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Tuesday, March 16th 2010, 8:05am

Romania 1938

Following the Bulgarian decision to deploy a riverine force on the Danube, Romania was also compelled to design and build a series of river monitors to counter the Bulgarian move. It was decided that a class of 10 should be built, with 5 constructed in 1938 and 5 more constructed in 1939.

M-1, Romania River Monitor laid down 1938

Displacement:
513 t light; 552 t standard; 563 t normal; 572 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
229.66 ft / 229.66 ft x 26.25 ft x 6.56 ft (normal load)
70.00 m / 70.00 m x 8.00 m x 2.00 m

Armament:
2 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns in single mounts, 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 219 lbs / 99 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 149.28 ft / 45.50 m 6.15 ft / 1.87 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.95" / 75 mm 0.98" / 25 mm -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0.39" / 10 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 1,356 shp / 1,011 Kw = 16.00 kts
Range 1,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 20 tons

Complement:
57 - 75

Cost:
£0.260 million / $1.041 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 27 tons, 4.9 %
Armour: 123 tons, 21.9 %
- Belts: 76 tons, 13.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 18 tons, 3.1 %
- Armour Deck: 29 tons, 5.2 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 37 tons, 6.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 275 tons, 48.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 50 tons, 8.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 8.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,303 lbs / 591 Kg = 17.4 x 5.3 " / 135 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 12.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.498
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.75 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 16.67 ft / 5.08 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 10.60 ft / 3.23 m
- Mid (50 %): 10.60 ft / 3.23 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 10.60 ft / 3.23 m
- Stern: 10.60 ft / 3.23 m
- Average freeboard: 11.08 ft / 3.38 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 71.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 142.0 %
Waterplane Area: 4,009 Square feet or 372 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 38 lbs/sq ft or 188 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.88
- Longitudinal: 3.34
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "TheCanadian" (Mar 16th 2010, 8:07am)


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Tuesday, March 16th 2010, 2:06pm

Does Romania want two or three of the Bulgarian ones? I might be tempted to sell...

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Tuesday, March 16th 2010, 4:25pm

Sheesh, overbuilt a little bit did you?

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Tuesday, March 16th 2010, 5:25pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Sheesh, overbuilt a little bit did you?

Who, me? No, I'm happy with what I've got, but I'd rather sell Romania some of them rather than get involved in an arms race on the Danube. I'd have to match both Romania AND Yugoslavia (when I'm only marginally superior to Yugoslavia at present, and inferior in numbers to Romania).

In any case, what happened to all the World War I monitors the Romanians have? Romania already had seven or eight monitors there, which is why I only built five for myself.

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Tuesday, March 16th 2010, 9:18pm

The World War 1 monitors are still there, I just thought I would build some shiny new ones, thats all because Romania is running out of things to build. As well, I am not even sure what the WW1 monitors even look like myself, I am presuming they are former AH ones though. If Bulgaria objects, I could build some minesweeper/layers I suppose.

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Tuesday, March 16th 2010, 10:22pm

I'm not objecting so much as whining. :P The Romanian monitors (I checked, you have seven) are significantly larger and heavier than mine (680 tons), with four armed with 5 x 120mm and three armed with 3-4 x 120mm. I specifically put that force together as I did so that Romania wouldn't need to respond in kind. Romania is apparently doing so anyway, and therefore I am being whiny because my strategy failed. :rolleyes: :P Bulgaria built as many monitors as it did because there is absolutely no hope of replacement or reinforcement during wartime. Romania can bring ships up the river from the sea; Yugoslavia and Hungary have docks; Bulgaria has none of the above. Ah well, c'est l'vie.

Anyways. If you plan on replacing the old ships anyway, might as well do it right.

I think the 135mm DP gun is unnecessary and inappropriate for these craft. The 135mm DP almost certainly has too high a muzzle velocity to be useful for indirect-fire artillery support. Bulgarian monitors are supposed to serve as river-mobile artillery assets for the Army - but these ships, by virtue of their HV guns, are not made to support the army. They *can* do the job, but it's the wrong tool - like using an electric screwdriver to pound in nails.

Historically, in 1941, the Romanian river monitors, despite their old ships, were the creme d'la creme of the Romanian artillery forces. Their boats had been freshly rebuilt within the last four years, and they had artillery spotting teams equipped exclusively with radios; the flotilla, furthermore, had a small marine amphibious battalion that could be landed from the ships to provide protection to the artillery spotting teams. The Danube Monitor Flotilla was also a completely separate division of the Romanian Navy, and most sailors who started in the Riverine Division stayed their for their entire career. Not a force to be trifled with.

If the Riverine Division gets new ships, it should be because the current ones are old, not because the Bulgarians did it. (Though I don't mind being a fashionable trendsetter...) :P

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Wednesday, March 17th 2010, 9:22pm

I thought you knew Brock, that whatever Bulgaria builds, Romania has to also build more of. Anyhow, seeing as apparently the Riverine Flotilla doesn't need reinforcement, perhaps i should turn my attention to building some of these.

MSW 1, Romania Minesweeper laid down 1938

Displacement:
450 t light; 468 t standard; 531 t normal; 582 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
199.45 ft / 196.85 ft x 27.56 ft x 8.20 ft (normal load)
60.79 m / 60.00 m x 8.40 m x 2.50 m

Armament:
2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mount
on centreline forward
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 43 lbs / 20 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,128 shp / 1,588 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 114 tons

Complement:
54 - 71

Cost:
£0.160 million / $0.642 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 5 tons, 1.0 %
Armour: 7 tons, 1.3 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 7 tons, 1.3 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 58 tons, 11.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 180 tons, 33.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 81 tons, 15.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 37.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
732 lbs / 332 Kg = 56.9 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.02
Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 13.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.418
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.14 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 14.03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 7.38 ft / 2.25 m
- Mid (50 %): 7.38 ft / 2.25 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 7.38 ft / 2.25 m
- Stern: 7.38 ft / 2.25 m
- Average freeboard: 7.97 ft / 2.43 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 87.9 %
Waterplane Area: 3,377 Square feet or 314 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 145 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 35 lbs/sq ft or 170 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.94
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Minesweeping weight broken down as follows:

10 tons for hydrophones
20 tons for depth charges
170 tons for minehunting, sweeping, and laying equipment.

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Wednesday, March 17th 2010, 9:34pm

Quoted

Originally posted by TheCanadian
I thought you knew Brock, that whatever Bulgaria builds, Romania has to also build more of.

In that case Poland will gladly give its production facilities or a measly 1% charge in an effort.

As for the design isn't one 100-130mm gun better that two 75mm?

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Wednesday, March 17th 2010, 9:49pm

I wouldn't say the Riverine Divison needs reinforcement; I'd say they need more modern equipment.

Minesweeper looks okay. Why direct drive?

I'd prefer 2x75mm to one of something larger.

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Wednesday, March 17th 2010, 9:51pm

You mean something like this?

MSW 1, Romania Minesweeper laid down 1938

Displacement:
456 t light; 476 t standard; 540 t normal; 591 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
199.45 ft / 196.85 ft x 27.56 ft x 8.20 ft (normal load)
60.79 m / 60.00 m x 8.40 m x 2.50 m

Armament:
1 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns in single mounts, 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose gun in deck mount
on centreline forward
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 58 lbs / 26 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,158 shp / 1,610 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 115 tons

Complement:
55 - 72

Cost:
£0.171 million / $0.684 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 7 tons, 1.3 %
Armour: 6 tons, 1.2 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 6 tons, 1.2 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 59 tons, 10.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 183 tons, 33.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 84 tons, 15.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 37.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
726 lbs / 329 Kg = 17.9 x 4.3 " / 110 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.02
Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 13.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.425
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.14 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 14.03 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 7.38 ft / 2.25 m
- Mid (50 %): 7.38 ft / 2.25 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 7.38 ft / 2.25 m
- Stern: 7.38 ft / 2.25 m
- Average freeboard: 7.97 ft / 2.43 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 86.8 %
Waterplane Area: 3,394 Square feet or 315 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 141 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 35 lbs/sq ft or 173 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.94
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "TheCanadian" (Mar 17th 2010, 9:53pm)


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Wednesday, March 17th 2010, 10:00pm

Would Bulgaria start to whine if I deployed the new monitors to protect the Romanian coastline, only deploying them in the Danube should tensions rise?

Your probably right about the Direct Drive, I think I simply misclicked.

Here's the Monitor design again with 5.9 singles.

M-1, Romania River Monitor laid down 1938

Displacement:
542 t light; 587 t standard; 599 t normal; 608 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
229.66 ft / 229.66 ft x 26.25 ft x 6.56 ft (normal load)
70.00 m / 70.00 m x 8.00 m x 2.00 m

Armament:
2 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 275 lbs / 125 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 149.28 ft / 45.50 m 6.15 ft / 1.87 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.95" / 75 mm 0.98" / 25 mm -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 0.39" / 10 mm, Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 1,426 shp / 1,064 Kw = 16.00 kts
Range 1,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 21 tons

Complement:
59 - 78

Cost:
£0.300 million / $1.202 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 34 tons, 5.7 %
Armour: 129 tons, 21.5 %
- Belts: 76 tons, 12.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 20 tons, 3.3 %
- Armour Deck: 30 tons, 5.0 %
- Conning Tower: 3 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 39 tons, 6.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 289 tons, 48.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 57 tons, 9.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 8.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,255 lbs / 569 Kg = 12.2 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 12.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.85
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.530
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.75 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 16.67 ft / 5.08 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 10.60 ft / 3.23 m
- Mid (50 %): 10.60 ft / 3.23 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 10.60 ft / 3.23 m
- Stern: 10.60 ft / 3.23 m
- Average freeboard: 11.08 ft / 3.38 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 141.3 %
Waterplane Area: 4,129 Square feet or 384 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 40 lbs/sq ft or 194 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.88
- Longitudinal: 3.29
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Wednesday, March 17th 2010, 10:08pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Brockpaine
I wouldn't say the Riverine Divison needs reinforcement; I'd say they need more modern equipment.

Minesweeper looks okay. Why direct drive?

I'd prefer 2x75mm to one of something larger.


I rather one 18kg shell hits that three 6kg ones.


As for the mine layer good ship I'm building similar designs.

As for the monitor.

I was never sold to a 1940's riverine anything bigger that 25tonnes.
5 men with a mortar will seriously mess up a riverine ship.
The ship will have no way to return fire. How will they find the enemy?

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Wednesday, March 17th 2010, 10:13pm

Quoted

Originally posted by TheCanadian
Would Bulgaria start to whine if I deployed the new monitors to protect the Romanian coastline, only deploying them in the Danube should tensions rise?

No fears. Won't really object even if they were regularly deployed on the Danube.

Better design for the role, I think.

Quoted

Originally posted by Marek Gutkowski
The ship will have no way to return fire. How will they find the enemy?

?( They return fire with their guns, and find the enemy like every other artillery unit would: they get a call from a fire controller.

Quoted

Originally posted by Marek Gutkowski

Quoted

I'd prefer 2x75mm to one of something larger.


I rather one 18kg shell hits that three 6kg ones.

For antiship work, maybe. If you're using minesweepers for antiship work, then you have bigger problems.

Using a 110mm gun instead of more numerous 75mm AA guns is kinda silly, in my opinion. More guns with better ROF = more likely hits on aircraft or MTBs. A 75mm shell will tear apart either of those just as efficiently as a 110mm shell, and with more shells in the air, is more likely to produce results.

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Wednesday, March 17th 2010, 10:21pm

I always liked the Soviet BKA riverboats, perhaps an idea for the expansion of riverine forces..

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Wednesday, March 17th 2010, 10:22pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Vukovlad
I always liked the Soviet BKA riverboats, perhaps an idea for the expansion of riverine forces..

Yugoslavia has a few they bought from Mexico.

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Wednesday, March 17th 2010, 10:26pm

Usually the minesweeper/layers are sent with some sort of escort as well, some destroyers/torpedo boats/MTB's, they can deal with anything that gets too close to the MSW's.

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Wednesday, March 17th 2010, 10:34pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Brockpaine

Quoted

Originally posted by Vukovlad
I always liked the Soviet BKA riverboats, perhaps an idea for the expansion of riverine forces..

Yugoslavia has a few they bought from Mexico.


None that are listed in the encyclopedia....

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Wednesday, March 17th 2010, 10:37pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Vukovlad
None that are listed in the encyclopedia....

Tell me about it. *Raises eyebrow at Foxy, who hasn't done his Q3/1937 Yugoslavia report yet.*

They're listed as "BKA-1" and "BKA-2" in the Q2/37 report, though. Presume more have been built.

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Thursday, March 25th 2010, 8:37am

With the scrapping of the Marasti class destroyers, and the rerating of the former Austrian DDs, the Vifors as fast minelayers, the Romanian navy will have used up 27,560 light tons of the available 32,000 tons under the Constantinople treaty (4 vr 30s, 4 vr 31s, 4 vr 32s), the Romanian Navy has 4,440 tons left available under the treaty. It was decided in 1938 to build 4 1,100 ton destroyers based off the Peggy Brown torpedo boats built by Poland and Yugoslavia in the early 1930s. They were designed to act as leaders for the future Romanian torpedo boat and MTB squadrons to be built in the near future. Although displacing 40 tons over the allowable destroyer tonnage, the Romanians would officially rate them as 1,100 tons until the termination of the treaty in 1941.

vr 33, Romania Destroyers laid down 1938

Displacement:
1,120 t light; 1,168 t standard; 1,270 t normal; 1,351 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
378.82 ft / 367.45 ft x 31.17 ft x 9.35 ft (normal load)
115.46 m / 112.00 m x 9.50 m x 2.85 m

Armament:
3 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns in single mounts, 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1931 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, majority aft
4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
10 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 173 lbs / 79 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
8 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 29,728 shp / 22,177 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 3,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 183 tons

Complement:
106 - 138

Cost:
£0.808 million / $3.234 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 22 tons, 1.7 %
Machinery: 614 tons, 48.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 434 tons, 34.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 149 tons, 11.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 3.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
468 lbs / 212 Kg = 11.5 x 4.3 " / 110 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
Roll period: 10.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.21
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.415
Length to Beam Ratio: 11.79 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.83 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Stern: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 14.53 ft / 4.43 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 174.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 76.0 %
Waterplane Area: 7,387 Square feet or 686 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 69 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 144 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 1.89
- Overall: 0.57
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Thursday, March 25th 2010, 1:36pm

Purdy...

Do think a extra 4.33'' gun would be better than the 4 2.56'' guns.