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Thursday, November 26th 2009, 2:02pm

1898 Pre-Dreadnought Battleships

Imagination ship:

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BB-12----1896 HengYuen CHINESE battleship laid down 1898

Displacement:
12,068 t light; 12,869 t standard; 13,915 t normal; 14,751 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(429.79 ft / 419.95 ft) x 65.62 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x (25.39 / 26.87 ft)
(131.00 m / 128.00 m) x 20.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m) x (7.74 / 8.19 m)

Armament:
4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 829.70lbs / 376.34kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 8.27" / 210 mm 40.0 cal guns - 270.82lbs / 122.84kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 108.92lbs / 49.41kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.98lbs / 5.89kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
12 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 150 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 6,281 lbs / 2,849 kg
Main Torpedoes
4 - 14.0" / 356 mm, 22.97 ft / 7.00 m torpedoes - 0.459 t each, 1.837 t total
submerged bow & stern tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 295.28 ft / 90.00 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m
Ends: 1.97" / 50 mm 124.64 ft / 37.99 m 9.71 ft / 2.96 m
Upper: 8.27" / 210 mm 295.28 ft / 90.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 108% of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 14.0" / 356 mm 5.98" / 152 mm 14.0" / 356 mm
2nd: 8.27" / 210 mm 4.72" / 120 mm 8.27" / 210 mm
3rd: 5.91" / 150 mm - 5.91" / 150 mm

- Protected deck - single deck:
For and Aft decks: 2.95" / 75 mm
Forecastle: 0.98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.98" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 12.01" / 305 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 13,438 ihp / 10,025 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,882 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
639 - 832

Cost:
£1.220 million / $4.880 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,099 tons, 7.9%
- Guns: 1,095 tons, 7.9%
- Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0%
Armour: 4,848 tons, 34.8%
- Belts: 2,400 tons, 17.2%
- Armament: 1,373 tons, 9.9%
- Armour Deck: 925 tons, 6.6%
- Conning Tower: 150 tons, 1.1%
Machinery: 2,167 tons, 15.6%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,953 tons, 28.4%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,847 tons, 13.3%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
15,108 lbs / 6,853 Kg = 17.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 15.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.58

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a ram bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.580 / 0.581
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.33 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -9.00 degrees
Stern overhang: -7.55 ft / -2.30 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 22.00%, 18.67 ft / 5.69 m, 14.70 ft / 4.48 m
- Forward deck: 28.00%, 14.70 ft / 4.48 m, 14.04 ft / 4.28 m
- Aft deck: 32.00%, 14.04 ft / 4.28 m, 14.70 ft / 4.48 m
- Quarter deck: 18.00%, 14.70 ft / 4.48 m, 15.35 ft / 4.68 m
- Average freeboard: 14.91 ft / 4.54 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.0%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 84.7%
Waterplane Area: 19,780 Square feet or 1,838 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 701 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 2.00
- Overall: 1.00
Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Cramped accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


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Thursday, November 26th 2009, 7:46pm

The SS sim has the 6" and 75mm guns in hull casemates, but your picture has the 6" in the superstructure and I don't see the 75mm at all.

The mix of gun sizes is a little odd: the 21cm guns and the 6" guns really don't go together, a German-built vessel would have 21cm and 15cm (and 8.8cm) guns where a British built vessel would have 7.5", 8", or 9.2" guns, 6" guns and 3" guns, and an American-built vessel would have 8", 6", and 3" guns.

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Friday, November 27th 2009, 10:05am

It is a very interesting thing that the 305mm gun and 152mm QF gun are from france , Only 210mm gun is from Deutsch. 75mm Anti-torpedo gun is builded by owner of oneself.



en, 6"and 75mm guns is settled at a error location.

75mmguns is too little to not drawing.


I should modify it at next time.

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Friday, November 27th 2009, 12:13pm

In the period given, France produced 138.6mm and 164.7mm guns, for the purposes, the 138.6mm is probably a better choice.

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Friday, November 27th 2009, 12:51pm

I used the following link.

6" is 'FR RU 6in 15cm 45cal 1892' by canet

The link is from "http://navalhistory.flixco.info/H/208018x53535/8330/a0.htm"

12" is 'FR 12in 30cm 40cal 1896 '

link "http://navalhistory.flixco.info/H/211001x53535/8330/a0.htm"

210mm is 'GR 8.2in 21cm 40cal 1895'
link="http://navalhistory.flixco.info/H/209688x53535/8330/a0.htm"


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