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Sunday, December 13th 2009, 1:00pm

Talons Over Cordoba 1938

Yes it's that time of the year once again!

The event is due to be held in August 1938 at Cordoba airport as usual.

Since we're just nuding into Q2 and I've less time these days due to work etc I'm opening the entries now and won't close them until after Xmas so you've all time to plot and plan. Feel free to post entries here or PM me. Let me know any storyline ideas, deaths etc you wish or wish to avoid. Please post full stats here of all entries so I don't have to search for them and get the wrong ones. Please include climb and weight data where possible. Pictures too are helpful for non-OTL types.

Remember, there are only 48 slots (I'd like the Swiss to return plus No1-4 are reserved for the Argentines and the RAF so thats 43 places left.

Remember, that there are only six twin-engined fighter places so please don't enter all-twin teams etc. If there is a surplus of twin-engined fighters then it'll be first come first served.

Also please read the revised rules carefully since the entry conditions have changed.


1. Any nation can enter a maximum of two fighters, that is to say the primary role of the aircraft must be to intercept and destroy enemy aircraft; they can different types or the same and may be twin-engined fighters or carrier-based fighters

2. Entries must be production machines, that is to say they must be in regular squadron service and in no way modified from the production standard. From this year all prototype and pre-production aircraft are prohibited from entry.

3. Engine tuning is allowed but the addition of superchargers is now prohibited (engines already fitted with superchargers are allowed). Fuel additives are prohibited. Special racing spec engines are prohibited. Each team can bring two engines for each aircraft entered but both must be the same model and set up identically and one engine must be a spare only and can be fitted during the main events if repair of the race engine proves impossible or impractical. It is possible to flight test the spare before the events begin.

4. No armament to be fitted, ballast to weight of guns must be added

5. All aircraft must be fitted with a radio transmitter/ receiver for safety reasons

6. Pilots must have over three years of flying experience on single-engined types, official state or company test pilots are allowed to compete but other civilian pilots are not. Rank of the pilot is not an issue.

7. All monoplanes and biplanes will compete in separate race events, all single-engined and twin-engined aircraft will compete in separate race events, all duels will also be separate but an extra Grand Final Duel will feature both types of fighter. Bombing and altitude and cross country races will be of mixed groups. Pilots will score points and these will be tallied to declare a winner.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Hood" (Dec 13th 2009, 4:43pm)


Sunday, December 13th 2009, 1:26pm

Question on rule #2 - If the fighter in question is equipped with "fuel additives" as standard equipment (ie, MW-30/MW-50), is the use of this standard equipment banned or not?


Sunday, December 13th 2009, 1:57pm

I'm In!!

Denmark and Iberia will both field teams of single engined aircraft, details to follow.........


Sunday, December 13th 2009, 2:34pm

Atlantis, Turkey and Colombia all will enter with two single fighter teams as per usual. Byzantium will enter with one twin engined fighter and if room permiting one single engine fighter.

As with Mac, details later.


Sunday, December 13th 2009, 2:37pm

If a fuel additive is a standard fit system then it can be used but such equipment must not be added or additives added to the standard fuel of the aircraft if the engine is not designed for it AND the judges been informed in the entry paperwork. The systems and all engines will be inspected by a panel of international judges before qualifying begins.


Sunday, December 13th 2009, 4:03pm

Germany will be sending 2 He-100s to compete, and hoping for better mechanical luck than they had last year.

The US hasn't quite decided whether to send a pair of P-41s again or to send a P-41 and a P-38. The Talons format really doesn't play to the P-38s strengths, but in a separate division it might do well enough anyway.....


Sunday, December 13th 2009, 4:19pm

Is this for 1938 or 1939? As there's some discrepancy between the title and text.


Sunday, December 13th 2009, 4:52pm

Well spotted Gavin!
At least we know he's reading every word! :P

Think I must have been dreaming about the I-02 when I wrote that... ;)

Don't forget to give me pilots names too folks (and some bio info if you want).

Argentina enters;
Lieutenant de Aero Roja [Holder of the Argentine Nation to the Valour in Combat Medal (Medalla La Nacion Argentina al Valor en Combate) and the Order of the Liberator General San Martin (Orden del Libertador General San Martin) Comendador Grade] flying his personal red and black FMA I-01-II Buchon fighter with a standard 1,300hp Spartan 1300S V-12 inline engine

Maj. General Agustin Verona [holder of Argentine to the Wounded in Combat Medal (Medalla La Nacion Argentina al Herido en Combate)] flying his personal silver-coloured FMA I-01-II Buchon fighter with a standard 1,300hp Spartan 1300S V-12 inline engine

The RAF is sending;
Group Captain Lionel Mandrake returns yet again this year flying the eleventh production Supermarine Spitfire Mk II with a 1,100hp Merlin V-12 engine

Flying Officer T.B “Septic” McGowan is a newcomer flying the twenty-fifth production Hawker Tornado powered by a 1,980hp RR Vulture II 24-cylinder engine


Sunday, December 13th 2009, 5:48pm

Chile and Bulgaria reserve two spots, Ireland reserves one. All for single-engined fighters. Details will follow.

(I was just thinking last night that it was about time for this!)


Sunday, December 13th 2009, 7:21pm

Is this a match?


Sunday, December 13th 2009, 8:02pm

Romania and Poland reserve two spots both for single engine fighters.


Sunday, December 13th 2009, 8:32pm


[SIZE=4]Fuerza Aérea de Chile (FACh) / Armada de Chilea Arma Aerea (AdCAA)[/SIZE]

Teniente Carlos Matta (b.1910) is representing the FACh and is flying a ENAER-built I-01-IIB. Matta is the executive officer of 110 Escuadrón, 2 Grupo. Matta first flew in combat against Bolivia in the Andean War, shooting down two Bolivian biplanes despite flying a bomber. He was thereafter promoted to pilot fighters. In the recent Air Battle of Arica and Tacna, Matta scored three kills against Peruvian aircraft, shooting down a Hurricane, a Boulton-Paul Defiant, and a Bristol Beaufort. The final combat resulted in Matta's F-12 Aves being hit by machine gun fire; Matta bailed out of his burning F-12 and was taken prisoner by the Peruvian Army. He has recovered from injuries sustained in the war and was repatriated, returning to 2 Grupo. Matta has 16,000 flight hours, being qualified in Spartan Storms, Spartan Cyclones, Accrisius Aves, and now I-01-IIB Buchons, among others. He has a total of eight years flying experience. This is his first Talons appearance. Matta's I-01-IIB, named "Laura Fiora" for his wife, is brand new; the underside is painted light blue while the fuselage and upper wings are painted in a leopard-pelt pattern of orange, yellow, brown and black.


Dimensions: span 10.05m; length 9.14; height 3.22m; wing area 176sq ft; wing loading 41 lb/sq ft; power loading 0.17 lb/hp
Structure: all-metal monocoque fuselage with I section fames and L section stringers with stressed light alloy covering, light alloy used for cantilever tail construction and tailplane covering. Cantilever metal wing with two steel spars, all-metal split flaps and aluminium framed ailerons with aluminium covering with two hydraulic dive-brakes. Rudder and elevators aluminium framed with aluminium covering. Retractable hydraulically raised main undercarriage with single oleo-pneumatic legs with twin pneumatic brakes and a retractable castoring tail wheel
Weights: empty 5,802lbs, maximum take-off 7,250lbs
Powerplant: one 1300hp Spartan 1300S V-12 inline engine with supercharger, maximum sea level output to 12,000ft
Performance: max speed 374mph at 15,000ft; service ceiling 21,500ft; rate of climb 2,325ft per minute at 1,500ft; range 311 miles full fuel load
Capacity: pilot in enclosed cockpit
Armament: four 13mm Browning HMG in wings and ventral bomb rack for one 250kg bomb and wing racks for either four 50kg or ten 15kg bombs
Equipment: full controls and navigation equipment including receiver/transmitter, reflector sight, Sperry autopilot and one flare chute

Teniente Capitan Patricio Mistral (b.1908) represents the Armada de Chile Arma Aérea (Chilean Navy Air Arm) and is flying an FMA I-01N Buchon carrier fighter named "Southern Cross". Mistral flew combat missions during the Andean War as well as the Peruvian War, scoring one aerial kill in each war. Mistral commands Escuadrón de Cazas No.3 (aka "The Black Fighters of the Armada") and serves as the executive officer of the AdCAA's III Grupo when deployed aboard the carrier Mapuche. He has 17,000 flying hours and nine years experience, and is currently the only AdCAA pilot (and one of four in Chile) who has qualified for night-fighters (which Chile doesn't have) and was the first Chilean pilot to trap on the airship Capitan Prat. Mistral's I-01N Buchon is painted black, with a red propeller spinner, red wingtips, and a red tail; a white southern cross is emblazoned on the fighter's nose and on the upper side of the wings. This is his second Talons appearance.


[SIZE=3]FMA I-01N Buchon[/SIZE]
Dimensions: span 10.05m; length 9.14; height 3.22m; wing area 176sq ft; wing loading 35.79 lb/sq ft; power loading 0.15 lb/hp
Structure: all-metal monocoque fuselage with I section fames and L section stringers with stressed light alloy covering, light alloy used for cantilever tail construction and tailplane covering. Cantilever metal wing with two steel spars, all-metal split flaps and aluminium framed ailerons with aluminium covering. Rudder and elevators aluminium framed with aluminium covering. Retractable hydraulically raised main undercarriage with single oleo-pneumatic legs with twin pneumatic brakes and a retractable castoring tail wheel and catapult spools and retractable arrestor hook attached to the lower fuselage aft.
Weights: empty 5,234lbs, maximum take-off 6,500lbs
Powerplant: one 1000hp Spartan 1000 V-12 inline engine with supercharger, maximum sea level output to 10,000ft
Performance: max speed 322mph; service ceiling 31,000ft; rate of climb 2,0701ft per minute at 1,500ft; range 731 miles full fuel load
Capacity: pilot in enclosed cockpit armoured windscreen and 8mm thick armoured bulkhead behind
Armament: four 13mm Browning HMG in wings, one 250lb bomb on a ventral bomb rack under the fuselage
Equipment: full controls and navigation equipment including receiver/transmitter, reflector sight, Sperry autopilot, two flare chutes and one rescue dinghy



Kapitan Dobri Kolarov (b.1903) is representing Bulgaria flying one of the new DAR/Avia B.137 fighters. Kapitan Kolarov is the senior flying officer of the Bulgarian Air Force and is responsible for testing new fighter acquisitions and developing training regimes for new aircraft. He currently leads Bulgarian pilots in number of hours flown (averaging 2,300 hours per year) with over 27,000 hours total flight time on his logs, and has qualified in over forty different aircraft. This will be his first Talons appearance. His B-137 is painted dark green with a red and yellow pinstripe down the sides, and red-tipped wings; the Bulgarian tricolor (white-green-red) is painted on the aircraft tail. His personal call-sign is "Fokser Five" (Foxhound Five).

[SIZE=1]Please don't kill him, Bulgaria has no replacement for this guy.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=3]DAR-12 / Fokker-Avia B-137[/SIZE]
- Crew: 1 Pilot
- Length: 29.78 ft
- Wingspan: 37.47 ft
- Height:
- Wing area: 202 ft²
- Empty weight: 4,754 lbs
- Loaded weight: 5,732lbs
- Powerplant: R1x 1,100hp Minerva-Avia 105
- Armament: 1x 20mm motorcannon, 4 x 7.92mm MGs, 250kg bombs

- Maximum speed: 325kts (374mph) @ 13,123ft
- Max Range: 508nm
- Service ceiling: 39,500 feet
- Rate of climb: 3,364 fpm (light)

Porucik (Senior Lieutenant) Lidiya Ivanova (b.1916) will be flying one of the latest Supermarine Spitfire MkIIs delivered to Bulgaria. Lieutenant Ivanova is second-in-command of Bulgaria's 502 Kerkenez (Kestral) squadron, and the second-highest ranked female pilot in the VNVV. Ivanova has served as a mercenary pilot in two different campaigns, scoring one kill and one probable while flying a Romanian IAR-80 fighter for the Armenian Air Force, and claiming six air kills (all Bolivian Communist Fiat Cr.32s) and several ground kills while flying a Swiss EKW D-3801 fighter named "Charity" for the Flying Legion in Bolivia (late 1937). Ivanova's identity as "Charity" however is somewhat obscured by the continued secrecy of the Flying Legion. Ivanova has three years military flying experience and five more years flying as a civilian, earning her pilot's license at age fourteen; since then she has logged approximately 14,000 hours. She is qualified on the EKW D-3801, IAR-80, Bf-109, Supermarine Spitfire (all existing marks), Kaproni Bulgarski KB-5 Tchutchuliga-III, DAR-3 Garvan (Raven), DAR-7 Koketka (Kitten), Focke-Wulf Fw-44, and Miles Master. This is her third Talons appearance. Her personal call sign is "Ubiets Kerkenez" (Killer Kestral).

[SIZE=1]Please don't kill her.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=4]Supermarine Spitfire MkII (for Bulgaria)[/SIZE]
Length: 29 ft 11 in (9.12 m)
Wingspan: 36 ft 10 in (11.23 m)
Height: 11 ft 5 in (3.86 m)
Wing area: 242.1 ft² (22.48 m²)
Weight: 5,090 lb (2,309 kg) empty, 6,622 lb (3,000 kg) loaded
Crew: 1
Powerplant: 1× Rolls-Royce Merlin XI, 1,100 hp (876 kW)

Speed: 366mph at 15,000ft
Rate of climb: 2,490 ft/min at 10,000 ft (3,000 m)
Ceiling: 37,000 feet
Range: 500 nmi

- 2 × 15mm MG151 cannon
- 4 × 7.92mm MG17 machine guns


[SIZE=4]Irish Air Corps[/SIZE]

Flying Lieutenant Eoin Clancy (b.1914) is representing Ireland in a new Boulton Paul Resistant (P94 Defiant). Clancy has nine years flying experience, being the son of a British Great War fighter pilot who started instructing him at age 15. He has logged roughly 7,000 hours of flight time, most of it within the last four years. His fighter, named "Oopsie Daisy", is painted in RAF-style camouflage albeit with the Irish roundel, and a green port wingtip and an orange starboard wingtip. This is his second Talons appearance.


[SIZE=3]Bolton-Paul Resistant (Defiant P94)[/SIZE]
- Crew: 1 Pilot
- Length: 35 ft 4 in (10.77 m)
- Wingspan: 39 ft 4 in (11.99 m)
- Height: 12 ft 2 in (3.71 m)
- Wing area: 250 ft² (23 m²)
- Empty weight: 6,078 lb (2,755 kg)
- Loaded weight: 8,318 lb (3,773 kg)
- Powerplant: RR Merlin VI, 1,280hp
- Armament: 4x20mm cannon

- Maximum speed: 360 mph / 579.3 kph (312.8 knots)
- Max Range: 520 mi (837 km)
- Service ceiling: 30,350 ft (9,250 m)
- Rate of climb: 3,235 ft/min (16.4 m/s)


Sunday, December 13th 2009, 8:45pm

The Dominion of Canada will send;

Lt. Col. Tyrus Cassius McQueen of the Royal Canadian Marines flying,
[SIZE=3]Avro Canada CF-8 "Rhamphorhynchus"[/SIZE]

- Crew: 1
- Length: 26.5 ft
- Wingspan: 47 ft
- Height: 12 ft
- Wing area: 396 ft²
- Empty weight: 5,052 lbs
- Loaded weight: 6,000 lbs
- Powerplant: Orenda Merlin II (1280hp)
- Armament: 4x.50cal MG (nose), 100 pound payload

- Maximum speed: 346 mph
- Max Range: 666 mi
- Service ceiling: 38,500 ft
- Rate of Climb: 3,174 ft/min

RCNAS Commander Reginald Antilles flying a Burnelli Aviation YCF-38 "Skipray".
(stats pending, twin engine)

Canada will also send an Onithopterus variant of the CF-8 for display, as well as a ShinRa Aviation CG-70 and CH-2


Monday, December 14th 2009, 2:50am

Mexico will be entering two single engines fighters, Austraia one single, one twin.


Monday, December 14th 2009, 11:48pm

Italy will be sending a small team this year, headed by Capt Ricco in a Macchi C.202 Serie I, which is pretty much identical to the previous year. In the meantime, the only new fighter introduced has been the C.202 Serie II, which features heavier armament, at the cost of reduced performance. Over the past year, the Air Combat Tactics School has been learning how to better fight the Folgore. The high roll rate and excellent climb rate have prompted new tactics to be formulated to better use these characteristics. These typically involve a zoom climb to retain energy and match the smaller turn radius of fighters with lower wing loading. The tactics are more challenging to form a kill solution than traditional horizontal turning fights but are much better from a defensive point of view. Mock combat with the the CR.35 and Re.2001 has been fairly successful.

At the same time, Fiat engineers are still having problems with the Centauro. Work is currently underway to design a new wing that should alleviate some of the problems.


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Tuesday, December 15th 2009, 12:33am

Please keep two slots open for a SAE entry.

Following last years good experience (no trouble with the Argentine despite the war) it might happen that last years champion Endress will join the fun again. But that´s not granted. He might be needed somewhere else...

The two entries will be a F-6 and a F-8 again, much like last year. If Endress returns he will surely fly his F-6E "Deathrattler". Compared to other entries that´s an old plane but his expierience might compansate the lack of some horse power.

[In fact there is hardly anything better available. The F variant is a twin seater for training while the F-6G - first flight 06.06.37 - still has troubles with her fuel additive injection. Finally, the H variant which will become the RSAFs new standard fighter had her first flight on the 14th of March 38 and is unlikely to have finished test program until August. Without a war driving development it all takes a lot of time.]

The Walter F-8 will be a C variant which is the latest version that entered full scale production in early 1938. This again is the same plane that - as a prototype - participated last year. Well, the same plane minus some of the bugs that limited the prototypes performance. Her pilot might be van Veen again.

The RSAF might probably send a F-6F twin-seater along for flights with potential costumers etc.


[OOC info]

F-6E “Swallow”
Crew: 1
Length: 9.4m Span: 9.45m Height: 3.90m Wing Area: 18.02m¬^2
Empty Weight: 2458kg Clean Weight : 2805kg Maximum Weight: 3000kg
Engine: 1 x LFM 1200 (984kw/689kg)
Stresses : 305 IAS, 10G
Clean performance :
Maximum Speed: 631kph @ 4000m
Rate of climb: 897m/min Service ceiling: 11125m
Wingloading : 156kg/m2
Range: 1100km
Armament: 2 x 15mm MGs, 4 x 7.92mm MGs, 100kg bombload
Armor : 8mm disk, self sealing tanks

13,123 ft = 4,000m supercharger

1937 F-8C Demon wihtout drop tanks.

Empty Weight: 2632kg Maximum Weight: 3152kg
Engine: 1 x Rayton Hurricane VIII (1133kw/830kg)
Stresses : 310 IAS, 10G

Clean performance :
Clean Weight : 3050kg
Maximum Speed: 622kph @ 4000m Service ceiling: 10454m
Wingloading : 207kg/m2 Range: 1265km
Rate of climb:
Clean : 912m/min
Light : 1125m/min

Armament: 2 x 15mm MGs, 2 x 7.62mm MGs, 160kg bomb load
Armor : 8mm disk, self sealing tanks


Tuesday, December 15th 2009, 11:07am

China will also take part, but i don't know which aircraft will be send. So keep patience ;)


Saturday, December 19th 2009, 11:40am

Updated List of Entries

No 1 Argentina
No 2 Argentina
No 3 Great Britain
No 4 Great Britain
No 5 Japan
No 6 Japan (twin)
No 7 SAE
No 8 SAE
No 9 Denmark
No 10 Denmark
No 11 Iberia
No 12 Iberia
No 13 Atlantis
No 14 Atlantis
No 15 Turkey
No 16 Turkey
No 17 Byzantium
No 18 Byzantium (twin)
No 19 Colombia
No 20 Colombia
No 21 Germany
No 22 Germany
No 23 USA
No 24 USA (twin?)
No 25 Chile
No 26 Chile
No 27 Bulgaria
No 28 Bulgaria
No 29 Ireland
No 30 Canada
No 31 Canada (twin)
No 32 Mexico
No 33 Mexico (twin)
No 34 Australia
No 35 Australia (twin)
No 36 China
No 37 China
No 38 Italy
No 39 Italy
No 40
No 41
No 42
No 43
No 44
No 45
No 46
No 47 Czech
No 48 Swiss

This leaves six slots and NO twin-engined slots unless Hrolf decides not to send a P-38 (which I'd like to see personally).
Most of these are held-open but only a few folks have provided stats and crew details yet.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Hood" (Dec 19th 2009, 2:56pm)


Saturday, December 19th 2009, 12:26pm

Oh, OK, I'll send the P-38. :)


Sunday, December 20th 2009, 12:56am

If need be James you can bump the Byzantean entrys out of the mix to accomidate other players entry's!