Persian Arms RfP

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Vukovlad

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 12:31am

Persian Arms RfP

Persia is issuing an urgent RfP for 100,000 Bolt action rifles, 17,000 SMG and 13,000 LMG. Persia is also looking for 360 light artillery pieces.

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 12:40am

Caliber requirements for these weapons?

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Vukovlad

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 12:43am

Delivery time is more important than caliber but 7,92x57 mm for Rifles and LMG´s and 9 mm Parabellum for the SMG is prefered and 75 or 76,2 mm for the light artillery

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Vukovlad

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 12:58am

I am guessing there are still large WW1 stores of arms and munition lying around

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Brockpaine

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 1:01am

Quoted

Originally posted by Vukovlad
I am guessing there are still large WW1 stores of arms and munition lying around

At the rate we're burning through it in South America?

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Vukovlad

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 1:07am

Good point...

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Brockpaine

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 1:14am

Though having said that, I think only Argentina and Brazil have small arms calibers that were used during the Great War...

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Vukovlad

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 1:23am

Well an amazing variety of calibers was used during WW1

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Brockpaine

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 1:35am

I'm presuming Colombia uses the Altantean Lycurgus rifle, with it's .30 Alcyone round; so far as I'm aware, they'd be the only possible export order for the Lycurgus. Chile (and after checking my Mauser book, Brazil) use the 7x57mm Mauser... Peru has the historical Argentine Mauser (7.65x53); Bolivia uses the same round. I think only Argentina and Colombia use ammo used by Great War belligerents!

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 2:28am

India would seem to be a logical source for the small arms, though China also uses the 7.92mm and 9mm rounds. I don't have any idea who would have 360 surplus 75mm guns, though, perhaps the French given how many 75s they had during the Great War. Germany is pretty well tapped out after the shipment of a bunch of surplus Mausers to Argentina.

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Vukovlad

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 2:44am

Like I said delivery dates are more important, what rifles do SAE use?

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HoOmAn

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 7:42am

Deadly ones!

[No idea, actually....]

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TheCanadian

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 8:45am

French arty numbers

In OTL, the French built 17,500 75's during the Great War, as well as 4,100 prior to it. Many pieces were sold to various countries around the world, because there were so many of them, although in 1939 the French still had a sizeable number in their artillery park 4,500 to be exact. In WW those numbers may or may not be a bit skewed. The contributing factors being the length of the WW Great War(an area im unsure about) which may decrease the number produced, the potential availabity of similar Atlantean 75s replacing the OTL French in various countries in WW.

As well, Poland seeing first hand the devastating effects of massed Russian artillery in the Wilno Crisis is planning on upgrading/expanding its artillery park beginning in late 1938, likely with the Skoda 76.5mm so a fair number of 75s will be available for export sales in 39/40.

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 11:53am

RE: French arty numbers

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Originally posted by TheCanadian
As well, Poland seeing first hand the devastating effects of massed Russian artillery in the Wilno Crisis is planning on upgrading/expanding its artillery park beginning in late 1938, likely with the Skoda 76.5mm so a fair number of 75s will be available for export sales in 39/40.

I could certainly see the Poles getting even more of the76.5mm Skodas, since the Russians use mostly 76.2mm guns (3-1 with 122mm howitzers) at divisonal level, though things do tip a bit (to 3-2) if the corps-level heavy artillery brigade comes up. It's mostly that the Russians have lots of artillery tubes in their OOB, rather than the Poles being confronted with bigger guns.

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 12:02pm

The US could supply a number of surplus 3" howitzers, cavalry howitzers, and field guns that are now surplus to requirements. The US could also supply around 40,000 M1903 Springfields, which could (now or later) be rebarrelled to 7.92 x 57mm easily if desired. The US does not have a surplus of LMGs or SMGs.

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Vukovlad

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 3:59pm

Persia would be happy to take the US surplus, any Krags lying around?

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Brockpaine

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 4:02pm

Oooh, Krags... I saw a very nice Krag at the gun show over the weekend. $900.

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Hood

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 4:04pm

4,500 guns lying around in France! Don't tell us that or all the South American nations will be buying them up for a final big KABLAM!

Britain has Lee Enfields lying around and Vickers could offer the Vickers-Berthier LMG (new-build only) but political issues as of Q4/37 would mean delivery might not go ahead.

Saying that private arms dealers operating within the Empire could probably get 1,000-1,500 Enfields together in a short time.

No artillery, I think Persia has probably cleaned out my 18pdr stocks for now but as the 25pdr issue grows more will be on the market during 1938.

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Vukovlad

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 4:07pm

US Krag?

BTW HH are the Springfields in 30-06 or .30-03

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perdedor99

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Tuesday, October 13th 2009, 4:07pm

India could deliver IRF-05 rifles and Bhandara 1919 MG at discount price. Both firing the 7.92mm x 57 round

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