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Can't think of anything useful to say to get the thread back on track other than "Nice tanks, Wes"...

... but I would be lying if I say that.

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Originally posted by Hood

I'm willing to donate the Churchill to you Kirk if you want to use it. I had only planned to use the chassis for engineering vehicles a la "Hobarts Funnies".

Thanks Hood. I had meant it as a philosophy angle, not necessarily the image, but as I am not very good at chopping and stitching images, I may yet take you up on that. I already secured 'rights' to one American prototype from Hrolf, but I can always use the range

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Heh. My argument on the TT-37 was not so much that it's too early (except perhaps the 800hp engine), but that the stats as given were too light. The original armor was probably a bit excessive as well, but the primary problem was the weight was not in keeping with the armor thickness stated.

Actually the weight and dimensions should be a matter of military concern past a certain point- what fits on a railcar, down your alleys and doesn't collapse your bridges. The lower weight range we're talking about here doesn't quite do that, but the upper end should be 'getting there'.

Wiki supports my recollection that the Tiger I (57 tonnes) was too heavy for many bridges. I believe design load maxes tended to be in the 50ton range...presuming the bridge was new enough to have a design load. Toss in that to keep ground pressure down they had extra wide tracks, which meant the outer set of travel wheels had to be removed for rail transport.

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It depends how high the signal to noise ratio is.
We hear a lot of fuss over certain tanks but other nations and tanks don't get comments at all.

Much correct was said in Hood's little piece.
As for some going without comments..perhaps they are not problematic, or perhaps they go overlooked.

Personally, I think the litmus test is - if your proposed tank is appreciably better than the service vehicles of that year, you need to modify your design or delay its introduction. Further that should really fall to the person proposing it.

We'll still get near "max" results, but those that do not feel like using tank sharp to get a tailored tank can pull up their Pz-IIIH clone and expect it to be somewhat useful.

As for the Tiger with the sloped armor... let's say the design goal requires the equivalent of 100mm of armor protection. You can do that with a thick vertical plate, or you can do that with a thinner sloped plate. There is no reason to take a 100mm plate and slope it, you just wind up with a tank heavier, slower for the same engine and with more armor protection than desired.

As for some nations being ahead or behind, and the fictional nations.. Generally we seem to allow folks to take the lead in their specialties, since they had an OTL inventor that did lead the way.

Beyond that it's very fuzzy. I run on the presumption the Dutch are a great deal better off, and their territories more developed than OTL, just like the independent 3rd world nations. I'll admit I tend to think of nations with a better population:factories ratio as more "advanced", but not critically so. Mexico building tanks is fine with me.

Personally I would not like to limit things to copies of OTL tanks...though that could be needed. I'd wind up with a German Pz-IIL, a Russian T-40(?), and a somewhat upgraded French S-35 in my lineup. However, I'd rather fit things to my particular need and design the tank.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Heh. My argument on the TT-37 was not so much that it's too early (except perhaps the 800hp engine), but that the stats as given were too light. The original armor was probably a bit excessive as well, but the primary problem was the weight was not in keeping with the armor thickness stated.

As to Tigers with sloped armor, well, the preceding WW German tanks have had sloped armor, it's something that Germany learned from the Christies that it bought in the early 1930s. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that the eventual German heavy tank will have sloped armor.

I agreeed for the most part, untill I looked at IS-2 stats. Though being 6 years in advance of KV-1 stats its only 46 tons. I'm kinda wondering if I simply lower the engine HP and speed that a 45 ton tank with the orriginal TT-37's armour stats (or something similar) is possible in 1938.

Perhaps British/Dutch/anything other than Atlantean tanks should be posted in another thread rather than polute this thread further.....

A fairly massive thread for me to read through after a week without the internet.

I don't have any great problems with the AT-37 as outlined, it's just a bit light and fast as others have outlined. It more or less makes sense though. I'm not sure whether it'd be that useful unless France/Russia is planning to invade Poland or Germany but still...

One of the problems at the moment is the lack of armour piercing rounds. Without APC, APCR or APDS rounds (even 75mm HEAT rounds aren't going to be enough) there's little that can be done to increase gun penetration besides increasing calibre. With APDS even the smaller 57mm can just about suffice, but where are the APDS rounds? The biggest problem is lack of need. We haven't had lots of tank actions showing the need for larger guns and thicker armour.

Which PzIII or PzIV variants would you rate up to date in WesWorld?

I´m asking because in the South American war the RSAA fielded a tank called Centurion which in fact is a blend of the historical PzIII versions F to H. Introduced 1935 the tank appeared later in the war in small numbers but proofed a reliable vehicle and superior to most if not all enemy tanks.

Note that there have not been tank battles. In general tanks were used in small numbers to support infantry. Rarely did they encounter each other in greater numbers.

On the other hand there are really big and heavy tanks already around in WesWorld. A 24 ton Pz IV isn´t even a big tank anymore.

Would it bee okay to have a PzIII J and/or a PzIV F2?

Panzer IIIJ's are effectively what Germany's fielding in 1937, to be followed by Panzer IVG's once the 75mm/48 is through it's trials.

So it´s not a problem. Good.

Of course, like with all SAE equipment, I will just use pictures of these vehicles but slightly modify stats and names....

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Heh. My argument on the TT-37 was not so much that it's too early (except perhaps the 800hp engine), but that the stats as given were too light. The original armor was probably a bit excessive as well, but the primary problem was the weight was not in keeping with the armor thickness stated.

As to Tigers with sloped armor, well, the preceding WW German tanks have had sloped armor, it's something that Germany learned from the Christies that it bought in the early 1930s. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that the eventual German heavy tank will have sloped armor.

I agreeed for the most part, untill I looked at IS-2 stats. Though being 6 years in advance of KV-1 stats its only 46 tons. I'm kinda wondering if I simply lower the engine HP and speed that a 45 ton tank with the orriginal TT-37's armour stats (or something similar) is possible in 1938.

The IS-2 was about the same weight as the KV-85, agreed, BUT it traded off some armor to hold that weight: it had heavier bow and side armor, but lighter deck, belly and turret armor. Not to mention that it carried only 28 rounds for the 122mm gun.

Is it physically possible to build a tank with the original armor stats? Sure. With a 600 hp engine, minimal suspension and tranny, it comes out to just under 53.5 tons.

But why would you go that heavy, when the only threats are mostly 57mm and smaller AT guns and the 75mm/50 on the Type 96? The armor layout of the original design is also not really in keeping with the breakthrough tank concept: that concept, because it assumes you're breaking through a defended line, assumes you can and will take fire from all directions, so you have relatively even levels of armor all the way around (some thickening on the front, but not a lot). That's why you see the KV-1s and the Tigers with such heavy side and rear armor.

Final specs (hopefully). Decided to use the same engine as the AT-36 and armour a little closer to the orriginal KV's levels.

Model: AT(TT)-37/75
Type: Heavy Tank
Crew: 4 (Commander, Gunner, Loader, Driver)
Weight: 45 tons
Length: 7.0 meters
Width: 3.3 meters
Height: 3.0 meters
Speed: 22 MPH
Engine: 600hp
Range: 275 miles
Armament: 1x75mm/L45 Cannon in turret; 1x.50cal in turret; 1x.30cal in hull
Armour: 100mm front hull (Sloped equivilent), 80mm side hull, 120mm front turret, 90mm side turret

Hrolf, how do these specs look in tanksharp?

I'll take a look in a bit. Who mans the .30 caliber MG in the hull? Or is it a fixed mount?

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
Final specs (hopefully). Decided to use the same engine as the AT-36 and armour a little closer to the orriginal KV's levels.

Model: AT(TT)-37/75
Type: Heavy Tank
Crew: 4 (Commander, Gunner, Loader, Driver)
Weight: 45 tons
Length: 7.0 meters
Width: 3.3 meters
Height: 3.0 meters
Speed: 22 MPH
Engine: 600hp
Range: 275 miles
Armament: 1x75mm/L45 Cannon in turret; 1x.50cal in turret; 1x.30cal in hull
Armour: 100mm front hull (Sloped equivilent), 80mm side hull, 120mm front turret, 90mm side turret

Hrolf, how do these specs look in tanksharp?

I have no issue except you maybe need 5 men instead of four.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
I'll take a look in a bit. Who mans the .30 caliber MG in the hull? Or is it a fixed mount?

The 30 cal mg is in the front hull, the 50 cal is a co-axle in the turret.
Might as well raise her crew to 5 as well as per Perdedor's advise.

The fifth crew member being radio operator and hull gunner?

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
I'll take a look in a bit. Who mans the .30 caliber MG in the hull? Or is it a fixed mount?

The 30 cal mg is in the front hull, the 50 cal is a co-axle in the turret.
Might as well raise her crew to 5 as well as per Perdedor's advise.

Yeah, if you want it in the front hull and aimable, you're going to need a 5 man crew.


As far as the revised design goes, because of those heavy side plates, you're up just under 50 tons. Keep in mind that the the Tiger (a 56 ton vehicle that's not as long as your TT-37, though somewhat taller) had only 80mm upper side plates, the lower side had only 60mm armor (but was somewhat protected by the road wheels). If you want 45 tons (and that's a good mark to aim for), here's what I can get you:

Vehicle Name TT-37
Vehicle Type tank

Length 7.00 meters
Width 2.94 meters
Height 2.70 meters

Crew 5.00 men
Passengers 0.00 men

Weight Breakdown
Crew Weight 0.90 metric tons
Passenger Weight 0.00 metric tons
Miscellaneous Weight 0.11 metric tons
Armor Weight 27.50 metric tons
Armament Weight 1.01 metric tons
Ammunition Weight 1.44 metric tons
Engine Weight 2.48 metric tons
Fuel Weight 1.66 metric tons
APU Weight 0.00 metric tons
Energy Bank Weight 0.08 metric tons
Transmission Weight 1.30 metric tons
Amphibious Equipment Weight 0.00 metric tons
Suspension Weight 3.21 metric tons
Track Weight 4.25 metric tons
Road Wheel Weight 1.02 metric tons
Applique Armor Package A 1.28 metric tons
Applique Armor Package B 4.81 metric tons
Cargo Payload 0.00 metric tons

Mobility and Performance Breakdown

Engine 600.00 horsepower
Fuel Capacity 520.00 gallons
Maximum Hull Speed (water) 7.39 MPH

Baseline Upgraded (A) Upgraded (A+B)
Combat Weight 44.97 46.25 51.05 metric tons
Growth Capability (Transmission) 5.08 3.80 -1.00 metric tons
Growth Capability (Suspension) 0.03 -1.25 -6.05 metric tons
Ground Pressure 11.48 11.80 13.03 PSI
Power/Weight Ratio 13.34 12.97 11.75 hp/metric ton
Top Speed 24.18 23.52 21.30 MPH
Operating Range 262.08 254.86 230.85 miles

Amphibious Performance Breakdown
Density of Vehicle 1.49 1.53 1.69 g/cm3
Vehicle Freeboard (Transiting) -2.87 -2.99 -3.46 meters
Vehicle Freeboard (Dropped In) -4.54 -4.71 -5.35 meters
Vehicle Draft (Transiting) 4.37 4.49 4.96 meters
Vehicle Draft (Dropped in) 6.04 6.21 6.85 meters
Water Speed #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! MPH
Operating Range In Water #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! miles

Armament Breakdown
Hull Turret AA
Rifle Calibre MGs 1.00 0.00 0.00
HMGs 0.00 1.00 0.00

Hull Turret Total
ATGMs 0.00 0.00 0.00 rounds stowed
Rifle Calibre 800.00 0.00 800.00 rounds stowed
HMG Calibre 0.00 1,200.00 1,200.00 rounds stowed

Calibre (mm) # in Hull # in Turret Rounds (hull) Rounds (Turret)
Cannon/Gun 1 76.20 0.00 1.00 21 80
Cannon/Gun 2 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 0

BASELINE PROTECTION LEVELS
KE (mm) HEAT (mm) KE Resistance HEAT Resistance
Front Hull Armor 89.92 89.92 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Side Hull Armor 67.35 67.35 Resistant to 40mm L70 M56 AP Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Rear Hull Armor 60.35 60.35 Resistant to Soviet 30x210mm M53 Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Top Hull Armor 20.00 20.00 Resistant to 7.62 Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Hull Floor Armor 25.00 25.00 Resistant to 12.7 Penetratable by Virtually Anything

KE (mm) HEAT (mm) KE Resistance HEAT Resistance
Front Turret Armor 121.37 121.37 Resistant to US 25mm Resistant to Bazooka
Side Turret Armor 88.00 88.00 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Rear Turret Armor 88.00 88.00 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Top Turret Armor 20.00 20.00 Resistant to 7.62 Penetratable by Virtually Anything

Hmm 89mm I assume thats an average thickness? Is that with front hull armour sloped as per AT-35/36?

I'd be willing to tack on 2 more tons strictly to armour, perhaps more on the sides?

Correct, average thickness. Actually, the slope was based on that of the KV-1. Here's a 47 ton version....

Vehicle Name TT-37
Vehicle Type tank

Length 7.00 meters
Width 3.00 meters
Height 2.70 meters

Crew 5.00 men
Passengers 0.00 men

Weight Breakdown
Crew Weight 0.90 metric tons
Passenger Weight 0.00 metric tons
Miscellaneous Weight 0.11 metric tons
Armor Weight 29.03 metric tons
Armament Weight 1.01 metric tons
Ammunition Weight 1.44 metric tons
Engine Weight 2.48 metric tons
Fuel Weight 1.66 metric tons
APU Weight 0.00 metric tons
Energy Bank Weight 0.08 metric tons
Transmission Weight 1.30 metric tons
Amphibious Equipment Weight 0.00 metric tons
Suspension Weight 3.36 metric tons
Track Weight 4.52 metric tons
Road Wheel Weight 1.09 metric tons
Applique Armor Package A 1.28 metric tons
Applique Armor Package B 4.76 metric tons
Cargo Payload 0.00 metric tons

Mobility and Performance Breakdown

Engine 600.00 horsepower
Fuel Capacity 520.00 gallons
Maximum Hull Speed (water) 7.39 MPH

Baseline Upgraded (A) Upgraded (A+B)
Combat Weight 46.98 48.25 53.01 metric tons
Growth Capability (Transmission) 3.07 1.80 -2.96 metric tons
Growth Capability (Suspension) 0.02 -1.25 -6.01 metric tons
Ground Pressure 11.32 11.62 12.77 PSI
Power/Weight Ratio 12.77 12.43 11.32 hp/metric ton
Top Speed 23.15 22.54 20.51 MPH
Operating Range 250.87 244.24 222.32 miles

Amphibious Performance Breakdown
Density of Vehicle 1.54 1.59 1.74 g/cm3
Vehicle Freeboard (Transiting) -3.07 -3.19 -3.65 meters
Vehicle Freeboard (Dropped In) -4.80 -4.98 -5.61 meters
Vehicle Draft (Transiting) 4.57 4.69 5.15 meters
Vehicle Draft (Dropped in) 6.30 6.48 7.11 meters
Water Speed #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! MPH
Operating Range In Water #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! miles

Armament Breakdown
Hull Turret AA
Rifle Calibre MGs 1.00 0.00 0.00
HMGs 0.00 1.00 0.00

Hull Turret Total
ATGMs 0.00 0.00 0.00 rounds stowed
Rifle Calibre 800.00 0.00 800.00 rounds stowed
HMG Calibre 0.00 1,200.00 1,200.00 rounds stowed

Calibre (mm) # in Hull # in Turret Rounds (hull) Rounds (Turret)
Cannon/Gun 1 76.20 0.00 1.00 21 80
Cannon/Gun 2 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 0

BASELINE PROTECTION LEVELS
KE (mm) HEAT (mm) KE Resistance HEAT Resistance
Front Hull Armor 97.91 97.91 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Side Hull Armor 72.57 72.57 Resistant to 40mm L70 M56 AP Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Rear Hull Armor 60.35 60.35 Resistant to Soviet 30x210mm M53 Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Top Hull Armor 20.00 20.00 Resistant to 7.62 Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Hull Floor Armor 25.00 25.00 Resistant to 12.7 Penetratable by Virtually Anything

KE (mm) HEAT (mm) KE Resistance HEAT Resistance
Front Turret Armor 121.37 121.37 Resistant to US 25mm Resistant to Bazooka
Side Turret Armor 91.10 91.10 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Rear Turret Armor 91.10 91.10 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Top Turret Armor 20.00 20.00 Resistant to 7.62 Penetratable by Virtually Anything

Both look good. I guess the 45 ton version will be the initial design with the second being an upgraded version.

Last request, can you push the front hull armour to above 100mm, add a 3.95" gun and still keep her below 50 tons?

Here's the base design with upgrade.

Vehicle Name TT-37
Vehicle Type tank

Length 7.00 meters
Width 2.98 meters
Height 2.70 meters

Crew 5.00 men
Passengers 0.00 men

Weight Breakdown
Crew Weight 0.90 metric tons
Passenger Weight 0.00 metric tons
Miscellaneous Weight 0.11 metric tons
Armor Weight 27.25 metric tons
Armament Weight 1.01 metric tons
Ammunition Weight 1.31 metric tons
Engine Weight 2.48 metric tons
Fuel Weight 1.66 metric tons
APU Weight 0.00 metric tons
Energy Bank Weight 0.08 metric tons
Transmission Weight 1.30 metric tons
Amphibious Equipment Weight 0.00 metric tons
Suspension Weight 3.36 metric tons
Track Weight 4.42 metric tons
Road Wheel Weight 1.07 metric tons
Applique Armor Package A 1.94 metric tons
Applique Armor Package B 0.00 metric tons
Cargo Payload 0.00 metric tons

Mobility and Performance Breakdown

Engine 600.00 horsepower
Fuel Capacity 520.00 gallons
Maximum Hull Speed (water) 7.39 MPH

Baseline Upgraded (A) Upgraded (A+B)
Combat Weight 44.95 46.90 46.90 metric tons
Growth Capability (Transmission) 5.10 3.15 3.15 metric tons
Growth Capability (Suspension) 2.05 0.10 0.10 metric tons
Ground Pressure 11.07 11.55 11.55 PSI
Power/Weight Ratio 13.35 12.79 12.79 hp/metric ton
Top Speed 24.19 23.19 23.19 MPH
Operating Range 262.19 251.32 251.32 miles

Amphibious Performance Breakdown
Density of Vehicle 1.48 1.54 1.54 g/cm3
Vehicle Freeboard (Transiting) -2.87 -3.06 -3.06 meters
Vehicle Freeboard (Dropped In) -4.53 -4.79 -4.79 meters
Vehicle Draft (Transiting) 4.37 4.56 4.56 meters
Vehicle Draft (Dropped in) 6.03 6.29 6.29 meters
Water Speed #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! MPH
Operating Range In Water #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! miles

Armament Breakdown
Hull Turret AA
Rifle Calibre MGs 1.00 0.00 0.00
HMGs 0.00 1.00 0.00

Hull Turret Total
ATGMs 0.00 0.00 0.00 rounds stowed
Rifle Calibre 800.00 0.00 800.00 rounds stowed
HMG Calibre 0.00 1,200.00 1,200.00 rounds stowed

Calibre (mm) # in Hull # in Turret Rounds (hull) Rounds (Turret)
Cannon/Gun 1 76.20 0.00 1.00 10 80
Cannon/Gun 2 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 0

BASELINE PROTECTION LEVELS
KE (mm) HEAT (mm) KE Resistance HEAT Resistance
Front Hull Armor 97.91 97.91 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Side Hull Armor 65.13 65.13 Resistant to Soviet 30x210mm M53 Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Rear Hull Armor 60.35 60.35 Resistant to Soviet 30x210mm M53 Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Top Hull Armor 20.00 20.00 Resistant to 7.62 Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Hull Floor Armor 25.00 25.00 Resistant to 12.7 Penetratable by Virtually Anything

KE (mm) HEAT (mm) KE Resistance HEAT Resistance
Front Turret Armor 121.37 121.37 Resistant to US 25mm Resistant to Bazooka
Side Turret Armor 88.00 88.00 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Rear Turret Armor 88.00 88.00 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Top Turret Armor 20.00 20.00 Resistant to 7.62 Penetratable by Virtually Anything

UPGRADED (A) PROTECTION LEVELS
KE (mm) HEAT (mm) KE Resistance HEAT Resistance
Front Hull Armor 97.91 97.91 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Side Hull Armor 75.15 75.15 Resistant to 40mm L70 M56 AP Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Rear Hull Armor 60.35 60.35 Resistant to Soviet 30x210mm M53 Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Top Hull Armor 20.00 20.00 Resistant to 7.62 Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Hull Floor Armor 25.00 25.00 Resistant to 12.7 Penetratable by Virtually Anything

KE (mm) HEAT (mm) KE Resistance HEAT Resistance
Front Turret Armor 121.37 121.37 Resistant to US 25mm Resistant to Bazooka
Side Turret Armor 98.35 98.35 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Rear Turret Armor 98.35 98.35 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything

And here's a version with a 100mm/50 gun. The turret is getting very tight, even with over half of the 100mm rounds stored in the hull). But it is, as requested, under 50 tons.

Vehicle Name TT-37-100
Vehicle Type tank

Length 7.00 meters
Width 3.06 meters
Height 2.70 meters

Crew 5.00 men
Passengers 0.00 men

Weight Breakdown
Crew Weight 0.90 metric tons
Passenger Weight 0.00 metric tons
Miscellaneous Weight 0.11 metric tons
Armor Weight 30.28 metric tons
Armament Weight 2.07 metric tons
Ammunition Weight 1.51 metric tons
Engine Weight 2.48 metric tons
Fuel Weight 1.66 metric tons
APU Weight 0.00 metric tons
Energy Bank Weight 0.08 metric tons
Transmission Weight 1.30 metric tons
Amphibious Equipment Weight 0.00 metric tons
Suspension Weight 3.57 metric tons
Track Weight 4.82 metric tons
Road Wheel Weight 1.17 metric tons
Applique Armor Package A 0.00 metric tons
Applique Armor Package B 0.00 metric tons
Cargo Payload 0.00 metric tons

Mobility and Performance Breakdown

Engine 600.00 horsepower
Fuel Capacity 520.00 gallons
Maximum Hull Speed (water) 7.39 MPH

Baseline Upgraded (A) Upgraded (A+B)
Combat Weight 49.94 49.94 49.94 metric tons
Growth Capability (Transmission) 0.11 0.11 0.11 metric tons
Growth Capability (Suspension) 0.06 0.06 0.06 metric tons
Ground Pressure 11.28 11.28 11.28 PSI
Power/Weight Ratio 12.01 12.01 12.01 hp/metric ton
Top Speed 21.78 21.78 21.78 MPH
Operating Range 236.01 236.01 236.01 miles

Amphibious Performance Breakdown
Density of Vehicle 1.64 1.64 1.64 g/cm3
Vehicle Freeboard (Transiting) -3.35 -3.35 -3.35 meters
Vehicle Freeboard (Dropped In) -5.20 -5.20 -5.20 meters
Vehicle Draft (Transiting) 4.85 4.85 4.85 meters
Vehicle Draft (Dropped in) 6.70 6.70 6.70 meters
Water Speed #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! MPH
Operating Range In Water #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! miles

Armament Breakdown
Hull Turret AA
Rifle Calibre MGs 1.00 0.00 0.00
HMGs 0.00 1.00 0.00

Hull Turret Total
ATGMs 0.00 0.00 0.00 rounds stowed
Rifle Calibre 800.00 0.00 800.00 rounds stowed
HMG Calibre 0.00 1,200.00 1,200.00 rounds stowed

Calibre (mm) # in Hull # in Turret Rounds (hull) Rounds (Turret)
Cannon/Gun 1 100.00 0.00 1.00 30 20
Cannon/Gun 2 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 0

BASELINE PROTECTION LEVELS
KE (mm) HEAT (mm) KE Resistance HEAT Resistance
Front Hull Armor 117.49 117.49 Resistant to US 25mm Resistant to Bazooka
Side Hull Armor 75.15 75.15 Resistant to 40mm L70 M56 AP Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Rear Hull Armor 60.35 60.35 Resistant to Soviet 30x210mm M53 Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Top Hull Armor 20.00 20.00 Resistant to 7.62 Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Hull Floor Armor 25.00 25.00 Resistant to 12.7 Penetratable by Virtually Anything

KE (mm) HEAT (mm) KE Resistance HEAT Resistance
Front Turret Armor 121.37 121.37 Resistant to US 25mm Resistant to Bazooka
Side Turret Armor 98.35 98.35 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Rear Turret Armor 98.35 98.35 Resistant to US 25mm Penetratable by Virtually Anything
Top Turret Armor 20.00 20.00 Resistant to 7.62 Penetratable by Virtually Anything