115,632 Kw = 29.12 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,665 tons

Complement:
1,666 - 2,167

Cost:
£23.841 million / $95.364 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,538 tons, 7.1 %
- Guns: 3,538 tons, 7.1 %
Armour: 17,111 tons, 34.3 %
- Belts: 3,654 tons, 7.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2,142 tons, 4.3 %
- Bulges: 1,066 tons, 2.1 %
- Armament: 4,192 tons, 8.4 %
- Armour Deck: 5,620 tons, 11.3 %
- Conning Tower: 438 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 4,144 tons, 8.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17,194 tons, 34.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,376 tons, 14.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 0.9 %
- Hull below water: 50 tons
- Hull above water: 50 tons
- On freeboard deck: 200 tons
- Above deck: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
78,106 lbs / 35,428 Kg = 56.9 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 14.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 6.2 ft / 1.9 m
Roll period: 18.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.70
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a straight bulbous bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.691 / 0.693
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.73 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.15 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.10 ft / 0.64 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 31.00 ft / 9.45 m, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m, 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 22.00 ft / 6.71 m, 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m, 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 22.48 ft / 6.85 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 70.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 175.3 %
Waterplane Area: 67,560 Square feet or 6,277 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 220 lbs/sq ft or 1,076 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.09
- Longitudinal: 0.97
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Thoughts?

Bruce & Snip, you should read this article, starting on page 93 where it says "Proposed machinery plant"

very nice, glad to know I'm not completely mental in thinking that this arrangement is a good idea.

You'll get more hull strength (and better seakeeping and gunnery stability) if you raise the freeboard.

Impressive designs, especially the low percentage of tonnage devoted to the hull. It means more Bang-Armor-Speed for the buck!


And welcome to WesWorld!

Well raising freeboard allowed me to add another knot of speed without sacrificing any armor.

The 12x14 variant
Oregon, Snipyards USA Style Fast Battleship laid down 1940

Displacement:
42,438 t light; 45,000 t standard; 49,814 t normal; 53,665 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(871.15 ft / 850.00 ft) x 100.00 ft (Bulges 110.00 ft) x (27.00 / 29.00 ft)
(265.53 m / 259.08 m) x 30.48 m (Bulges 33.53 m) x (8.23 / 8.84 m)

Armament:
12 - 14.00" / 356 mm 50.0 cal guns - 1,600.01lbs / 725.75kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1940 Model
4 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
20 - 5.00" / 127 mm 38.0 cal guns - 60.01lbs / 27.22kg shells, 300 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1940 Model
10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 2.01lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1,500 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1940 Model
10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
60 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.25lbs / 0.11kg shells, 30,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1940 Model
12 x Triple mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
5 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 20,479 lbs / 9,289 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm 552.50 ft / 168.40 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 10.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
4.00" / 102 mm 552.50 ft / 168.40 m 26.19 ft / 7.98 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 90.00 ft / 27.43 m

- Hull Bulges:
2.00" / 51 mm 600.00 ft / 182.88 m 24.00 ft / 7.32 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 14.0" / 356 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
4th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 5.50" / 140 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 15.00" / 381 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 175,003 shp / 130,552 Kw = 30.03 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,665 tons

Complement:
1,666 - 2,167

Cost:
£24.290 million / $97.161 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,538 tons, 7.1 %
- Guns: 3,538 tons, 7.1 %
Armour: 17,201 tons, 34.5 %
- Belts: 3,654 tons, 7.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2,142 tons, 4.3 %
- Bulges: 1,066 tons, 2.1 %
- Armament: 4,282 tons, 8.6 %
- Armour Deck: 5,620 tons, 11.3 %
- Conning Tower: 438 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 4,679 tons, 9.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,569 tons, 33.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,376 tons, 14.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 0.9 %
- Hull below water: 50 tons
- Hull above water: 50 tons
- On freeboard deck: 200 tons
- Above deck: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
76,853 lbs / 34,860 Kg = 56.0 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 13.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 5.8 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 19.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.84
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a straight bulbous bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.691 / 0.693
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.73 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.15 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.10 ft / 0.64 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 24.83 ft / 7.57 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 196.7 %
Waterplane Area: 67,560 Square feet or 6,277 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 210 lbs/sq ft or 1,024 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.01
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

And the 8x16 variant
Oregon, Snipyards USA Style Fast Battleship laid down 1940

Displacement:
42,541 t light; 45,000 t standard; 49,814 t normal; 53,665 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(871.15 ft / 850.00 ft) x 100.00 ft (Bulges 110.00 ft) x (27.00 / 29.00 ft)
(265.53 m / 259.08 m) x 30.48 m (Bulges 33.53 m) x (8.23 / 8.84 m)

Armament:
8 - 16.00" / 406 mm 50.0 cal guns - 2,168.09lbs / 983.43kg shells, 100 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1940 Model
4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
20 - 5.00" / 127 mm 38.0 cal guns - 60.01lbs / 27.22kg shells, 300 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1940 Model
10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 50.0 cal guns - 2.01lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1,500 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1940 Model
10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
60 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.25lbs / 0.11kg shells, 30,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1940 Model
12 x Triple mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
5 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 18,624 lbs / 8,448 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm 552.50 ft / 168.40 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 10.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
4.00" / 102 mm 552.50 ft / 168.40 m 26.19 ft / 7.98 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 90.00 ft / 27.43 m

- Hull Bulges:
2.00" / 51 mm 600.00 ft / 182.88 m 24.00 ft / 7.32 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 10.0" / 254 mm 14.0" / 356 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
4th: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 5.50" / 140 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 15.00" / 381 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 175,003 shp / 130,552 Kw = 30.03 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,665 tons

Complement:
1,666 - 2,167

Cost:
£24.253 million / $97.012 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,374 tons, 6.8 %
- Guns: 3,374 tons, 6.8 %
Armour: 17,083 tons, 34.3 %
- Belts: 3,654 tons, 7.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2,142 tons, 4.3 %
- Bulges: 1,066 tons, 2.1 %
- Armament: 4,164 tons, 8.4 %
- Armour Deck: 5,620 tons, 11.3 %
- Conning Tower: 438 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 4,679 tons, 9.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,604 tons, 33.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,273 tons, 14.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 800 tons, 1.6 %
- Hull below water: 150 tons
- Hull above water: 150 tons
- On freeboard deck: 300 tons
- Above deck: 200 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
76,917 lbs / 34,889 Kg = 37.6 x 16.0 " / 406 mm shells or 13.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 5.8 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 19.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.79
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a straight bulbous bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.691 / 0.693
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.73 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.15 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.10 ft / 0.64 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 27.00 ft / 8.23 m, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m, 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 24.83 ft / 7.57 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 196.7 %
Waterplane Area: 67,560 Square feet or 6,277 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 209 lbs/sq ft or 1,018 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.01
- Longitudinal: 1.00
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


By the way.if anyone of you guys want me to kick something around for you, let me know.

You can make the 12x14 a little longer due to having extra longitudinal strength left over. Will help lower the SHP needed for the same speed and also increase seakeeping and may lower the recoil.

You can still add freeboard to the 8x16 due to having additional cross-sectional strength. Will raise seakeeping even more may add some stability.

Thanks sachmle. I literally just changed to guns and added a bit of misc. weight to the 8x16. That version seems better anyway so I will play with it some more later.

Guess I could also share some drawings that I have done. I use a CAD program for its acuracy, and paint and I dont get along so well If anyone wants, I have the spring sharp's for these ships as well.

A 6x6" cruiser


A 3x4" escort destroyer.


and a 6x15 hybrid BB/CV


All of these are early 20's designs. there is a partial 1930's refit for the BCV that is not done yet.

What are the secondary armaments for the ships in the drawings?

The cruiser uses 4" guns for its secondaries. they are the exact same mounts as on the destroyer escort. The BCV uses 140mm for its.

A Pre-Dread design that I made for a project. SS report and a drawing

California, WAC Battleship laid down 1890

Displacement:
9,600 t light; 10,303 t standard; 11,002 t normal; 11,561 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(360.00 ft / 360.00 ft) x 69.00 ft x (24.00 / 25.03 ft)
(109.73 m / 109.73 m) x 21.03 m x (7.32 / 7.63 m)

Armament:
4 - 13.00" / 330 mm 35.0 cal guns - 1,000.00lbs / 453.59kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 8.00" / 203 mm 40.0 cal guns - 245.35lbs / 111.29kg shells, 200 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 40.0 cal guns - 30.67lbs / 13.91kg shells, 300 per gun
Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
Weight of broadside 5,227 lbs / 2,371 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 234.00 ft / 71.32 m 9.97 ft / 3.04 m
Ends: 3.50" / 89 mm 125.98 ft / 38.40 m 9.97 ft / 3.04 m
Upper: 8.00" / 203 mm 234.00 ft / 71.32 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 13.0" / 330 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 3.00" / 76 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
3rd: 3.00" / 76 mm - 3.00" / 76 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7,921 ihp / 5,909 Kw = 16.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 9.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,258 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
536 - 698

Cost:
£0.933 million / $3.731 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 787 tons, 7.1 %
- Guns: 787 tons, 7.1 %
Armour: 3,786 tons, 34.4 %
- Belts: 2,543 tons, 23.1 %
- Armament: 956 tons, 8.7 %
- Armour Deck: 287 tons, 2.6 %
Machinery: 1,467 tons, 13.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,550 tons, 32.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,402 tons, 12.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 0.1 %
- Hull below water: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,413 lbs / 6,084 Kg = 12.2 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.31
Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 13.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.56

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.646 / 0.651
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.22 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.97 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 13.50 ft / 4.11 m, 13.50 ft / 4.11 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 13.50 ft / 4.11 m, 13.50 ft / 4.11 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 13.50 ft / 4.11 m, 13.50 ft / 4.11 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 13.50 ft / 4.11 m, 13.50 ft / 4.11 m
- Average freeboard: 13.50 ft / 4.11 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91.0 %
Waterplane Area: 18,961 Square feet or 1,762 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 713 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.91
- Longitudinal: 2.36
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Adequate accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

The first true class of battleships commissoned by the WAC goverment. The design is a logical outgroath of the Beaver Republics but includes several revolutionary features. It is the first ship designed that uses a turret on barbette. The guns are upgraded to 4 13" 35 caliber breach-loaders. The primary purpose of the class is to replace the Beaver Republic class ironclads as the main ships of the line for the WAC Navy. They are part of the 1885-1900 naval modernization and expantion program.


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My only suggestion with reguards to the picture would be to add a second mast aft and make the funnels longer, slightly thinner and remove their caps. That should make her look more period like.

Springsharp wise her belt is a bit thick for the period, I'd expect more like 10-12" of armour, even lower perhaps. Ditto for her turret armour. The guns also seem quite potent for the period as I know of no ships with guns larger than 12" in the 1890's.

With the belt, gun calibers reduced you could slim her size down somewhat which translates to a cheaper design.

The size of the armament and the thickness of the belt does have period precedent.

See the data for the first US battleships here

The guns, of course, were quite short-barreled.