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hul0054

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Tuesday, December 15th 2009, 1:01am

Tago Class Destroyers

http://denodon.deviantart.com/art/Tago-C…royer-113623338 for drawing

Tago Class, RSR Destroyer laid down 1919

Displacement:
1,898 t light; 1,944 t standard; 1,984 t normal; 2,015 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(425.84 ft / 420.00 ft) x 30.00 ft x (9.50 / 9.62 ft)
(129.80 m / 128.02 m) x 9.14 m x (2.90 / 2.93 m)

Armament:
1 - 4.72" / 120 mm 45.0 cal gun - 53.18lbs / 24.12kg shells, 220 per gun
Breech loading gun in deck mounts, 1919 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 350 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1919 Model
2 x 2 row twin mounts on centreline, forward deck aft
Weight of broadside 54 lbs / 24 kg
Main Torpedoes
6 - 20.9" / 530 mm, 5.91 ft / 1.80 m torpedoes - 0.461 t each, 2.765 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes
Mines
20 - 50.00 lbs / 22.68 kg mines - 0.446 t total
in Above water - Stern racks/rails

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm 219.05 ft / 66.77 m 6.57 ft / 2.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 80 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm - -
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Box over machinery & magazines:
1.00" / 25 mm
Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 34,214 shp / 25,523 Kw = 32.16 kts
Range 2,015nm at 8.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 71 tons

Complement:
148 - 193

Cost:
£0.467 million / $1.870 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 14 tons, 0.7 %
- Guns: 8 tons, 0.4 %
- Weapons: 6 tons, 0.3 %
Armour: 124 tons, 6.2 %
- Belts: 59 tons, 3.0 %
- Armament: 22 tons, 1.1 %
- Armour Deck: 42 tons, 2.1 %
Machinery: 1,037 tons, 52.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 723 tons, 36.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 86 tons, 4.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
864 lbs / 392 Kg = 16.4 x 4.7 " / 120 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 11.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.19

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.580 / 0.582
Length to Beam Ratio: 14.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.61 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 20.19 ft / 6.15 m, 16.52 ft / 5.04 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 16.52 ft / 5.04 m, 12.85 ft / 3.92 m
- Aft deck: 45.00 %, 12.85 ft / 3.92 m, 12.85 ft / 3.92 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 12.85 ft / 3.92 m, 12.85 ft / 3.92 m
- Average freeboard: 14.24 ft / 4.34 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 170.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147.3 %
Waterplane Area: 9,271 Square feet or 861 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 77 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 40 lbs/sq ft or 197 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.78
- Longitudinal: 1.54
- Overall: 0.83
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room


Need Critique as to wether this ship would actually be a possible/realistic design

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "hul0054" (Dec 15th 2009, 1:10am)


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Tuesday, December 15th 2009, 1:11am

Comments:

A. Firstly, you can take hull strength down to .5 cross-section

B. We are currently at 1938 in the Sim

C. 50 pound mines are very small, the smallest I can think of are 1,000 pounds.

D. You have 6 tubes, and 4 mounts. Somethings wrong there.

E. Destroyers don't typically have armour on anything but guns.

F. That is a VERY small range. Maybe enough for a hour at top speed.

G. It says two twin mounts for the 2x.79'' guns

Other than that, it is pretty nice. I would subtract the armour and use the extra hull strength to add more range and speed. It would help if you stated what this was for.

hul0054

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Tuesday, December 15th 2009, 1:17am

ah yes, I'll tweak it.
It's for an AH story I wrote where the USSR broke into two parts in the mid 1920's and formed the RSR and USSR. I am working on the battleships and carriers of the RSR as well but this is an escort that really is so old it is relegated to coastal patrol.

hul0054

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Tuesday, December 15th 2009, 1:23am

(slightly revised version)

Tago Class, RSR Destroyer laid down 1938

Displacement:
1,857 t light; 1,903 t standard; 1,984 t normal; 2,048 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(425.84 ft / 420.00 ft) x 30.00 ft x (9.50 / 9.74 ft)
(129.80 m / 128.02 m) x 9.14 m x (2.90 / 2.97 m)

Armament:
1 - 4.72" / 120 mm 45.0 cal gun - 53.17lbs / 24.12kg shells, 220 per gun
Breech loading gun in deck mounts, 1938 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.25lbs / 0.11kg shells, 350 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model
2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward deck aft
Weight of broadside 54 lbs / 24 kg
Main Torpedoes
6 - 20.9" / 530 mm, 5.91 ft / 1.80 m torpedoes - 0.537 t each, 3.221 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
Mines
20 - 1,000.00 lbs / 453.59 kg mines - 8.929 t total
in Above water - Stern racks/rails

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm - -
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 34,214 shp / 25,523 Kw = 32.16 kts
Range 6,000nm at 8.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 145 tons

Complement:
148 - 193

Cost:
£1.120 million / $4.481 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 23 tons, 1.2 %
- Guns: 8 tons, 0.4 %
- Weapons: 15 tons, 0.8 %
Armour: 22 tons, 1.1 %
- Armament: 22 tons, 1.1 %
Machinery: 937 tons, 47.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 883 tons, 44.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 127 tons, 6.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
1,226 lbs / 556 Kg = 23.2 x 4.7 " / 120 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 12.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.15

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.580 / 0.584
Length to Beam Ratio: 14.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.61 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 20.19 ft / 6.15 m, 16.52 ft / 5.04 m
- Forward deck: 20.00 %, 16.52 ft / 5.04 m, 12.85 ft / 3.92 m
- Aft deck: 45.00 %, 12.85 ft / 3.92 m, 12.85 ft / 3.92 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 12.85 ft / 3.92 m, 12.85 ft / 3.92 m
- Average freeboard: 14.24 ft / 4.34 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 154.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 159.0 %
Waterplane Area: 9,271 Square feet or 861 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 49 lbs/sq ft or 240 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.88
- Overall: 1.01
Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room

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Tuesday, December 15th 2009, 2:21am

Errr.... I suggest you look at DDs designs that other people have...

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Tuesday, December 15th 2009, 2:24am

yeah...

You've got a single 120mm gun, and four mounts for it.

Quite a drill, I imagine.

hul0054

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Tuesday, December 15th 2009, 2:28am

oh whoops, thanks for pointing that out.
Supposed to be four guns, one on each mount...

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Tuesday, December 15th 2009, 3:45am

Get COMPOSITE down to .5. That gives you more room for range. That won't be a escort unless its 8,000 nm at 10.

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Tuesday, December 15th 2009, 4:00am

Another thing is that your torpedoes are VERY short, they should be closer to 7m in length (the historical Russian 53-27 surface torpedo was 7m in length). You also want these to be rotating tubes, whether on the side or on the centerline is your choice (for the period designed, side is OK).

6000 miles is an OK range, but 8 knots is too slow, for a DD I'd say 12 knots minimum.

The 20mm needs more ammunition, and I'm surprised that there's nothing in between the 120mm and the 20mm.....

hul0054

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Wednesday, December 16th 2009, 9:32am

thank you for the critique, I'll use them to improve the next ship class.
For the torpedoes, these ones are short as they are very short range and carry a tiny warhead as used mainly against small gunboats.
the 120mm guns are only for taking out submarines on the surface and gunboats. These ships have been replaced in my AH by a vessel with more firepower and better speed and seakeeping.
The next class (Saro Class) I'm still working on but have range of about 9,000nm at 14 knots but these ships have changed role by that time as merchants are no longer hunted by sea but attacked in port and when positioning for convoy crossing.