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33/33 factories to naval materials: 33,000 tons created for Q4/39, plus 1,700 tons saved from Q3/39, plus 4,225 tons from scrapping, plus 1,1500 tons from transactions, for a total of 40,075 tons.

0/33 factories (committed) to infrastructure development;

0/33 factories (non-committed) to infrastructure development;

B. Infrastructure Development

None

C. Naval Construction

At Petrograd
Class 4 Slip #1 - Battleship Slava laid down 1 January 1938. 17,000 tons added by Q4/39. 3,000 tons added in Q4/39. Launched 9 November 1939. 29,755 tons remaining.
Class 4 Slip #2 - Battleship Sotsialism laid down 1 January 1938. 17,000 tons added by Q4/39. 3,000 tons added in Q4/39. Launched 9 November 1939. 29,755 tons remaining.
Class 4 Slip #3 - Battleship Pravda laid down 1 January 1938. 17,000 tons added by Q4/39. 3,000 tons added in Q4/39. Launched 9 November 1939. 29,755 tons remaining.
Class 4 Slip #4 - Battleship Vlast laid down 1 January 1938. 17,000 tons added by Q4/39. 3,000 tons added in Q4/39. Launched 9 November 1939. 29,755 tons remaining.
Class 3 Slip #1 - Polish cruiser laid down 1 April 1939. 2,575 tons added in Q2/39. All materials produced. Launched 2 November 1939 and towed to Gdansk.
Class 3 Slip #2 - Idle
Class 3 Slip #3 - Idle.
Class 3 Slip #4 - Idle.
Class 3 Slip #5 - Idle.
Class 3 Slip #6 - Idle.
Class 1 Slip #1 - Idle.
Class 1 Slip #2 - Idle.
Class 1 Slip #3 - Idle.
Class 1 Slip #4 - Idle.
Class 0 Slip #1 - Idle.
Class 0 Slip #2 - Idle.
Class 0 Slip #3 - Idle.
Class 0 Slip #4 - Idle.

Launched ships fitting out at Petrograd
None


At Kronshtadt
Class 1 Drydock #1 - Idle.
Class 0 Drydock #1 - Refit Roza class corvettes started 1 July 1939. 145 tons added in Q3/39 to complete.

At Tallinn
Class 3 Drydock #1 - Aldebaran class CVE conversion started 1 July 1939. 1,664 tons added in Q3/39. 1,664 tons added in Q4/39 to complete.
Class 3 Drydock #2 - Askold class Amphibious Command Ship conversion started 1 October 1939. 1,700tons added in Q4/39. 1,695 tons remaining.
Class 3 Drydock #3 - Refit 2 Roza class corvettes started 1 October 1939. 290 tons added to the pair in Q4/39 to complete.
Class 3 Drydock #4 - Latvian DD refit.
Class 1 Drydock #1 - Idle.

At Arkhangelsk
Class 4 Slip #1 - Aircraft Carrier Azov laid down 1 January 1938. 10,867 tons added by Q4/39. Launched 2 October 1939. 2,600 tons added in Q4/39. 15,719 tons remaining.
Class 2 Slip #1 - Bulgarian minelayer_2 laid down 1 January 1939. 1,500 tons added by Q4/39. 1,227 tons added in Q4/39 to complete.
Class 2 Slip #2 - Idle
Class 2 Slip #3 - Idle
Class 2 Slip #4 - Idle
Class 2 Slip #5 - Idle
Class 2 Slip #6 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #1 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #2 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #3 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #4 - Idle
Class 0 Slip #1 - Idle
Class 0 Slip #2 - Idle

Launched ships fitting out at Arkhangelsk


At Murmansk
Class 4 Drydock #1 - Idle.
Class 3 Drydock #1 - Idle.
Class 3 Drydock #2 - Idle.
Class 2 Drydock #1 - Idle.
Class 1 Drydock #1 - Refit Lilya class corvette started 1 October 1939. 145 tons added in Q4/39 to complete.
Class 0 Drydock #1 - Refit Lilya class corvette started 1 October 1939. 145 tons added in Q4/39 to complete.
Class 0 Drydock #2 - Idle.

At Rostov
Class 3 Slip #1 - Bulgarian minelayer_1 laid down 1 January 1939. 1,500 tons added by Q4/39. 1,227 tons added in Q4/39 to complete
Class 1 Slip #1 - Idle
Class 1 Slip #2 - Idle
Class 0 Slip #1 - Idle
Class 0 Slip #2 - Idle

Launched ships fitting out at Rostov


At Sevastopol
Class 3 Drydock #1 - Poltava rebuild started 1 January 1939. 7,065 tons added by Q3/39. 2,355 tons added in Q4/39. 1,976 tons remaining.
Class 2 Drydock #1 - Imperitritsa Ekaterina Velikaya rebuild started 1 January 1939. 6,849 tons added by Q4/39. 2,283 tons added in Q4/39. 2,713 tons remaining.
Class 1 Drydock #1 - Idle
Class 0 Drydock #1 - Idle

At Byzantium
Class 3 Drydock #1 - Idle

At Astrakhan
Class 1 Drydock #1 - Idle

At Vladivostok
Class 4 Drydock #1 - 3 Oka class fast minelayer refits started 1 October 1939. 432 tons added in Q4/39 to complete.
Class 1 Drydock #1 - Scrapping 2 Tyulpan class corvettes
Class 1 Drydock #2 - Scrapping 2 Tyulpan class corvettes
Class 0 Drydock #1 - Idle.
Class 4 Slip #1 - Aircraft Carrier Osel laid down 1 January 1938. 7,403 tons added by Q4/39. 2,130 tons added in Q4/39. 19,653 tons remaining.
Class 1 Slip #1 - Idle.
Class 1 Slip #2 - Idle.
Class 0 Slip #1 - Idle.
Class 0 Slip #2 - Idl.

At Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky
Class 3 Drydock #1 - 2 Oka class fast minelayer refits started 1 October 1939. 288 tons added in Q4/39 to complete
Class 1 Drydock #1 - Scrapping 2 Tyulpan class corvettes.
Class 0 Drydock #1 -Idle

At Cam Ranh Bay (Indochina (France))
Class 4 Drydock #1 - Idle
Class 1 Drydock #1 - Scrapping 2 Tyulpan class corvettes
Class 1 Drydock #2 - Scrapping 2 Tyulpan class corvettes

At Tunis, (North Africa (France))
None

At Phelleus, (Atlantis)
None

D. Transactions

1,150 tons received from Bulgaria.

E. Other Notes

1,244 tons scrap available each quarter of 1939 from Bestrashniy cruiser class and Pion and Tyulpan corvette classes.
2,981 tons recycled from Izmail, Strashniy, and Sirius rebuilds/refits


40,075 tons available in Q4/39. 28,631 tons expended in Q4/39.

11,444 tons saved

F. Updated Order of Battle, 1 January 1940

Note: X (Y)+Z = completed (under repair/refit) + under construction
BB: 10(2)+8
BC: 4(0)+0
CDBB: 2(0)+0 (Treaty accountable as coast defense armorclad)
CV: 10(0)+2
AC: 8(0)+0
CA: 0(1)+0
CE: 4(0)+0 (Treaty accountable as coast defense armorclad)
CL: 65(0)+0
DD: 13(0)+0
DE: 121(0)+0
Sloops: 4(0)+0
Fleet Submarine: 40(0)+0
Coastal Submarine: 150(0)+0

Non-Treaty Limited Ships
Corvettes 100(5)+0
Patrol Boats 110(0)+0
Submarine Chasers 170(0)+0
MTB 340(0)+0
Minesweepers 60(0)+0
Minelayers 68(5)+0
Mine Warfare 104(0)+0
Seaplane Carriers 4(0)+0
Fleet Icebreakers 7(0)+0
Port Icebreakers 20(0)+0
Oilers 12(0)+0
Colliers 0(0)+0
Destroyer Tenders - 3(0)+0
Corvette/Submarine Tenders - 19(0)+0
Amphibious Assault Ships (Krokodill) - 18(0)+0
Amphibious Transport Ships (Alligator) - 12(0)+0
Amphibious Assault Boats - 62(0)+0
Heavy Landing Ship (Caiman) - 4(0)+0

Question: How are you getting scrap from the rebuilds of the Izmail, Strashniy, and Sirius classes? Is that just the scrap from the guns being scrapped, or what? I'm confused....

http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/thread.php?threadid=2405&sid=

The materials removed from a ship being refitted or rebuilt can be recycled, using our scrap rules.

You get back 15% of what was replaced after it is processed.

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Originally posted by AdmKuznetsov
http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/thread.php?threadid=2405&sid=

The materials removed from a ship being refitted or rebuilt can be recycled, using our scrap rules.

You get back 15% of what was replaced after it is processed.

That's not my understanding of the rules.

To the best of my understanding, the only thing recovered from a refit are removed/replaced weapons (I suppose Radars and similar electronics could be added to that, but hasn't been an issue yet) which can be used on other warship projects or as coastal artillery.

Any 'scrap' sales is factored into the cost calculation for the refit for simplicity's sake. It makes little sense to set a cost for refit, and then have a sub-rule which modifies that cost in virtually all cases, and in unpredictable ways; it's not unthinkable for a player to argue that two ships of identical tonnage, recieving the same 'level' refit could recover different amounts of material based on what work is being done, and there are no rules at all to govern or administrate that process.

In summation; The cost of the refit is the cost of the refit.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
That's not my understanding of the rules.

Nor mine. In effect that just makes any refit or rebuild 15% cheaper.

Indeed. This is not according to our rules.

25740 tons of savings going back all the way to Q1 1938 Report.

I understand our rules also differently as Adm Kuznetsow.

And now ?? If it's really going back all the way to Q1/1938, as Perdi said (and i think he checked it), so we have a problem. He has an advantage of 25740tons or one BC !!!!

Ok I think we can stop piling on now guys. We are adressing the issue.

Looks like I've got some reports to redo.

1. Imperator Nikolai I suffers a magazine/coal dust explosion in deep Water. The remainder deducted from Q4/39 savings.

2 I sink the tonnage into a big icebreaker for the Northern Sea Route, which I have not planned/budgeted for.

3. I edit years worth of reports.

Thoughts?

The first two would obviously be the easier of the three options.

Would #2 actually be needed, or do you already have enough Icebreakers?

#1 would be interesting at least. What happened? Was it sabotage? Who's to blame? Makes good stories.

The decisions are interesting but my concern is without the extra 3000 plus tonnage for eight quarters a lot of the refits to the capital ships would have not been performed or new capital ships started on projected schedule. The tonnage was already used for those contructions and sinking an unrefitted ship that would probably has gone to the breakers will not recover 25000 plus tonnage utilized on those ships. Or starting a new useful ship with tonnage that would not be allowed anyway doesn't seem fair to me either.

a terrible accident in the Imperitritsa Maria (one the refitted ships) for example instead of an unrefitted ship that could go to the breakers anyway seems like a better arrangement. Or rewrite the whole reports for two years. I know is a lot of work but IMO is more fair.

Of course up to the mods and is not personal. Is just my opinion in regard to fairness.

If sinking the ship cancells out most of the tonnage gained incorrectly whats the difference? He'd still likely refit said ships and worse he's likely losing a newly refit ship to boot with option 1.

All three options work IMO so I'm not going to nitpick.

running around with oldest cordite.

My preference to do the icebreaker. It clears off the tonnage while adding no real capability that I don't already have with the 3 Admiral Rodzhestvenskiis and 4 Arcticas .

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
If sinking the ship cancells out most of the tonnage gained incorrectly whats the difference? He'd still likely refit said ships and worse he's likely losing a newly refit ship to boot with option 1.

All three options work IMO so I'm not going to nitpick.

the imperator nick has never been refitted. but up to you guys. nothing else out of my mouth.

Would it be possible for Russia to, for lack of a better word, "pay off" the tonnage over the next six or eight quarters? Perhaps just something as simple as 2-3 factories not running, or just paying it off like a ship? Call it "unsustainable loans from NPCs and civilians" or something like that.

Quite frankly, not entirely sure the icebreaker idea is the way to go, as you'd still end up with an operational icebreaker.

I'm assuming the icebreaker would be in civilian use.