Clean Oceans Act

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 1:02pm

December 11th 1939

Bharat stands:

"Four days ago a civilian oiler chartered by our nation suffered a terrible accident near the Atlantean Coast. Thousands of tons of oil were dumped into the ocean close to the Atlantean Coast. We ask for a vote of censure to our nation while at the same time we ask for voting for a Clean Ocean Act to ensure events like this don't occur again.

1) Severily fine nations guilty of dumping oil into the Ocean. (out of game fines)
2) Nations guilty of this will be censured by the League.
3) Nations could escort oilers of other nationalities to ensure no accidents occur in a regular basis, even in International Waters near their own territorial waters.

Thank you."

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Brockpaine

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 3:09pm

Talk about playing 21st Century politics in the 1930s...

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perdedor99

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 3:17pm

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Talk about playing 21st Century politics in the 1930s...

hey, if you can't defeat them join them.

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 3:34pm

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Originally posted by perdedor99

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Talk about playing 21st Century politics in the 1930s...

hey, if you can't defeat them join them.

The amount of oil carried by a modern 1930s tanker would be dispersed in a few days in the Atlantic, even if it all ended up released, which would be unlikely.

Further, I'm not very keen on using 2000s-era environmental wangst in period discussions.

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perdedor99

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 3:49pm

Good to know that oil spillage seven miles of the Lyran coast will disperse. will not get caught in the modern vs. period discusion but lets say Bharat is very ecologically minded.

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Brockpaine

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 3:58pm

One might ask what the Indians are doing near Lyra when they're going to Britain.

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TexanCowboy

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 4:21pm

Well, unless they're going by Suez, that's the quickest route....

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perdedor99

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 4:24pm

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
One might ask what the Indians are doing near Lyra when they're going to Britain.

read the Indian news. The longer route is north circuling atlantis but the shape of the ship, as the message Captain Rajputi received form the oiler's captain the day before indicated the ship was in bad shape. The leader fo the group decided to follow the shorter route to try to protect the ship from the rougher North Atlantic waters and go through international waters protected by the two large island in the Atlantic, that would be calmer than open sea conditions.

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 4:25pm

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Well, unless they're going by Suez, that's the quickest route....

That's how they are returning after visiting Naples.

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perdedor99

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 4:25pm

any votes? Bharat and Persia vote aye.

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 4:37pm

I have to agree with Brock, for someone who accuses others of modern politics this is right up there.....and India wouldn't be taking the route between Lyra and the main Island of Atlantis. Given their current actions Atlantis would politely decline, but thanks for PM'ing me in advance......

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 4:40pm

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Originally posted by perdedor99

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
One might ask what the Indians are doing near Lyra when they're going to Britain.

read the Indian news. The longer route is north circuling atlantis but the shape of the ship, as the message Captain Rajputi received form the oiler's captain the day before indicated the ship was in bad shape. The leader fo the group decided to follow the shorter route to try to protect the ship from the rougher North Atlantic waters and go through international waters protected by the two large island in the Atlantic, that would be calmer than open sea conditions.

In which case, you'd really rather be going closer to the coast of Africa, particularly with a ship in distress. If you're going to Britain, you'd have to detour approximately 400nm to get anywhere near Lyra.

Also, the prevailing sea currents would most probably carry any oil away from, rather than toward, the Atlantean coast. Obviously I can't declare that factually as there are no OTL charts of the ocean currents around Atlantis, but the prevailing Canary Current is running south.

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 4:44pm

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
I have to agree with Brock, for someone who accuses others of modern politics this is right up there.....and India wouldn't be taking the route between Lyra and the main Island of Atlantis. Given their current actions Atlantis would politely decline, but thanks for PM'ing me in advance......

International waters? The distance between both islands seem to be as much as between Paris and Brussels in the Big Map. The territorial waters for the period was three miles or Atlantis is claiming more than three miles? And check the dates, either through Africa or the island, he calculated those waters to be calmer and they are international waters.

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 4:46pm

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
One might ask what the Indians are doing near Lyra when they're going to Britain.

read the Indian news. The longer route is north circuling atlantis but the shape of the ship, as the message Captain Rajputi received form the oiler's captain the day before indicated the ship was in bad shape. The leader fo the group decided to follow the shorter route to try to protect the ship from the rougher North Atlantic waters and go through international waters protected by the two large island in the Atlantic, that would be calmer than open sea conditions.

In which case, you'd really rather be going closer to the coast of Africa, particularly with a ship in distress. If you're going to Britain, you'd have to detour approximately 400nm to get anywhere near Lyra.

Also, the prevailing sea currents would most probably carry any oil away from, rather than toward, the Atlantean coast. Obviously I can't declare that factually as there are no OTL charts of the ocean currents around Atlantis, but the prevailing Canary Current is running south.

To go around the whole continent of Atlantis you have to go way north, the message was received while they were turning in that direction but too far from Africa at the time. He made a decision to go to the closest calmer waters.

also in all probabilty the current will not be as strong as historically due to the presence of such a large island nearby. With all probabilty the historical current carrying cold water from the North will move to the west of Atlantis, making for warmer climate and calmer waters by Africa. Of course this is not factual as there is no way to prove what the effect of a such a landmass could cause to OTL currents.

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 5:05pm

You know, for that sort of thing, I bet Atlantis could use the Soviet Excuse that they used for the White Sea..."Historic Bay" or something. It's not like that would be a major sea passage for non-Atlantean commerce, with most merchants cutting between Atlantis and Africa.

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Friday, August 13th 2010, 5:11pm

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You know, for that sort of thing, I bet Atlantis could use the Soviet Excuse that they used for the White Sea..."Historic Bay" or something. It's not like that would be a major sea passage for non-Atlantean commerce, with most merchants cutting between Atlantis and Africa.

But never stated before. And to go to Cleito you have to pass by that same waters. Either from the North or South, so is a major sea passage. Or you're saying the capital of Atlantis have no commerce at all? And I was going north of Atlantis, the situation force me to go through international waters between the islands.

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