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CV 1
Fokker, Netherlands CV laid down 1938

Displacement:
26,699 t light; 27,542 t standard; 32,413 t normal; 36,310 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
742.38 ft / 721.78 ft x 82.02 ft (Bulges 91.86 ft) x 28.71 ft (normal load)
226.28 m / 220.00 m x 25.00 m (Bulges 28.00 m) x 8.75 m

Armament:
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns (4x2 guns), 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns in single mounts, 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
20 - 0.91" / 23.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.37lbs / 0.17kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,023 lbs / 464 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 300

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 485.56 ft / 148.00 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 236.19 ft / 71.99 m 10.86 ft / 3.31 m
Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1.57" / 40 mm 485.56 ft / 148.00 m 24.74 ft / 7.54 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.98" / 25 mm 0.98" / 25 mm
2nd: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.98" / 25 mm -
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm 0.83" / 21 mm -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 3.35" / 85 mm, Conning tower: 1.57" / 40 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 168,897 shp / 125,997 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 21,650nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,768 tons

Complement:
1,207 - 1,570

Cost:
£9.522 million / $38.088 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 128 tons, 0.4 %
Armour: 4,808 tons, 14.8 %
- Belts: 1,204 tons, 3.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 700 tons, 2.2 %
- Armament: 87 tons, 0.3 %
- Armour Deck: 2,783 tons, 8.6 %
- Conning Tower: 34 tons, 0.1 %
Machinery: 4,625 tons, 14.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,638 tons, 29.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,714 tons, 17.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 7,500 tons, 23.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
50,136 lbs / 22,741 Kg = 841.3 x 4.9 " / 125 mm shells or 6.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 18.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.596
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.86 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.93 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 24.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 31.53 ft / 9.61 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 31.53 ft / 9.61 m
- Mid (50 %): 31.53 ft / 9.61 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 31.53 ft / 9.61 m
- Stern: 31.53 ft / 9.61 m
- Average freeboard: 31.53 ft / 9.61 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 223.7 %
Waterplane Area: 44,955 Square feet or 4,176 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 144 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 125 lbs/sq ft or 612 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 2.00
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

LxB = 220mx 25m=5,500 / 70 =78.5


Misc : SQRT (6084) = 78 aircraft
The 1416 tons extra misc are
100 tons ATC/ fire control
100 tons 'electronics'
100 tons fire fighting and ventilation for hangers
100 tons flag officers quarters

400 tons "spares"
616 tons for growth

Ship bunkerage is 16,650nm, the additional 5,100nm of fuel (1,271t) is additional avgas.

Weaponry is arranged with 4 twin 125mm mounts fore/aft of the island, and the remaining 8 single mounts in galleries below the flight deck fore and aft, much like CV 6's 5" guns.

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CV-2
van Meel, Netherlands CVA laid down 1938

Displacement:
28,000 t light; 28,872 t standard; 33,846 t normal; 37,825 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
840.08 ft / 820.21 ft x 82.02 ft (Bulges 91.86 ft) x 26.25 ft (normal load)
256.06 m / 250.00 m x 25.00 m (Bulges 28.00 m) x 8.00 m

Armament:
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns (4x2 guns), 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns in single mounts, 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
20 - 0.91" / 23.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.37lbs / 0.17kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,023 lbs / 464 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 300

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.95" / 75 mm 643.04 ft / 196.00 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 173.85 ft / 52.99 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
3.31 ft / 1.01 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 1.97" / 50 mm 643.04 ft / 196.00 m 23.33 ft / 7.11 m
Main Belt covers 121 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1.57" / 40 mm 643.04 ft / 196.00 m 24.74 ft / 7.54 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.98" / 25 mm 0.98" / 25 mm
2nd: 1.57" / 40 mm 0.98" / 25 mm -
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm 0.83" / 21 mm -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 4.13" / 105 mm, Conning tower: 1.57" / 40 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 148,019 shp / 110,422 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 20,850nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,953 tons

Complement:
1,246 - 1,621

Cost:
£9.328 million / $37.310 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 128 tons, 0.4 %
Armour: 7,313 tons, 21.6 %
- Belts: 2,346 tons, 6.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 927 tons, 2.7 %
- Armament: 86 tons, 0.3 %
- Armour Deck: 3,918 tons, 11.6 %
- Conning Tower: 35 tons, 0.1 %
Machinery: 4,053 tons, 12.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,506 tons, 31.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,846 tons, 17.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 6,000 tons, 17.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
66,669 lbs / 30,240 Kg = 1,118.7 x 4.9 " / 125 mm shells or 9.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 17.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.71

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.599
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.93 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 32.63 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 24.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.89 ft / 9.11 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 29.89 ft / 9.11 m
- Mid (50 %): 29.89 ft / 9.11 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 29.89 ft / 9.11 m
- Stern: 29.89 ft / 9.11 m
- Average freeboard: 29.89 ft / 9.11 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 234.1 %
Waterplane Area: 51,232 Square feet or 4,760 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 151 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 126 lbs/sq ft or 616 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.33
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

LxB = 270mx 25m=6,750 / 70 =96.4
Hanger = 196m x 25m = 4900 / 70 = 70

Misc : SQRT (4900) = 70 aircraft
The 1100 tons extra misc are
100 tons ATC/ fire control
100 tons 'electronics'
200 tons fire fighting and ventilation for hangers
100 tons flag officers quarters

400 tons "spares"
200tons for growth

Ship bunkerage is 16,650nm, the additional 4,200nm of fuel (968t) is additional avgas.

Hangers are in a 50mm "Box" , 196m long, with a 65mm roof, intended to exclude GP bombs and common shell. Armor deck is 40mm, to stop shell splinters and chunks that penetrate the "deck".

Weaponry is arranged with 4 twin 125mm mounts fore/aft of the island, and the remaining 8 single mounts in galleries below the flight deck fore and aft, much like CV 6's 5" guns.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
I express a preference for the larger flight deck of the CV2; as Red Admiral is extremely fond of pointing out, it has good growth potential, though we don't of course know that at present.

I was not aware we were adding range to simulate avgas bunkers. That ought to be accounted for elsewhere, IMHO.

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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
The Essex was 265m, and had larger hangers with a larger airgroup. My armored carrier has a large armored hanger to accomodate the airgroup, which made it heavy, so I made it long.

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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
A valid point for discussion though. RA has muttered something about there should be more avgas allowance on carriers. Seemed a good way to deal with it.

Personally, I'm thinking the formula for carrier loadouts likely needs changing. Some large fixed tonnage to be a "carrier" and then the SQRT equation. As it is, smaller carriers can be more efficient, when OTL, larger carriers saw the efficiencies. Elevators, repair shops, arresting cables, catapults, ventilation...all are pretty much fixed regardless of airgroup size. Yet 10 planes is 100 tons, and 50 planes is 2500 tons...25x more for 5x more aircraft. Somethings fishy.

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I was not aware we were adding range to simulate avgas bunkers. That ought to be accounted for elsewhere, IMHO.