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After some discussion between Hood, Perdedor, and myself, here are some Greek designs for 1938.

Comments welcome.

[SIZE=3]GB150 Type 1, Greek Subchaser Gunboat laid down 1938[/SIZE]

Displacement:
150 t light; 166 t standard; 202 t normal; 231 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
154.05 ft / 147.64 ft x 16.40 ft x 5.91 ft (normal load)
46.96 m / 45.00 m x 5.00 m x 1.80 m

Armament:
2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount
on centreline forward
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 27 lbs / 12 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 750

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -

- Conning tower: 0.98" / 25 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 1,134 shp / 846 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 3,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 65 tons

Complement:
26 - 34

Cost:
£0.070 million / $0.280 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3 tons, 1.7 %
Armour: 2 tons, 1.1 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 2 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 31 tons, 15.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 94 tons, 46.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 52 tons, 25.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 9.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
406 lbs / 184 Kg = 31.6 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
Roll period: 11.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.32
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.494
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 13.99 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 38
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.64 ft / 0.50 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
- Mid (50 %): 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Stern: 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Average freeboard: 9.26 ft / 2.82 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 107.2 %
Waterplane Area: 1,669 Square feet or 155 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 182 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 23 lbs/sq ft or 114 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.80
- Longitudinal: 8.42
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Notes:
Design was also discussed with 1x3".

[SIZE=3]MS165 Type 1, Greek Light Minesweeper laid down 1938[/SIZE]

Displacement:
165 t light; 173 t standard; 218 t normal; 254 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
150.77 ft / 144.36 ft x 16.40 ft x 5.74 ft (normal load)
45.96 m / 44.00 m x 5.00 m x 1.75 m

Armament:
1 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft gun in deck mount
on centreline forward
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 3 lbs / 1 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 1,500

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -

- Conning tower: 0.98" / 25 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 1,472 shp / 1,098 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 3,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 81 tons

Complement:
27 - 36

Cost:
£0.066 million / $0.265 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.2 %
Armour: 2 tons, 0.7 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1 tons, 0.3 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 40 tons, 18.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 103 tons, 47.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 53 tons, 24.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 9.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
456 lbs / 207 Kg = 233.5 x 1.6 " / 40 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
Roll period: 10.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.03
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.76

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.561
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.80 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.01 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 32
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.64 ft / 0.50 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
- Mid (50 %): 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Stern: 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Average freeboard: 9.26 ft / 2.82 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.3 %
Waterplane Area: 1,670 Square feet or 155 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 207 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 26 lbs/sq ft or 126 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 8.86
- Overall: 1.17
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[SIZE=3]Konstantinoupolis-II, Greek Large Light Cruiser laid down 1938[/SIZE]

Displacement:
15,515 t light; 16,066 t standard; 17,989 t normal; 19,527 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
673.46 ft / 664.00 ft x 76.00 ft x 26.00 ft (normal load)
205.27 m / 202.39 m x 23.16 m x 7.92 m

Armament:
12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (6x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1938 Model
Quick firing guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (6x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (2x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 2,331 lbs / 1,057 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 135
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 462.00 ft / 140.82 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm

- Armour deck: 5.20" / 132 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 94,699 shp / 70,645 Kw = 31.50 kts
Range 12,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,461 tons

Complement:
776 - 1,009

Cost:
£6.486 million / $25.946 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 291 tons, 1.6 %
Armour: 5,579 tons, 31.0 %
- Belts: 1,537 tons, 8.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 740 tons, 4.1 %
- Armour Deck: 3,302 tons, 18.4 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 2,593 tons, 14.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,452 tons, 35.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,474 tons, 13.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 600 tons, 3.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
33,194 lbs / 15,056 Kg = 307.3 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 3.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 16.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.480
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.74 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.80 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m (26.00 ft / 7.92 m aft of break)
- Mid (77 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Stern: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 21.49 ft / 6.55 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 63.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.8 %
Waterplane Area: 34,323 Square feet or 3,189 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 131 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 606 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.43
- Overall: 1.02
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Notes:
Updated Konstantinoupolis-class large light cruiser.

*blinks*
Was just wondering if the large light cruiser design is the correct one...

The superstructure/unarmored hull on any ship afloat will be a smoking ruin after five minutes close to this one.

And the hull below the waterline may well be ventilated too.

Don't get too close is all I can say.

Quoted

Originally posted by Rooijen10
*blinks*
Was just wondering if the large light cruiser design is the correct one...

Eyup. It's a pretty close match for the one Greece built in 1931.


Relevant Thread. This is just a second ship of the class, slightly slicked up for 1938.

Edit: Here's an alternate version with four triples 6":

[SIZE=3]Konstantinoupolis-II Alternate Study #1, Greek Large Cruiser laid down 1938[/SIZE]

Displacement:
15,121 t light; 15,664 t standard; 17,562 t normal; 19,080 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
673.46 ft / 664.00 ft x 74.75 ft x 25.80 ft (normal load)
205.27 m / 202.39 m x 22.78 m x 7.86 m

Armament:
12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (4x3 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1938 Model
Quick firing guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (6x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (2x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 2,331 lbs / 1,057 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 135
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 462.00 ft / 140.82 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm

- Armour deck: 5.20" / 132 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 93,303 shp / 69,604 Kw = 31.50 kts
Range 12,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,416 tons

Complement:
762 - 991

Cost:
£6.379 million / $25.515 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 291 tons, 1.7 %
Armour: 5,428 tons, 30.9 %
- Belts: 1,535 tons, 8.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 645 tons, 3.7 %
- Armour Deck: 3,248 tons, 18.5 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 2,555 tons, 14.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,247 tons, 35.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,441 tons, 13.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 600 tons, 3.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
32,007 lbs / 14,518 Kg = 296.4 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 3.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 15.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.480
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.88 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.76 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m (26.00 ft / 7.92 m aft of break)
- Mid (77 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Stern: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 21.49 ft / 6.55 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 64.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.7 %
Waterplane Area: 33,763 Square feet or 3,137 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 130 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 593 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.41
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

And although AltNaval shied away from the intermediate calibers, I do have some other designs with 8" and British 9.2", but with a drop in belt and deck armour for both designs.

Greece disdained such cruisers in the past and I don't see why they'd change their tune now.

[size=3]Konstantinoupolis-II Alternate Study #2, Greek Large Cruiser laid down 1938[/size]

Displacement:
14,958 t light; 15,664 t standard; 17,562 t normal; 19,080 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
673.46 ft / 664.00 ft x 74.75 ft x 25.80 ft (normal load)
205.27 m / 202.39 m x 22.78 m x 7.86 m

Armament:
12 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (4x3 guns), 250.00lbs / 113.40kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (6x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (2x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 4,035 lbs / 1,830 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 462.00 ft / 140.82 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm

- Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 93,303 shp / 69,604 Kw = 31.50 kts
Range 12,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,416 tons

Complement:
762 - 991

Cost:
£7.397 million / $29.590 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 513 tons, 2.9 %
Armour: 3,992 tons, 22.7 %
- Belts: 1,151 tons, 6.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 880 tons, 5.0 %
- Armour Deck: 1,874 tons, 10.7 %
- Conning Tower: 87 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,555 tons, 14.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,298 tons, 41.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,604 tons, 14.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 600 tons, 3.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
27,946 lbs / 12,676 Kg = 109.2 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 2.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 16.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.58
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.480
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.88 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.76 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m (26.00 ft / 7.92 m aft of break)
- Mid (77 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Stern: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 21.49 ft / 6.55 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.7 %
Waterplane Area: 33,763 Square feet or 3,137 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 127 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 142 lbs/sq ft or 693 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.56
- Overall: 1.05
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent



[size=3]Konstantinoupolis-II Alternate Study #3, Greek Large Cruiser laid down 1938[/size]

Displacement:
14,976 t light; 15,815 t standard; 17,562 t normal; 18,959 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
673.46 ft / 664.00 ft x 74.75 ft x 25.80 ft (normal load)
205.27 m / 202.39 m x 22.78 m x 7.86 m

Armament:
9 - 9.21" / 234 mm guns (3x3 guns), 510.00lbs / 231.33kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (6x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (2x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 5,625 lbs / 2,551 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 462.00 ft / 140.82 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm

- Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 93,303 shp / 69,604 Kw = 31.50 kts
Range 11,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,144 tons

Complement:
762 - 991

Cost:
£7.665 million / $30.661 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 569 tons, 3.2 %
Armour: 3,919 tons, 22.3 %
- Belts: 1,151 tons, 6.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 807 tons, 4.6 %
- Armour Deck: 1,874 tons, 10.7 %
- Conning Tower: 87 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,555 tons, 14.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,633 tons, 43.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,586 tons, 14.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
27,862 lbs / 12,638 Kg = 71.3 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 2.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 15.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.77
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.17

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.480
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.88 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.76 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.00 ft / 5.79 m (26.00 ft / 7.92 m aft of break)
- Mid (77 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Stern: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 21.49 ft / 6.55 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 75.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.7 %
Waterplane Area: 33,763 Square feet or 3,137 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 127 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 148 lbs/sq ft or 724 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.64
- Overall: 1.02
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Considering alt_naval's

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It is only because of the treaty that I have this ship. Given the choice I'd have 2 8000 ton ships instead.

and with the treaty no longer around, it seems more likely Greece would be going for the 8000 ton ships rather than this ~15,600 ton vessel... or am I reading it wrong?
In my eyes, the deck is just a waste and I would cut it down to 3 and add more speed and guns and shells... something like this I was messing around with, before i scolded myself for even thinking of quads...


Takao, Japan Heavy Cruiser laid down 1938

Displacement:
15,342 t light; 16,323 t standard; 18,564 t normal; 20,357 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
712.19 ft / 700.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 25.50 ft (normal load)
217.08 m / 213.36 m x 21.34 m x 7.77 m

Armament:
24 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (6x4 guns), 105.00lbs / 47.63kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns (6x2 guns), 34.00lbs / 15.42kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
24 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (6x4 guns), 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
30 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (10x3 guns), 0.57lbs / 0.26kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 2,993 lbs / 1,358 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 350

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 455.00 ft / 138.68 m 10.45 ft / 3.19 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 3.00" / 76 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 129,723 shp / 96,773 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 9,100nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,033 tons

Complement:
794 - 1,033

Cost:
£7.650 million / $30.602 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 385 tons, 2.1%
Armour: 4,167 tons, 22.4%
- Belts: 1,584 tons, 8.5%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0%
- Armament: 618 tons, 3.3%
- Armour Deck: 1,920 tons, 10.3%
- Conning Tower: 45 tons, 0.2%
Machinery: 3,552 tons, 19.1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,737 tons, 36.3%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,222 tons, 17.4%
Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 2.7%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
26,074 lbs / 11,827 Kg = 241.4 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 15.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.520
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.12 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 33.50 ft / 10.21 m
- Forecastle (20%): 23.75 ft / 7.24 m
- Mid (50%): 23.75 ft / 7.24 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 23.75 ft / 7.24 m
- Stern: 22.75 ft / 6.93 m
- Average freeboard: 24.46 ft / 7.45 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.7%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 197.1%
Waterplane Area: 34,596 Square feet or 3,214 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 119 lbs/sq ft or 583 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.49
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Quoted

Originally posted by Rooijen10
Considering alt_naval's

Quoted

It is only because of the treaty that I have this ship. Given the choice I'd have 2 8000 ton ships instead.

and with the treaty no longer around, it seems more likely Greece would be going for the 8000 ton ships rather than this ~15,600 ton vessel... or am I reading it wrong?

Greece already has twenty light cruisers. Three Psara-class (8x6"), six Athinai-class (8x6" and slow), nine Eurybiades-class (8x5") and four small Leon-class flotilla leaders (6x5").

No 8,000-ton CL can compare to the Italian 16x6" cruisers. Greece already has a fleet larger than the surface fleet of the World War II Kriegsmarine, and they have maybe ten-fifteen million population to support it. Compared to the 1,009 men of a K-Cruiser, a Psara requires 617 crewmen; build two Psaras compared to one K-cruiser, you need 225 more men. Presuming the operating costs of an 8,000-ton cruiser are scalable, then two Psaras require more crew and roughly the same maintenance as a K-cruiser.

[size=3]Konstantinoupolis-II Alternate Study #4, Greek Cruiser laid down 1938[/size]

Displacement:
11,520 t light; 12,047 t standard; 13,543 t normal; 14,741 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
649.23 ft / 639.76 ft x 68.00 ft x 22.70 ft (normal load)
197.88 m / 195.00 m x 20.73 m x 6.92 m

Armament:
12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (4x3 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (6x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (2x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 2,331 lbs / 1,057 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 180
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 425.00 ft / 129.54 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 7.00" / 178 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 80,464 shp / 60,026 Kw = 31.50 kts
Range 11,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,694 tons

Complement:
627 - 816

Cost:
£5.391 million / $21.563 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 291 tons, 2.2 %
Armour: 3,369 tons, 24.9 %
- Belts: 1,239 tons, 9.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 688 tons, 5.1 %
- Armour Deck: 1,369 tons, 10.1 %
- Conning Tower: 73 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,203 tons, 16.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,357 tons, 39.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,023 tons, 14.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
22,608 lbs / 10,255 Kg = 209.3 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 15.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.19

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.480
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.41 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.07 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Mid (77 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (15.00 ft / 4.57 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Stern: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 20.71 ft / 6.31 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 166.0 %
Waterplane Area: 29,593 Square feet or 2,749 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 130 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 118 lbs/sq ft or 576 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.37
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Overall as a concept they are a bit big for my tastes but certainly pack a punch and in a quick draw in the Med it might prove a clincher.
Study 4 looks better, could reduce range a lot though and maybe beef up the deck armour a bit.
The first design is pretty nifty, the 9.2in is a flop really and the 8in not great but good enough for decent CA.

8'' of belt armour is more than the Iron Dukes and the Admiral Hippers...is the plan with those ships to run in, using the armour to deflect heavier shells and then wreaking the enemies upperworks with the faster firing 6'' guns in twin turrets? IMHO, 8'' is too much. I think it could be cut to 6-7'', and the extra weight used on speed.(Like my opinion matters)