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Dong Sen Fen, the chinese ambassador in the LoN, gets up and walks to the lectern....


"Dear ambassadors of the league,

I would like to put the incident around the Soko Islands to the discussion. This is a military exercise near the chinese borders.
There was no indication or note in advance by GB or Canada to China, that such an exercise will take place near the chinese borders.

In our view this is a deliberate provocation and corresponds in no way to a peaceful coexistence.

Perhaps we have in our first reaction overreacted a bit, but I think that everyone present can understand that such an incident can
take a fright in the limbs.

For this reason we decided to bring the case to the LoN to discuss the case before a neutral audience.

I want to reiterate that China has not the intention at any time to stop the British practice or to intervene in this exercise.

As a precaution we are compeled to mobilize forces due to the exercise - we have no intention whatsoever to use force to end or disturb the
exercise. That's why we put this request to the league.


I now ask the League to discuss the case and if necessary, make appropriate measures."

The British Ambassador to the LoN could point to attempts by China to claim international waters around Hong Kong and Macau as Chinese territorial waters well beyond the 3 Mile Limit as mitigating circumstances.

Also China's track record over the Spartley's, demands to Russia over Kamchatka military deployments, persistent meddling in Hong Kong armed force strength and un-ceasing determination to claim Hainan as Chinese territory from Iberia all seem to be rather serious black marks against its integrity and honesty in this matter.

But Great Britain is willing to see the case before a neutral audience.

Bharati ambassador stands:

We present the motion for discussion of this issue. This new rift between China and the world would not have occurred if was not for a Commonwealth diplomatic omission. Their lack of diplomacy could be viewed either as an honest mistake, something we think was the case knowing the British temple; or as a deliberate provocation to push the Chinese government to take an aggressive stance. I applaud the Chinese government decision to bring the matter forward to the League to ensure these mistakes would not occur in the future.

I for once ask for the Canadian government to apologize for their faux and to promise to announce the Chinese government by private diplomatic means of any exercises close to the Chinese borders ahead of time, that would be the polite thing to do between two nations at peace; on the other hand China should apologize for their initial aggressive response to the matter at hand.

The British Foreign Minister have stated before that the British Empire is bound in a quest for peace. So how the British nation would feel if the French fleet conducts exercises near the Channel Islands without previous knowledge and have to know from the press? Surprised and hurt I gather. Please try to understand the initial Chinese reaction.

"The Dominion of Canada is under no obligation or compulsion to notify or amend it's operations at the whim of a foreign government. The proper authorities governing the regions in questions were duly notified, and it is of Canada's opinion that what happens within Commonwealth territory are internal affairs, and objects strenuously to the recent attempts by the Chinese government to protest and dictate the movements and operations of Sovereign nation's forces beyond their purview and juristiction."

The Canadian Delegate thusly returns to his desk, and matters of greater importance.

OOC: Hong Kong is full of Chinese spies and probably not much in the way of good border control.
Any fool only needs a telescope to see what's going on from the Chinese side. Those arguements don't quite wash.

The Australian Ambassador agrees with his Commonwealth counterparts just before leaving for a beer.

The Mexican Representative would like to point out the extremely inflammatory case of Italian Warships operating in the Gulf of Mexico...

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OOC: Hong Kong is full of Chinese spies and probably not much in the way of good border control.
Any fool only needs a telescope to see what's going on from the Chinese side. Those arguements don't quite wash.

OOC: Sure, but how you will handle it in roleplay ??? How will you react to something that you do not know ?

OOC: We have known spies on a chain but we keep it slack so they can't feel them dragging...
I'm pretty sure SIS knows about the spies. Probably they use Chinese locals to spy in China too.
It's the name of the game, if you can't beat it spy on it!

OOC: Even today the United States announces military exercises in Korea to do exactly these; make sure accidents don't occur and to assure North Korea no aggressive intentions. And them they do their exercise no matter what. Is diplomacy and the polite thing to do between nations in peace.

Not announcing an exercise so close to borders is aggressive in nature. So China has spies? What you got from the info, Canadian ships arrive unannounced, large number of troops and munition, explosions on their size of the border. That would infer an exercise but it could be a prelude for an invasion and reading the newspapers is not an official response.

Chinese response is about right IMO, the Latvian one and Italy for some. China has been guilty of jumping the gun other times but this time IMO they have reason to be paranoid.

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The Australian Ambassador agrees with his Commonwealth counterparts just before leaving for a beer.

The Mexican Representative would like to point out the extremely inflammatory case of Italian Warships operating in the Gulf of Mexico...

In international waters far away of Mexican territory. Here the probability of a mistake is higher due to the distances involved.

Bharat presents a motion for a vote of sanction to Canada for their lack of diplomatic tact in provocking China into a aggressive reaction by their intentional omission to inform the above mentioned aggravieted nation of exercises less than 20 kilometers from Chinese territory. This lack of courtesy to each other needs to be sanctioned now before it extends further and create more issues in the future.

" 'Tact and Courtesy' are matters of concern to this body? What about the tact and courtesy China has shown in recent objections to the perfectly legal and even announced transfers of elements from the Russian Navy? What about the tact and courtesy China has thrown our British cousins with implied threats to Hong Kong if they do not deign to submit to Chinese demands regarding internal Commonwealth affairs? What of the moves China has made to occupy and miliitarize what would charitably be called as 'disputed' territory in the Sprately islands? Or shall we go back to their emperor's coronation speech, and it's implications towards all non-chinese? Perhaps if China practiced a little 'tact and courtesy', we'd be inclinded to show them some in return."

The Romanian ambassador to the League of Nations would like to know whether the proposed motion would be a matter for the General Assembly to vote on or just the General Secretariat (or whatever the Security Council is called).

The Brazilian smiles at the Bharati ambassador and gently reminds him this technically an internal matter between China and the Commonwealth, and technically the League has no power to enforce sanctions in such an occurance.

OOC: I know the League have no power to enforce a decision. But this is the reason of the League, to be a neutral forum. And that is the motion presented, the lack of diplomatic tact has caused a crisis and China is asking for neutral help in the matter.

And yes, it should be voted in the General Assembly with a reason of the why the vote.

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Bharat presents a motion for a vote of sanction to Canada for their lack of diplomatic tact in provocking China into a aggressive reaction by their intentional omission to inform the above mentioned aggravieted nation of exercises less than 20 kilometers from Chinese territory. This lack of courtesy to each other needs to be sanctioned now before it extends further and create more issues in the future.

The Republic of Chile requests clarification on the manner of "sanctions" to be levied against such a power, assuming a consensus is reached that Canada has indeed been "Impolite" towards China.

Bharat considers a vote of censure should be enough with Canadian assurances than any exercise so close to another's nations borders would be announced beforehand so misunderstandings like this could be averted. The issue is not the exercise, Canada is free to do exercise in international waters or in territorial waters as they please, the issue is the how close to Chinese territorial waters it was without the courtesy of informing beforehand the Chinese Government to try to eliminate misunderstandings as this.

For example previously the Italian government announced beforehand Mexico of their intention of exercises in the Caribbean, even when they were not been obligated to do so and the exercise was in International Waters. Or Nato announcing of the location of their exercises to try ensure other nation's ships were not near the area and eliminate the change of accidents.

OOC: So are you trying to censure or sanction me? These are two notably different concepts.

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OOC: So are you trying to censure or sanction me? These are two notably different concepts.

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Originally posted by perdedor99
Bharat considers a vote of censure should be enough with Canadian assurances than any exercise so close to another's nations borders would be announced beforehand so misunderstandings like this could be averted. The issue is not the exercise, Canada is free to do exercise in international waters or in territorial waters as they please, the issue is the how close to Chinese territorial waters it was without the courtesy of informing beforehand the Chinese Government to try to eliminate misunderstandings as this.

Chile does not see this issue as a matter worthy of sanctions and will therefore vote "No" to the motion as currently stated. Chile remains open to a motion condemning or censuring Canadian actions, but we request any future motion contain both a statement of the offense and a recommendation for consequences.

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Originally posted by ShinRa_Inc
OOC: So are you trying to censure or sanction me? These are two notably different concepts.

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Originally posted by perdedor99
Bharat considers a vote of censure should be enough with Canadian assurances than any exercise so close to another's nations borders would be announced beforehand so misunderstandings like this could be averted. The issue is not the exercise, Canada is free to do exercise in international waters or in territorial waters as they please, the issue is the how close to Chinese territorial waters it was without the courtesy of informing beforehand the Chinese Government to try to eliminate misunderstandings as this.

Chile does not see this issue as a matter worthy of sanctions and will therefore vote "No" to the motion as currently stated. Chile remains open to a motion condemning or censuring Canadian actions, but we request any future motion contain both a statement of the offense and a recommendation for consequences.

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You're right, The intent is to censure, not sanction.

The Atlantean delegate stands and adresses the other delegates.

"We do not feel that the Canadian actions warrent sanctions and were it not for China's recent demands made to others in the region we might have been in favour of a motion to condemn or censur them.

Furthermore Atlantis is not amused at China's attempts to use the League as a tool to further restrict other nations actions in either international waters nor their own territorial waters."