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HoOmAn

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Sunday, December 20th 2009, 11:07am

Pilot information an SAE entry

Much like last year:

Last years champion Wing Commander Michel Endress, bearer of the Knight’s Cross to the Military Order of the Empires Greatest Defenders, bearer of the Nkwe ya Gauta (Golden Leopard - South Africa's highest military decoration) and four time recipient of the Combat Medal; leader of the all-time ranking list of all South African fighter pilots, the man who achieved 49 confirmed victories in air combat and destroyed innumerable targets on the ground, will fly his personal JFM F-6E "Lady Valentine" (to those who remeber his old F-6E "Death Rattler": the plane still exists but is gounded and became part of the National Aviation Museum)

Wing Commander Jeoren van Veen, Companion of the Distinguished Service Order, bearer of the Nkwe ya Selefera (Silver Leopard), bearer of the iPhrothiya yeBhronzi (Bronze Protea) and two time recipient of the Combat Medal who achieved confirmed victory in 27 air-to-air battles is also representing the SAE. He will be pilot of a Walter F-8C, known as "Lucky Shot II".

22

Sunday, December 20th 2009, 5:59pm

Mexico's entries are both single-engined, so there is an open twin slot.

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Sunday, December 20th 2009, 6:09pm

Quoted

No 38 Italy No 39 Italy


Italy was only going with a single entrant this year.

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Sunday, December 20th 2009, 7:53pm

China's entries ....

a black painted He-112 (single engined) Lt. Liu Chui-Kang

and

a dark blue painted E.W.I.L. EW-205C (single engined) Lt. Zhu Jia-Xun

If wanted, China could also send a twin engined aircraft ;)

25

Monday, December 21st 2009, 1:33pm

....but that would be 1 entry too many! ;)

26

Monday, December 21st 2009, 1:53pm

May Peru send a plane? I'll send two planes

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Tuesday, December 22nd 2009, 10:39pm

Replies to queries and points thus far;

Mexico, two single (ok had finger slip there)

RA,
I must have got confused by your post mentioning the a Macchi C.202 Serie I and II, thinking you was showing off both. If it's just Ricco then that's fine in a Serie I then that's fine.

Alex,
Peru can send one or two fighters. Let me know which types and some specs and the names of the pilots. (Might make some interesting Peru Vs Chilean dogfights too!! :evil: )

Also I'm entering a Nordmark team on behalf of RLBH while he gets up to speed. Details to follow.

So that leaves 6 slots counting Nordmark as taking 39 and 40 and one twin slot. And 4-5 slots depending on Peru's entry.

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Tuesday, December 22nd 2009, 11:06pm

I'll post tomorrow!!

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Wednesday, December 23rd 2009, 12:50am

Don't forget the Colombians and Peruvians had dogfights too! Given the swiftness of the conflict and its flashpoint originated from a meglamaniacal mans crazed political strategy I wonder if there will be some lingering hostility?

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Wednesday, December 23rd 2009, 1:01pm

Peru

Peru will come with two brand new fighters.

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Compañía de Aviación Aguila, Peru (CAA)
Name: CAA FF-2 Tunqui
Type: Inteceptor / fighter
Crew: 1
Wingspan: 52 ft (16m)
Length: 45ft (14 m)
Maximum speed: 640 km/h (398 mph) at 6,300 m (20,669 ft)
Cruise speed: 590 km/h (365 mph) at 6,000 m (19,680 ft)
Powerplant: 1× liquid-cooled inverted V12 PS (1,500 hp.

Quoted






Pilots

José Gálvez, Figther #5
Jorge Chavez, Figther #6

31

Wednesday, December 23rd 2009, 1:42pm

I don't know that these are legal: see the following rule -

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2. Entries must be production machines, that is to say they must be in regular squadron service and in no way modified from the production standard. From this year all prototype and pre-production aircraft are prohibited from entry.


It's fairly unlikely that in the time between the end of the latest Peruvian war that Peru could design such an aircraft, set up a factory, AND get enough planes out to have them in squadron service by Talons (which is in May or so, usually). Perhaps 1939's Talons, given sufficient story support and Iberian assistance.


The supply of 1500hp inverted V12 engines is also.... limited, since the equivalent year is only 1941-42. Where would Peru get such an engine? The Hispano-Suiza 12Z-17 has the power, but it's a V-12, not an inverted V-12. Not to mention that it had reliability problems.

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Wednesday, December 23rd 2009, 2:10pm

In that caise two Hurricanes...

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Wednesday, December 23rd 2009, 2:11pm

I agree. Even the latest historical Me109G and K series had engines of less power...

I also think 14x16 meters is awefully big for such a single-seater of the era.

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Wednesday, December 23rd 2009, 2:19pm

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Originally posted by ALVAMA
In that caise two Hurricanes...


That works.


A smaller version of your design, perhaps starting with the Hispano-Suiza 12Y engine while the 12Z gets it's bugs worked on, might work well for a future fighter for Peru and Iberia. Alternatively, get a license from the UK for RR Merlins or Germany for DB-601s (both of which Peru currently uses) and use those engines for your future fighters.

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Wednesday, December 23rd 2009, 2:50pm

Here's a quick cut at a smaller version of your FF-2 design, built around the 12Y engine (using the Klimov VK-105PF derivative as a model):

CAA FF-2 Tunqui

General Type:
Airplane = 1
Airship = 2
Orbiter = 3
1

Year of First Flight: 1941

Description

Carrier or Rough Field
Monoplane
Conventional Fuselage

A fighter designed around the Hispano-Suiza 12Y-90 engine (a development of the 12Y-51 for more power and better altitude performance). Equipped with 2 7.65mm machineguns in the nose and 2 HS.404 20mm cannon in the outer wings, and a bomb rack capable of up to 250 kg of ordnance under the fuselage. Fitted with 8mm cockpit armor and self-sealing fuel tanks.






Characteristics:

Weight (maximum) 6,000 lbs
Weight (empty) 5,113 lbs

Length 30 ft
Wingspan 35 ft
Wing Area 190 sq ft
Sweep 3 degrees

Engines 1
Hispano-Suiza 12Y-90
Piston

1,257 hp
at 18,000 ft


Crew 1


Typical cost $0.033 million in 1942
Total number procured 2000


Performance:

Top Speed 342 kts = 393 mph
at 18,000 ft
Mach N/A

Operational Ceiling 30,000 ft

Range 500 nm = 576 miles
with 130 lbs payload
136 lbs released at halfway point

Climb 3,128 fpm

Cruise 250 kts = 288 mph
at 24,000 ft

Corner Speed 237 KIAS =
313 kts at 18,000 ft
Mach N/A
Turning Rate 22.6 deg/sec
Radius 2,690 ft



Internal Data:

Intake / Fan Diameter 9.5 ft

Bypass Ratio 84

Engine Weight 1266 lbs
Overall Efficiency 22 percent

Structural Factor 0.98

Number of Wings 1
Number of Fuselages 1

Limiting Airspeed 450 kts
Wing Ultimate g Load 10.00 g
Wing Taper 0.3
Wing Thickness at Root 1.5 ft

Tail / Canard Factor 0.4

Number of Nacelles 0
Length 9 ft
Diameter 3.25 ft
Fullness 0.5

Fuselage Diameter 3.5 ft
Fuselage Fullness 0.35

Pressurized Volume 0 percent
Cargo Decks 0

Cleanness 86 percent
Unstreamlined section 2.4 sq ft

User equipment 1,050 lbs

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Wednesday, December 23rd 2009, 3:26pm

And here's an alternate version, using a different armament of 4 11mm Madsen MGs (Peru uses the Madsen LMG for it's Army LMG, Madsen is a AEGIS country company, and the 11mm is light and small) and a 20mm motor-cannon.

CAA FF-2 Tunqui

General Type:
Airplane = 1
Airship = 2
Orbiter = 3
1

Year of First Flight: 1941

Description

Carrier or Rough Field
Monoplane
Conventional Fuselage

A fighter designed around the Hispano-Suiza 12Y-90 engine (a development of the 12Y-51 for more power and better altitude performance). Equipped with 2 7.65mm machineguns in the nose and 2 HS.404 20mm cannon in the outer wings, and a bomb rack capable of up to 250 kg of ordnance under the fuselage. Fitted with 8mm cockpit armor and self-sealing fuel tanks.






Characteristics:

Weight (maximum) 6,000 lbs
Weight (empty) 5,113 lbs

Length 30 ft
Wingspan 35 ft
Wing Area 190 sq ft
Sweep 3 degrees

Engines 1
Hispano-Suiza 12Y-90
Piston

1,257 hp
at 18,000 ft


Crew 1


Typical cost $0.033 million in 1942
Total number procured 2000


Performance:

Top Speed 342 kts = 393 mph
at 18,000 ft
Mach N/A

Operational Ceiling 30,000 ft

Range 500 nm = 576 miles
with 130 lbs payload
136 lbs released at halfway point

Climb 3,128 fpm

Cruise 250 kts = 288 mph
at 24,000 ft

Corner Speed 237 KIAS =
313 kts at 18,000 ft
Mach N/A
Turning Rate 22.6 deg/sec
Radius 2,690 ft



Internal Data:

Intake / Fan Diameter 9.5 ft

Bypass Ratio 84

Engine Weight 1266 lbs
Overall Efficiency 22 percent

Structural Factor 0.98

Number of Wings 1
Number of Fuselages 1

Limiting Airspeed 450 kts
Wing Ultimate g Load 10.00 g
Wing Taper 0.3
Wing Thickness at Root 1.5 ft

Tail / Canard Factor 0.4

Number of Nacelles 0
Length 9 ft
Diameter 3.25 ft
Fullness 0.5

Fuselage Diameter 3.5 ft
Fuselage Fullness 0.35

Pressurized Volume 0 percent
Cargo Decks 0

Cleanness 86 percent
Unstreamlined section 2.4 sq ft

User equipment 1,050 lbs

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "Hrolf Hakonson" (Dec 23rd 2009, 4:23pm)


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Wednesday, December 23rd 2009, 3:37pm

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
with Err:523 lbs payload
Err:523 lbs released at halfway point

Eh whut?

38

Wednesday, December 23rd 2009, 4:22pm

Fixed. OpenOffice does not like the recursion in certain parts of PlaneBuilder, so you have to be careful not to use it (which is annoying, since it's my default spreadsheet).

39

Wednesday, December 23rd 2009, 5:26pm

Does Italy have any domestic inverted V-12´s?

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Wednesday, December 23rd 2009, 5:28pm

OpenOffice doesn't seem to like Planebuilder much in general given the many intersheet references.

I seem to remember Iberia having an inverted V12 similar to the DB series. Really need something after the 12Y and 12Z as they're rather dated and don't have much room for growth.