Chilean Panzergrenadier Division

The Shadow

Tuesday, January 12th 2010, 9:05pm

Rather than post it in the encyclopedia and have to change it once yall have chewed it up... Comments, please.

This is being accomplished by converting a cavalry division. Accopanying the change (per the Q1 news) will be a reduction in the size of the infantry divisions to make them handle better in mountain warfare.

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Panzergrenadiers Squad:
- 1 Corporal: SMG
- 8 privates: 1 LMG, 1 SMG, 6 rifles
- 1 Halftrack Infantry Carrier
- Total: 9 men, 2 SMGs, 1 LMG, 6 rifles

Panzergrenadiers Platoon:
- 4 panzergrenadier squads: 9 men, 1 halftrack
- 1 command squad: 1 lieutenant (SMG), 1 sergeant (carbine), 2 runners (2 carbines), 2 Pierce-Arrow Geeps and 2 motorcycles
- Total: 40 men, 4 LMGs, 9 SMGs, 4 halftracks, 2 Geeps, 2 motorcycles

Panzergrenadiers Company:
- 3 panzergrenadiers platoons: 40 men, 4 halftracks
- 1 command squad: 1 company CO, 1 company XO, 1 company first sergeant, 4 messengers (4 carbines, 4 motorcycles), machine-gun squad (8 men, 3 medium machine guns)
- Total: 135 men, 17 halftracks

Panzergrenadiers Battalion:
- 3 panzergrenadiers companies: 135 men, 17 halftracks
- 1 weapons company: 187 men, 16 halftracks, 8 armoured ammo carriers, 2 armoured artillery tractors
- 1 command platoon: 23 men, 3 armoured command vehicles
- Total: 615 men, 3 armoured command vehicles, 67 halftracks, 8 armoured ammo carriers, 2 armoured artillery tractors

Panzergrenadiers Regiment:
- 1 Regimental HQ: 90 men
- 3 panzergrenadiers battalions: 615 men, 3 armoured command vehicles, 67 halftracks, 8 armoured ammo carriers, 2 armoured artillery tractors
- 1 assault gun squadron: 1 armoured command vehicle, 12 assault guns, 3 motorcycles, 1 GPV, 2 repair trucks, 4 supplies and ammo trucks, 119 men
- 1 Supplies Company: 169 men (includes Supplies Platoon, Signal Platoon, Engineer Platoon, and Field Kitchen)
- 1 AA company: 135 men, 8x20mm AA, 4x40mm AA guns, 12 armoured artillery tractors
- 1 self-propelled artillery battalion: 611 men, 24 self-propelled guns
- 1 Field Hospital: 135 men, 8 armoured field ambulances
- 1 Regimental Column
- Total: 3,104 men, 10 armoured command vehicles, 12 assault guns, 24 self-propelled howitzers, 201 halftracks, 24 armoured ammo carriers, 19 armoured artillery tractors, 8 field ambulances, 12 AA guns

Panzergrenadier Division:
- 1 Division HQ: 120 men
- 1 Armoured Regiment: 1,707 men, 24 ACVs, 108 tanks
- 2 Panzergrenadiers Regiment: 3,104 men, 201 halftracks
- 2 Mobile Artillery Battalions: 611 men, 24 self-propelled guns
- 1 AAMG Platoon: 66 men, 12 AAMGs
- 1 AA Gun Platoon: 66 men, 3 76.2mm AA guns
- 1 Supplies Company: 169 men
- 2 Engineer Companies: 247 men each
- 2 Signal Companies: 247 men each
- 2 Field Hospitals: 150 men each
- Total: 10,846 men

Battalion Weapons Company:
- 1 machinegun platoon: 12xHMGs, 66 men, 8 halftracks
- 1 mortar platoon: 57 men, 4x120mm mortars, 4 halftracks, 4 ammo halftracks
- 1 AT platoon: 33 men, 3x37mm AT guns, 3x20mm AT rifles (Solothurn S-18/1000), 4 halftracks.
- 1 Mountain Gun section: 31 men, 2x76.2mm mountain howitzers, 2 artillery mover halftracks, 4 armoured ammo carriers
- Total: 187 men, 16 halftracks, 8 armoured ammo carriers, 2 armoured artillery tractors

The Armoured Regiment attached to this division:

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Armoured Troop:
- 4 tanks: 5 crew each
- Total: 20 men, 4 tanks

Armoured Squadron:
- 3 Tank troops: 4 tanks each, 20 men
- 1 Command Squad: 9 men, 1 armoured command vehicle, 3 motorcycles, 1 GPV
- 1 Supplies Platoon: 4 trucks, 32 men
- 1 Engineer Squad: 9 men
- 1 Repairmen Squad: 9 men each, 2 Repair trucks each
- Total: 1 armoured command vehicle, 12 regular tanks, 3 motorcycles, 1 GPV, 2 repair trucks, 4 supplies and ammo trucks, 119 men

Armoured Battalion:
- 3 armoured squadrons: 1 armoured command vehicle, 12 regular tanks, 3 motorcycles, 1 GPV, 2 repair trucks, 4 supplies and ammo trucks, 119 men
- 1 tank destroyer squadron: 1 armoured command vehicle, 12 tank destroyers, 3 motorcycles, 1 GPV, 2 repair trucks, 4 supplies and ammo trucks, 119 men
- 1 battalion HQ: 4 command vehicles, 1 CO, 1 XO, 1 NCO, 20 men
- Total: 499 men, 8 ACVs, 36 tanks, 12 motorcycles, 4 GPVs, 12 tank destroyers, 24 trucks

Armoured Regiment:
- 1 Regimental HQ: 90 men (Command Office and Supplies Office)
- 3 armoured battalions: 499 men, 8 ACVs, 36 tanks, 12 motorcycles, 4 GPVs, 12 tank destroyers, 24 trucks
- 1 Supplies Company: 120 men (includes Supplies Platoon, Signal Platoon, Engineer Platoon, and Field Kitchen)
- 1 Regimental Column
- Total: 1,707 men, 24 ACVs, 108 tanks, 36 motorcycles, 12 GPVs, 36 tank destroyers, 72+ trucks

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Tuesday, January 12th 2010, 9:26pm

Makes sense to post initial units here.

1 - Not sure about the Geeps at platoon level, they'd be soft targets to take out quickly.

2 - What's the difference, in the Chilean army, between an MMG and an HMG? The number of HMGs at battalion seems excessive, and 66 men is a VERY big platoon.

3 - There's a LOT of self-propelled guns in this organization. 120 artillery tubes, not counting mortars, is a LOT for a division.

4 - You're probably better off moving the artillery battalions currently assigned to the regiments up to division, it increases your artillery flexibility.

5 - No mortars smaller than 120mm? Rather odd for the period (and even now).

6 - Support units at the armoured squadron level are kind of odd, I'd expect those much more at battalion or regiment.

7 - I'd suggest you paint large bullseyes on the company-level ACVs, they're going to be PRIME targets. Most company command units at this period are normal tanks, perhaps with an extra radio.

8 - What are GPVs?

9 - The tank destroyer squadron as part of the armoured battalion: uhm, why? Are your tanks not up to destroying other tanks? Are you short on money? What's the reasoning here?

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Brockpaine

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Tuesday, January 12th 2010, 9:46pm

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Makes sense to post initial units here.

1 - Not sure about the Geeps at platoon level, they'd be soft targets to take out quickly.

Can be removed.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
2 - What's the difference, in the Chilean army, between an MMG and an HMG? The number of HMGs at battalion seems excessive, and 66 men is a VERY big platoon.

Medium MG is an Atlantean Bolo-Thirty (7mm tripod-mounted MG); HMG is a Bolo Fifty (.50cal MG). Looking back I wonder if the MMGs need more crewmen.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
3 - There's a LOT of self-propelled guns in this organization. 120 artillery tubes, not counting mortars, is a LOT for a division.

Cut by 2/3rds or so?

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
4 - You're probably better off moving the artillery battalions currently assigned to the regiments up to division, it increases your artillery flexibility.

Can do.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
5 - No mortars smaller than 120mm? Rather odd for the period (and even now).

Um... ought to be some 81mm mortars there... somewhere... I think...

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
6 - Support units at the armoured squadron level are kind of odd, I'd expect those much more at battalion or regiment.

Will be moved.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
7 - I'd suggest you paint large bullseyes on the company-level ACVs, they're going to be PRIME targets. Most company command units at this period are normal tanks, perhaps with an extra radio.

That's precisely what the Chileans call an ACV.

Those boxy boxes on treads are just plain command vehicles to me.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
8 - What are GPVs?

AKA Geeps or General Purpose Vehicles

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
9 - The tank destroyer squadron as part of the armoured battalion: uhm, why? Are your tanks not up to destroying other tanks? Are you short on money? What's the reasoning here?

I have no idea. I blame it on the monkeys. Will be removed and replaced with a scout/armoured car unit at the regimental level.

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Tuesday, January 12th 2010, 10:05pm

For MMGs, with a carrier vehicle, you can perhaps get away with 2 men per weapon, though 3-4 would be better.

I'd cut the artillery by around 2/3rds or so and add some mortars.

If ACVs = tanks, I wouldn't call them out, or I'd call them command tanks.

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perdedor99

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Tuesday, January 12th 2010, 10:52pm

My two cents.

1) 81mm mortars at the battalion weapons company.

2) the self propelled seems too much, maybe half of them only motorized. IMO close to 2/3 of the original number should be ok in regard to artillery. And I agree to move all the artillery to divisional.

3) I can see Chile having their own version of the US armor ideas; the tanks are for breakthroughs, the tank destroyers to deal with the enemy tanks if they ever encounter them.

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Tuesday, January 12th 2010, 11:32pm

I'm a bit taken aback by the fact that the idea is to self-propel all the divisions artillery as well. I know the OTL German panzer divisions didn't manage that, and I'm not sure the US armored divisions did either (though they were certainly motorized). 80 indirect-fire artillery tubes still seems excessive, given that the WW German divisions have only 72.

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Brockpaine

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Tuesday, January 12th 2010, 11:44pm

I'll still go back and redo the panzergrenadiers (later tonight) but here's the new infantry formations. Perdedor suggest to me some time back that I move the infantry division's artillery and other supporting arms down to the regiments so they are more handy as alpine troops.

Artillery is mainly light, with all the guns above 105mm concentrated at the divisional level.

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Infantry Squad:
- 1 Corporal: SMG
- 8 privates: 1 LMG, 1 SMG, 6 rifles
- Total: 9 men, 2 SMGs, 1 LMG, 6 rifles

Infantry Platoon:
- 4 rifle squads: 9 men each
- 1 command squad: 1 lieutenant (SMG), 1 sergeant (carbine), 2 runners (2 carbines)
- Total: 40 men, 4 LMGs, 9 SMGs

Infantry Company:
- 1 company commander: pistol
- 3 rifle platoons: 40 men
- 1 command squad: 4 messengers (4 carbines), gas protection section (4 men, 4 rifles), antitank squad (10 men, 4 AT rifles/satchel charges, 1 horse). 18 men total.
- Total: 139 men

Infantry Battalion:
- 3 infantry companies: 139 men each
- 1 machinegun platoon: 12xHMGs, 80 men
- 1 Cazadores platoon: 40 men
- 1 mortar platoon: 57 men and 4x81mm mortars
- 1 battalion HQ: 6 men
- 1 battalion commander
- Total: 601 men, 4 mortars, 12 HMGs

Infantry Regiment:
- 1 Regimental Commander
- 1 Regimental HQ: 12 men (Command Office and Supplies Office)
- 1 Supplies Company: 169 men (includes Signal Platoon and Field Kitchen)
- 3 Infantry Battalions: 601 men
- 1 Artillery Battalion: 591 men, 24 guns (mainly 3", usually mountain guns)
- 1 Mortar Company: 83 men, 4x81mm mortars
- 1 Engineering Company: 247 men
- 1 Regimental Column
- Total: 2,906 men + regimental column

Infantry Division (Army of ___):
- 1 Division Commander
- 1 Division HQ: 40 men
- 3 Infantry Regiments: 2,906 men
- 1 Light Detachment: 1 Cazadores company (179 men), 1 cavalry company (179 men), 1 MG platoon (80 men)
- 1 Divisional Heavy Artillery Battalion: 671 men, 24 heavy guns
- 1 AT Gun Battery: 8 AT guns, 114 men
- 1 AAMG Platoon: 80 men, 12 AAMGs
- 1 AA Gun Platoon: 66 men, 3 75mm AA guns
- 1 Supplies Company: 169 men
- 1 Engineering Company: 247 men
- 2 Signal Companies: 247 men each
- 2 Field Hospitals: 150 men each
- Total: 11,338 men

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Brockpaine

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Tuesday, January 12th 2010, 11:53pm

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Originally posted by perdedor99
3) I can see Chile having their own version of the US armor ideas; the tanks are for breakthroughs, the tank destroyers to deal with the enemy tanks if they ever encounter them.

The Chilean tank destroyers are a bit of an orphan unit. They were only purchased because Chile needed more vehicles but wasn't happy with what was on the market in late 1936. Atlantis showed off the pre-production AT-36 and AT-37, and Chile said "We'll wait, but let's get some tank destroyers in case those designs flop."

I think I'd talked seriously about a halftrack order before the Peruvian War, but I don't recall who I ordered them from. Or if I ordered them.

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Brockpaine

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Wednesday, January 13th 2010, 1:36am

Same song second verse.

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Armoured Troop:
- 4 tanks: 5 crew each
- Total: 20 men, 4 tanks

Armoured Squadron:
- 3 Tank troops: 4 tanks each, 20 men
- 1 Command Squad: 9 men, 1 commander's tank, 3 motorcycles
- Total: 1 commander's tank, 12 regular tanks, 3 motorcycles, 69 men

Armoured Battalion:
- 3 armoured squadrons: 1 commander's tank, 12 regular tanks, 3 motorcycles, 69 men
- 1 supplies and repair company: 160 men + repair, ammo, and fuel trucks
- 1 battalion HQ: 1 CO, 1 XO, 1 NCO, 20 men
- Total: 391 men, 36 tanks + 3 commander's tanks

Armoured Regiment:
- 1 Regimental HQ: 90 men (Command Office and Supplies Office)
- 3 armoured battalions: 391 men, 36 tanks + 3 commander's tanks
- 1 Supplies Company: 120 men (includes Supplies Platoon, Signal Platoon, Engineer Platoon, and Field Kitchen)
- 1 armoured engineering squadron: 172 men with bridging equipment, armoured recovery vehicles, and minesweeper vehicles
- 1 Regimental Column
- Total: 1,555 men, 9 commander's tanks, 108 tanks + support vehicles

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Panzergrenadiers Squad:
- 1 Corporal: SMG
- 8 privates: 1 LMG, 1 SMG, 6 rifles
- 1 Halftrack Infantry Carrier
- Total: 9 men, 2 SMGs, 1 LMG, 6 rifles

Panzergrenadiers Platoon:
- 4 panzergrenadier squads: 9 men, 1 halftrack
- 1 command squad: 1 lieutenant (SMG), 1 sergeant (carbine), 2 runners (2 carbines), 2 motorcycles
- Total: 40 men, 4 LMGs, 9 SMGs, 4 halftracks, 2 motorcycles

Panzergrenadiers Company:
- 3 panzergrenadiers platoons: 40 men, 4 halftracks
- 1 command squad: 1 company CO, 1 company XO, 1 company first sergeant, 4 messengers (4 carbines, 4 motorcycles), machine-gun squad (10 men, 3 Bolo-30 medium machine guns, 2 halftracks)
- Total: 135 men, 14 halftracks

Panzergrenadiers Battalion:
- 3 panzergrenadiers companies: 135 men, 14 halftracks
- 1 weapons company: 161 men, 16 halftracks, 8 armoured ammo carriers, 2 armoured artillery tractors
- 1 command platoon: 23 men, 3 halftracks
- Total: 589 men, 61 halftracks, 8 armoured ammo carriers, 2 armoured artillery tractors

Weapons Company:
- 1 machinegun platoon: 8xHMGs, 40 men, 6 halftracks
- 1 mortar platoon: 57 men, 4x81mm+2x120mm mortars, 6 halftracks, 4 ammo halftracks
- 1 AT platoon: 33 men, 3x37mm AT guns, 3x20mm AT rifles (Solothurn S-18/1000), 4 halftracks.
- 1 Mountain Gun section: 31 men, 2x76.2mm mountain howitzers, 2 artillery mover halftracks, 4 armoured ammo carriers
- Total: 161 men, 16 halftracks, 8 armoured ammo carriers, 2 armoured artillery tractors

Panzergrenadiers Regiment:
- 1 Regimental HQ: 90 men
- 3 panzergrenadiers battalions: 589 men, 61 halftracks, 8 armoured ammo carriers, 2 armoured artillery tractors
- 1 assault gun squadron: 1 armoured command vehicle, 12 assault guns, 3 motorcycles, 1 GPV, 2 repair trucks, 4 supplies and ammo trucks, 119 men
- 1 Supplies Company: 169 men (includes Supplies Platoon, Signal Platoon, Engineer Platoon, and Field Kitchen)
- 1 AA company: 135 men, 8x20mm AA, 4x40mm AA guns, 12 armoured artillery tractors
- 1 Field Hospital: 135 men, 8 armoured field ambulances
- 1 Regimental Column
- Total: 2,415 men, 12 assault guns, 183 halftracks, 24 armoured ammo carriers, 19 armoured artillery tractors, 8 field ambulances, 12 AA guns

Panzergrenadier Division
- 1 Division HQ: 120 men
- 1 Armoured Regiment: 1,555 men, 9 commander's tanks, 108 tanks + support vehicles
- 2 Panzergrenadiers Regiment: 2,415 men, 183 halftracks
- 1 Artillery Regiment: 2,002 men, 72 guns, regimental column
- 1 Scouting/Armoured Car Battalion: 391 men, 39 armoured cars
- 1 AAMG Platoon: 40 men, 8 AAMGs
- 1 AA Gun Platoon: 66 men, 3x76.2mm AA guns
- 1 Supplies Company: 169 men
- 2 Engineer Companies: 247 men each
- 2 Signal Companies: 247 men each
- 2 Field Hospitals: 150 men each
- Total: 10,461 men, 108+9 tanks, 39 armoured cars, 366 halftracks

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Wednesday, January 13th 2010, 3:03am

On the infantry division, 96 tubes is a LOT of tubes, especially for a quasi-mountain division. I'm not sure about the idea of the regiments having the organic artillery battalion, that's going to mean that more difficulties supporting divisional operations or supporting other regiments. I'd have suggested more mortars and fewer mountain guns, they're lighter, more mobile, and generally as useful.

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Wednesday, January 13th 2010, 12:24pm

My recommendation derived from the terrain. The Andes makes almost impossible for the different units to support each other so units need to be self sufficient. They are divisions tailor-made for the Andes, I agree that in any other enviroment they will be too clumsy and difficult to have join operations due to the same reasoning of making them selfsufficient units.

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Wednesday, January 13th 2010, 12:58pm

I agree with the terrain issues making larger operations difficult.

Wearing my German hat, I'd still suggest keeping the artillery units at divisional level, with the expectation that when operating in the mountains, a portion of the artillery regiment would be assigned to an infantry regiment and operate with it. Essentially a regimental kampfgruppe.

Looking at it, the infantry regiment has 16 81mm mortars and 24 guns (plus whatever guns are assigned from division). That's not a really good balance, IMO, given that guns are harder to move and generally have less effective HE projectiles with similar sized rounds. I also find it odd for period that there are no lighter mortars at all: nothing in the 45-60mm range, which is a common size for the period (see the Italian, German, British, Belgian, French, Russian, Japanese, etc period mortars for examples).

IMO, in general, because of the difficulties of transport (not just of the guns themselves but also of sufficient ammunition to be useful), a mountain division should be equipped more lightly with artillery than a normal infantry division. If everything has to be carried on man or animal back, as opposed to being towed behind a truck, tractor, or team of animals, lighter is better because it's far more likely to be where it's useful as opposed to stuck well behind the lines.

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perdedor99

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Wednesday, January 13th 2010, 1:44pm

My original recommendation was for the Chilean mountain divisions only. Looking more in depth into the organization of the "new" infantry divisions I can see they are not mountain perse. They are more akin to the Italian motorizable divisions; they could be mountain divisions but they are not.

So I agree with Hrolf that artillery for this divisions should be at divisional level with provisions to divide the artillery between the regiments if fighting in the Andes or difficult terrain. Also think artillery is too much. I think they count is 108 tubes but I could be wrong.

They are IMO neither regular infantry divisions or mountain divisions. Too heavy for the role of mountain and their artillery too dispersed to be used in the role of regular infantry.

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Vukovlad

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Wednesday, January 13th 2010, 1:51pm

Considering the Chilean geography I wonder if the Chilaen army wouldn´s be better served with having divisions as an administrativ unit and have brigades as the main manouveur unit

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Wednesday, January 13th 2010, 1:52pm

They look kind of like the original German Jaeger divisions, meant to fight alongside the mountain divisions but not to be mountain divisions themselves. Yeah, I get a count of 108 artillery tubes as well.

Re: using brigades as the manuever unit - they certainly could, though it's fairly uncommon at this period to do that. If they did go to brigades, I don't know that I would bother with divisions at that point, just drop divisions entirely and use corps of 4-5 brigades vs 2-4 divisions.

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Wednesday, January 13th 2010, 1:56pm

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Considering the Chilean geography I wonder if the Chilaen army wouldn´s be better served with having divisions as an administrativ unit and have brigades as the main manouveur unit

That is an idea to take into consideration. My concern is that in case of having to fight with allies they will be very underpowered if compared to their allies' divisional units.

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Vukovlad

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Wednesday, January 13th 2010, 2:26pm

I dont really see that as a problem other than that it would require a different kind of Army organization with support formations being independent or Division/Corps assets that are attached as need arises. Ofcourse this assumes that the Chilean Army will not be called upon to operate in support of
FAR outside South America, is there any Chilean obligations towards Argentina?

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Wednesday, January 13th 2010, 5:36pm

Grar, forum ate my last post! To make things worse, my work file inexplicably didn't save changes, either.

Following Hrolf's advice here and moved the guns higher, and replaced them with a large mortar unit. The infantry battalion exchanged 81mm mortars for 50-60mm mortars - though I'd like to note I've not bought any mortars since I've played Chile, and don't know what artillery I have.

I went back to the artillery regiment at the divisional level.

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Infantry Squad:
- 1 Corporal: SMG
- 8 privates: 1 LMG, 1 SMG, 6 rifles
- Total: 9 men, 2 SMGs, 1 LMG, 6 rifles

Infantry Platoon:
- 4 rifle squads: 9 men each
- 1 command squad: 1 lieutenant (SMG), 1 sergeant (carbine), 2 runners (2 carbines)
- Total: 40 men, 4 LMGs, 9 SMGs

Infantry Company:
- 1 company commander: pistol
- 3 rifle platoons: 40 men
- 1 command squad: 4 messengers (4 carbines), gas protection section (4 men, 4 rifles), antitank squad (10 men, 4 AT rifles/satchel charges, 1 horse). 18 men total.
- Total: 139 men

Infantry Battalion:
- 3 infantry companies: 139 men each
- 1 machinegun platoon: 8xMGs, 40 men
- 1 Cazadores platoon: 40 men
- 1 mortar platoon: 57 men and 8x60mm mortars
- 1 battalion HQ: 6 men
- 1 battalion commander
- Total: 561 men, 8 mortars, 8 MGs

Infantry Regiment:
- 1 Regimental Commander
- 1 Regimental HQ: 12 men (Command Office and Supplies Office)
- 1 Supplies Company: 169 men (includes Signal Platoon and Field Kitchen)
- 3 Infantry Battalions: 561 men, 8x60mm mortars, 8 MGs
- 1 Mortar Battalion: 425 men, 24x81mm mortars, 12x120mm mortars
- 1 Engineering Company: 247 men
- 1 Regimental Column
- Total: 2,537 men + regimental column (24x60mm mortars, 24x81mm mortars, 12x120mm mortars)

Mortar Battalion:
- 2 81mm Mortar Batteries: 68 men, 12 mortars each
- 1 120mm Mortar Battery: 80 men, 12 mortars
- 1 Supplies Company: 169 men
- 1 Battalion HQ/Communications: 40 men
- Total: 425 men, 24x81mm mortars, 12x120mm mortars

Infantry Division (Army of ___):
- 1 Division Commander
- 1 Division HQ: 40 men
- 3 Infantry Regiments: 2,537 men
- 1 Light Detachment: 1 Cazadores company (179 men), 1 cavalry company (179 men), 1 MG platoon (40 men)
- 1 Artillery Regiment: 2,002 men, 72 guns, regimental column
- 1 AT Gun Battery: 8 AT guns, 114 men
- 1 AAMG Platoon: 80 men, 12 AAMGs
- 1 AA Gun Platoon: 66 men, 3 75mm AA guns
- 1 Supplies Company: 169 men
- 1 Engineering Company: 247 men
- 2 Signal Companies: 247 men each
- 2 Field Hospitals: 150 men each
- Total: 10,851 men, 72 artillery, 8 AT guns, 180 mortars

In response to Vukovlad's comment about using brigades instead of divisions - I've very seriously considered doing just that, based on what I did for the Irish. Brigades composed of six infantry battalions and supporting arms, with about 4-6,000 men apiece.

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Wednesday, January 13th 2010, 6:15pm

Mortars are VERY simple weapons, and France is a world leader in them at this period.

Myself, I'd suggest cutting the number of 60mm mortars at battalion (but not the number of men), since you're going to be having to man-pack ammunition and the weapons at least part of the time. 4-6 mortars at battalion is probably enough, 81mm weapons would be an option as well. You could trade the AT team at company for another 60mm or two as well, not many tanks in the mountains and their routes are quite predictable.

The mortar battalion at regiment is probably overkill: unless the regiment is in very close order (fairly unusual in mountain combat), the 81mm's won't be able to reach to support lots of the regiment if they're centrally deployed. I'd drop the 81mms here and perhaps replace them with some HMGs and maybe some AT rifles if the company AT rifles were replaced by mortars.

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Wednesday, January 13th 2010, 6:51pm

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
The mortar battalion at regiment is probably overkill: unless the regiment is in very close order (fairly unusual in mountain combat), the 81mm's won't be able to reach to support lots of the regiment if they're centrally deployed. I'd drop the 81mms here and perhaps replace them with some HMGs and maybe some AT rifles if the company AT rifles were replaced by mortars.

So if I drop the 81mm mortars there... where else do I have 81mm mortars?

I thought 81mm mortars were the standard.

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