WesWorld

Caretaker reports for Greece. Hopefully no errors.

[SIZE=5]Q1 1939[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Industrial Allocation[/SIZE]
- 10/15 factories producing 10,000t materials.
- 0/15 factories producing infrastructure (non-dedicated)
- 5/15 factories producing infrastructure (dedicated)
- 165 tons from stockpile.
- 0 tons from transactions
- 10,110 tons materials total.
- 9,945 tons used.
- 220 tons stored for Q2/39.

[SIZE=3]Infrastructure Development[/SIZE]
Limassol:
- 0.5 IP (dedicated) added to Type 3 Drydock in Limassol. Completed.

[SIZE=3]Naval Construction[/SIZE]

Attica:
D3: Idle
D3: Idle
D2: Idle
S2: Idle
S2: Idle
S1: Idle
S1: Idle
S0: Idle
S0: Idle

Dockside:
- B-6 Lysandros laid down January 1st, 1936. 37,000 tons required; 3000 / 37000 tons added Q1/38 for total 24650 / 37000. 12,350 tons remaining until completion. Launched.
- B-7 Perikles laid down January 1st, 1936. 37,000 tons required; 3000 / 37000 tons added Q1/38 for total 24650 / 37000. 12,350 tons remaining until completion. Launched.

Paros:
D1: Idle
D0: Idle

Dockside:

Patra:
D1: Idle
S1: Idle
D0: Idle

Dockside:

Salamis:
D1: Idle

Dockside:

Souda Bay:
D4: Idle
S2: Idle
D1: Idle
D1: Idle
D1: Idle

Dockside:
- C-36 Gaugamela laid down January 1st, 1938. 15,515 tons required; 3000 / 15515 tons added Q1/38 for total 15000 / 15515. 515 tons remaining until completion. 24.6 months to construct. Launched.

Thessaloniki:
D0: Idle
S0: Idle
S0: Idle

Volos:
D1: Idle

Dockside:

Limassol:
D3: Idle

from factories:
- GB-12, 150-ton motor gunboat/subchaser (GB-150 class). 150 tons added.
- GB-13, 150-ton motor gunboat/subchaser (GB-150 class). 150 tons added.
- GB-14, 150-ton motor gunboat/subchaser (GB-150 class). 150 tons added.
- CMSW-12, 165-ton coastal minesweeper/patrol boat (MSW-165 class). 165 tons added.
- CMSW-13, 165-ton coastal minesweeper/patrol boat (MSW-165 class). 165 tons added.
- CMSW-14, 165-ton coastal minesweeper/patrol boat (MSW-165 class). 165 tons added.

On Trials:

[SIZE=3]Transactions[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Other Notes[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Order of Battle (Greek Navy) end of Q1 1939[/SIZE]
Note: W(X)+Y(Z) = completed (under repair/refit) + under construction (- scrapping vessel)

Fleet Combatants
Battleships 3(0)+2
Large Cruisers 3(0)+1
Carriers 6(0)+0
Training Carrier 1(0)+0
Heavy Cruisers 2(0)+0
Light Cruisers 5(0)+0
Scout Cruisers 6(3)+0
Escort Cruisers 6(0)+0
Flotilla Leaders 4(0)+0
Destroyers 59(0)+0
Submarines 46(0)+0
Torpedo Boats 10(0)+0

Small Combatants
Large Gunboats 14(0)+0)
Small Gunboats/Subchasers 14(0)+0
Minelayers 5(0)+0
Minesweepers 40(0)+0
Coastal Minesweepers 14(0)+0
Harbour Launches 3(0)+0
Other Small Combatants 145(0)+0

Auxiliaries
Special transports 5(0)+0
Landing Craft 32(0)+0
Training Ships 4(0)+0
Tenders 4(0)+0
Fleet Train 11(0)+0

[SIZE=5]Q2 1939[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Industrial Allocation[/SIZE]
- 10/15 factories producing 10,000t materials.
- 0/15 factories producing infrastructure (non-dedicated)
- 5/15 factories producing infrastructure (dedicated)
- 220 tons from stockpile.
- 0 tons from transactions
- 10,110 tons materials total.
- 7,775 tons used.
- 2445 tons stored for Q3/39.

[SIZE=3]Infrastructure Development[/SIZE]
Limassol:
- 0.5 IP (dedicated) added to Type 1 Drydock in Limassol. 1.5 IP remaining.

[SIZE=3]Naval Construction[/SIZE]

Attica:
D3: Idle
D3: Idle
D2: Idle
S2: Idle
S2: Idle
S1: Idle
S1: Idle
S0: Idle
S0: Idle

Dockside:
- B-6 Lysandros laid down January 1st, 1936. 37,000 tons required; 3000 / 37000 tons added Q2/38 for total 27650 / 37000. 9,350 tons remaining until completion. Launched.
- B-7 Perikles laid down January 1st, 1936. 37,000 tons required; 3000 / 37000 tons added Q2/38 for total 27650 / 37000. 9,350 tons remaining until completion. Launched.

Paros:
D1: Idle
D0: Idle

Dockside:

Patra:
D1: Idle
S1: Idle
D0: Idle

Dockside:

Salamis:
D1: Idle

Dockside:

Souda Bay:
D4: Idle
S2: Idle
D1: Idle
D1: Idle
D1: Idle

Dockside:
- C-36 Gaugamela laid down January 1st, 1938. 15,515 tons required; 515 / 15515 tons added Q2/38 for total 15515 / 15515. 0 tons remaining until completion. 24.6 months to construct.

Thessaloniki:
D0: Idle
S0: Idle
S0: Idle

Volos:
D1: Idle

Dockside:

Limassol:
D3: Idle

from factories:
- GB-15, 150-ton motor gunboat/subchaser (GB-150 class). 150 tons added.
- GB-16, 150-ton motor gunboat/subchaser (GB-150 class). 150 tons added.
- GB-17, 150-ton motor gunboat/subchaser (GB-150 class). 150 tons added.
- GB-18, 150-ton motor gunboat/subchaser (GB-150 class). 150 tons added.
- GB-19, 150-ton motor gunboat/subchaser (GB-150 class). 150 tons added.
- GB-20, 150-ton motor gunboat/subchaser (GB-150 class). 150 tons added.
- CMSW-15, 165-ton coastal minesweeper/patrol boat (MSW-165 class). 165 tons added.
- CMSW-16, 165-ton coastal minesweeper/patrol boat (MSW-165 class). 165 tons added.
- CMSW-17, 165-ton coastal minesweeper/patrol boat (MSW-165 class). 165 tons added.
- CMSW-18, 165-ton coastal minesweeper/patrol boat (MSW-165 class). 165 tons added.
- CMSW-19, 165-ton coastal minesweeper/patrol boat (MSW-165 class). 165 tons added.
- CMSW-20, 165-ton coastal minesweeper/patrol boat (MSW-165 class). 165 tons added.

On Trials:

[SIZE=3]Transactions[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Other Notes[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Order of Battle (Greek Navy) end of Q2 1939[/SIZE]
Note: W(X)+Y(Z) = completed (under repair/refit) + under construction (- scrapping vessel)

Fleet Combatants
Battleships 3(0)+2
Large Cruisers 3(0)+1
Carriers 6(0)+0
Training Carrier 1(0)+0
Heavy Cruisers 2(0)+0
Light Cruisers 5(0)+0
Scout Cruisers 6(3)+0
Escort Cruisers 6(0)+0
Flotilla Leaders 4(0)+0
Destroyers 59(0)+0
Submarines 46(0)+0
Torpedo Boats 10(0)+0

Small Combatants
Large Gunboats 14(0)+0)
Small Gunboats/Subchasers 20(0)+0
Minelayers 5(0)+0
Minesweepers 40(0)+0
Coastal Minesweepers 20(0)+0
Harbour Launches 3(0)+0
Other Small Combatants 145(0)+0

Auxiliaries
Special transports 5(0)+0
Landing Craft 32(0)+0
Training Ships 4(0)+0
Tenders 4(0)+0
Fleet Train 11(0)+0

Did Greece lose a carrier? Because in my counts for the Polish Reports, I had 6 carriers (5 small, 1 large) not including the training carrier.

Quoted

Originally posted by TheCanadian
Did Greece lose a carrier? Because in my counts for the Polish Reports, I had 6 carriers (5 small, 1 large) not including the training carrier.

Well...

Anatoli-class
- AC-2 Anatoli
Ouranos-class
- AC-3 Ouranos
- AC-4 Thaumas
- AC-8 Promethios
Astraios-class
- AC-6 Astraios
Arkadia-class
- AC-7 Arkadia
Thermopylae-class
- AC-9 Thermopylae

Yeah, should be six carriers and one training carrier. I'll make that change.

Drat, Turkey almost got away with a carrier under its trenchcoat!

Small loss, IMHO. Land-based airpower can cover the depth of the Eastern Med, and carriers aren't intended to fight wars in a teakettle.

If the carriers were in action versus Italy, I estimate survival time at three weeks. Versus Turkey, five. They are money sinkholes, with emphasis on "sink" and "holes". As in... sinking because of the holes.

Quoted

Originally posted by Brockpaine
Small loss, IMHO. Land-based airpower can cover the depth of the Eastern Med, and carriers aren't intended to fight wars in a teakettle.

If the carriers were in action versus Italy, I estimate survival time at three weeks. Versus Turkey, five. They are money sinkholes, with emphasis on "sink" and "holes". As in... sinking because of the holes.

Well what I'm more interested in that survival rate is time at sea.

In ,as you put it,teakettle a carrier can stay in home port or sail outside the theater, either way not all that useful.

But what survival time do you give the Italian carriers?

Depends which ones. The Italian carriers are more of a blend of smaller and larger. Most of the small ones only carry fighters, so that you have 6-8 small carriers protecting 3-4 large ones, each with their own fighters.

I would give the Italians longer, because of the number of ships by comparision. But you need to remember that Greece doesn't need carriers, having no outside commitment. Italy has territories and allies outside of the Med.

I'd rate Italy's carriers higher, because the main ones are bigger and therefore more survivable. Combined, they also carry more aircraft than many air forces even in the Wesworld.

Survival time depends who they're fighting, and how hard.

Quoted

Originally posted by Brockpaine
I'd rate Italy's carriers higher, because the main ones are bigger and therefore more survivable. Combined, they also carry more aircraft than many air forces even in the Wesworld.

Yes, there is that point. The airgroups on the Italian carriers almost outnumber Mexico's air force. Admittedly, there aren't actually that many planes in service and quite a few of the carriers are in reserve.

The carriers aren't particularly useful in the Eastern Med. due to the fairly short distances. Would probably just base those available in open water below Crete.

Sexy ships....if I wasn't in the Baltic, and I was in a open-ocean area such as the Pacific, the Indian, or the South or north Atlantic, as a small nation, I would be thinking real hard about buying a Pisa as a flagship....

Quoted

Originally posted by TexanCowboy
Sexy ships....if I wasn't in the Baltic, and I was in a open-ocean area such as the Pacific, the Indian, or the South or north Atlantic, as a small nation, I would be thinking real hard about buying a Pisa as a flagship....

They're a bit small, but cheap. The most recent conversions are more along the lines of aircraft maintenance ships than proper carriers.

The Pisa's? Or the Contenaratti's?

Quoted

Originally posted by TexanCowboy
The Pisa's? Or the Contenaratti's?

The Pisa Class. The Condottieri conversions are really only useful for carrying a few fighters having little space for munitions.

Hmm...I viewed them in the same line as the Independence carriers, light carriers to provide support in areas where a full carrier isn't needed, or to provide support to a full carriers defense screen. I wouldn't think it would have the full maintance team as on the bigger ships, and, therefore, planes that would have been fixed on the bigger ships would have to be thrown overboard on these smaller ones.

Sort of. Some of the Pisas will be configured as small carriers with their own airgroups. Others will be maintenance carriers like Unicorn/Theseus without their own airgroup and more facilities on board.

Hmm...makes sense to me. Might want to reconstruct one, in the future, in the style of the historical Japanese helicopter carriers. It's got the size and the deck to do so.