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Peruvian aircraft projects 1938-1941
building helps from the AEGIS

Compañía de Aviación Aguila, Peru (CAA)
Name: CAA FF-3 Caimán
Type: Escort Fighter
Crew: 1
Wingspan: 35 ft (10.7 m)
Length: 29 ft (9.0 m)
Max. speed: 600 Km/H at 15,000 ft
Armament 6 7.65mm Argentine Mauser with 500 rounds each
1 110 Kilobomb

Compañía de Aviación Aguila, Peru (CAA)
Name: CAA FF-1 Caimán
(second-hand-scale and new)(Britsh Hawker Hurricane MK (Merlin Engined)
Type: Fighter and ground-attack tasks
Crew: 1
Length: 32 ft 3 in (9.84 m)
Wingspan: 40 ft 0 in (12.19 m)
Height: 13 ft 1½ in (4.0 m)
Max. Speed 550
Range: 600 miles
Armament 4 20 mm (.79 in) Hispano Mk II cannons
2 250 lb (110 kg) or 500 lb (230 kg) bombs

Compañía de Aviación Aguila, Peru (CAA)
Name: CAA FF-2 Tunqui
Type: Inteceptor / fighter
Crew: 1
Wingspan: 52 ft (16m)
Length: 45ft (14 m)
Maximum speed: 640 km/h (398 mph) at 6,300 m (20,669 ft)
Cruise speed: 590 km/h (365 mph) at 6,000 m (19,680 ft)
Armament 2 30mm 2 13mm
Powerplant: 1× liquid-cooled inverted V12, 1,475 PS (1,455 hp, 1,085 kW)

Compañía de Aviación Aguila, Peru (CAA)
Name: CAA BB-2 Tupac Yupanqui
Type: Dive bomber (Land&Carrier)
Crew: 2-3
Wingspan: 41 ft 6 in (12.65 m)
Length: 33 ft 1 in (10.08 m)
Maximum speed: 255 mph (410 km/h)

Great Drawings ALVI!!!!
I like a lot the 2nd one !!!
JUST AWESOME plans!!!

I'm surprised there haven't been any responses from the more aviation-oriented experts among us.

Heh, are you looking in my direction?

I'm doubts about the Hispano-equipped Hurricanes, the Hispano is actually a French weapon, and so unlikely to be available to an AEGIS country, especially after said country has fought a war with several FAR members. The Swiss Oerlikon FF/FFL series is more likely here, IF you really want 4 20mms.


The FF-2 seems.... at best ambitious, and depending on the 30mm, unlikely to work out well. The length of barrel suggests a higher velocity weapon, like the MK-101/103 series guns, but those have pretty heavy recoil and weight for use in a single-engined aircraft, particularly in the wings. I'm also not sure where the engines would be coming from, there aren't many 1450-hp inverted-Vs available.

Didn't know about the FAR...I'll add teh Swiss then, Yes sorry about the 30mm it sould be 20mm too!

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I'm surprised there haven't been any responses from the more aviation-oriented experts among us.

I can't do much without Cl curves, Vn diagrams, or wind tunnel data...

Thought I can say I am absolutely horrified at the sheer ugliness of that last plane. Mexico might be forced to move up its invasion plans in order to stop that plane from ever seeing daylight...

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Originally posted by Desertfox
I can't do much without Cl curves, Vn diagrams, or wind tunnel data...

Well, you can get the Cl curve from the weight and wing area. Drag polar is bit harder given the lack of knowledge of Cd0 but it's possible to work backwards from the condition of maximum speed and make some assumptions to get a reasonable value.

I've been doing a lot of performance estimation work recently. It's interesting to see the actual data for modern combat aircraft and then compare that to the nonsense people post on the internet. Especially about the Su-27 and Gripen.

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Compañía de Aviación Aguila, Peru (CAA) Name: CAA FF-2 Tunqui Type: Inteceptor / fighter Crew: 1 Wingspan: 52 ft (16m) Length: 45ft (14 m) Maximum speed: 640 km/h (398 mph) at 6,300 m (20,669 ft) Cruise speed: 590 km/h (365 mph) at 6,000 m (19,680 ft) Armament 2 30mm 2 13mm Powerplant: 1× liquid-cooled inverted V12, 1,475 PS (1,455 hp, 1,085 kW)

That's a very, very large fighter and quite fast for that engine power.

I think the Hurricane and the FF-3 are the way to go for Peru. Useful performance and gets some experience in building aircraft. The FF-3 might have interesting performance with an Alfa-Romeo 135/136.

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Originally posted by Red Admiral
Especially about the Su-27 and Gripen.

Since you mentioned the Gripen, I suppose you have an opinion on my favorite modern fighter?

If Peru can get Alfa's!! then I would be awesome

THANKS a lot Navarchos!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
I'm doubts about the Hispano-equipped Hurricanes, the Hispano is actually a French weapon, and so unlikely to be available to an AEGIS country,

Sorry Hrolf, but Hispano Suiza is still in Iberian hands in WW.

They moved to France in the real world, but not here.

Let me phrase it this way: the historical HS.9 and HS.404 guns are French, not Spanish. They were developed at the French division of Hispano-Suiza.

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Since you mentioned the Gripen, I suppose you have an opinion on my favorite modern fighter?

I like the Gripen, it looks great and it's fairly inexpensive. If you look at performance, it in no way compares to it's contemporaries (apart from the SuperHornet). The Gripen seems to be widely favoured on the net and for little apparent reason. There was a Eurofighter v Gripen thread on another forum with most people thinking it'd be close or giving it to Gripen. It's a bit of a joke really. Eurofighter is _the_ best performing fighter in the world (by a reasonable margin) and has very good electronics to boot. It isn't stealthy from all aspects, but stealth brings a big performance penalty. F-22 v Eurofighter performance surprised me. Compared to Gripen, there's really no comparison in terms of kinematic performance.

There've been stories of fitting 3D thrust vectoring nozzles to Eurofighter again recently. Really, there's little point in doing so at the moment given the performance margin (and complete lack of money).

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Let me phrase it this way: the historical HS.9 and HS.404 guns are French, not Spanish. They were developed at the French division of Hispano-Suiza.

Past tense - real world = French

Current tense - WesWorld = Iberian, French division of HS is actually "Hispano France", the high class car builder. Weapons and engines were kept in Iberia by Lord Arpad.
Why do you assume that the historical move happened?

Well if he assumes that the move still happened then neither France nor Iberia can equip Peru leaving the door open for German and Italian weapons suppliers!
Nerfarious!!

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
Well if he assumes that the move still happened then neither France nor Iberia can equip Peru leaving the door open for German and Italian weapons suppliers!
Nerfarious!!

And Danes, don't forget the Madsen!!

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Originally posted by Commodore Green

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Let me phrase it this way: the historical HS.9 and HS.404 guns are French, not Spanish. They were developed at the French division of Hispano-Suiza.

Past tense - real world = French

Current tense - WesWorld = Iberian, French division of HS is actually "Hispano France", the high class car builder. Weapons and engines were kept in Iberia by Lord Arpad.
Why do you assume that the historical move happened?

Herein lies the rub; If the Hispano HS.9 and HS.404 were developed in France by French employees of Hispano @, would not those same employees be availible to develop the weapons for another French manufacturer? And if those designers and workers are not availible to Iberia, can WW Hispano produce those @ weapons?

I love it when WW gets metaphysical.

Black holes are where God divided by zero.

Something like that. A bit more research, amusingly enough, shows that the 20mm HS.404 was patented in Switzerland by the engineer that was the reason for the "Suiza" part of the name, Marc Birkigt.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Something like that. A bit more research, amusingly enough, shows that the 20mm HS.404 was patented in Switzerland by the engineer that was the reason for the "Suiza" part of the name, Marc Birkigt.

True.
However Wiki does say the French arm was organized by a Spanish artillery captain, who hired Marc Birkigt. They got the license for Oerlikon, started making it and had a dispute.

Marc Birkigt then in 1933, did the work that resulted in the Hispano, patenting it in Switzerland.

Spanish Company, branch established by Spanish artillerist who then hired the engineer that eventually designed the thing "back" in 1933.