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Well, Brockpaine's question regarding passenger/troops on liners got me looking at my own passenger ship designs. I decided to blow the dust from them... and mess around with a few more...

First one is one that has been posted before in the past. I looked up the SS 1 file and converted it to SS2... only to find out about 15 minutes later that I already had done that in the past. -_-;;
Used the vague class breakdown calculation (which is probably completely incorrect) in my spreadsheet for this design.



Empress Shoken, Japan Ocean Liner laid down 1921

Displacement:
37,814 t light; 38,846 t standard; 51,576 t normal; 61,760 t full load
74,954 GRT

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
878.29 ft / 860.00 ft x 93.00 ft x 37.00 ft (normal load)
267.70 m / 262.13 m x 28.35 m x 11.28 m

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 126,065 shp / 94,045 Kw = 28.00 kts
Range 8,200nm at 27.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 22,914 tons

Complement:
855 - 1,112

Cost:
£4.916 million / $19.664 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0%
Machinery: 4,341 tons, 8.4%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 13,473 tons, 26.1%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 13,762 tons, 26.7%
Miscellaneous weights: 20,000 tons, 38.8%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
8,044 lbs / 3,648 Kg = 74.4 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 17.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.610
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.33 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 25
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 42.00 ft / 12.80 m
- Forecastle (20%): 35.00 ft / 10.67 m
- Mid (50%): 35.00 ft / 10.67 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 35.00 ft / 10.67 m
- Stern: 35.00 ft / 10.67 m
- Average freeboard: 35.56 ft / 10.84 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 70.2%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 230.2%
Waterplane Area: 59,044 Square feet or 5,485 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 180%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 635 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.82
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily



ACCOMMODATION
Elite Class Accommodation:
One-berth: 83 cabins (83)
Two-berth: 80 cabins (160)
Three-berth: 99 cabins (297)
Total: 540 passengers

Business Class Accommodation:
Two-berth: 65 cabins (130)
Three-berth: 10 cabins (30)
Four-berth: 110 cabins (440)
Total: 600 passengers

Tourist Class Accommodation:
Two-berth: 90 cabins (180)
Four-berth: 185 cabins (740)
Six-berth: 80 cabins (480)
Eight-berth: 15 cabins (120)
Ten-berth: 8 cabins (80)
Total: 1,600 passengers

Miscellaneous weight breakdown:
16t / Elite class passenger . . . . . . 540 passengers = 8,640 tons
7.5t / Business class passenger . . . . 600 passengers = 4,500 tons
2.8t / Tourist class passenger. . . . 1,600 passengers = 4,480 tons
Total passengers. . . . . . . . . . . 2,740 passengers = 17,620 tons
Cargo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 1,800 tons
Extras. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 580 tons
Grand total . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 20,000 tons


Elite Class
Cabins+Luggage: 2592 tons
Dining Room: 432 tons
Kitchen: 432 tons
Food+storage: 432 tons
Library: 864 tons
Smoking room: 864 tons
Swimming Pool, Gymnasium, Tennis Court, etc: 864 tons
Movie theatre: 432 tons
Casino: 864 tons
Miscellaneous: 864 tons

Business Class
Cabins+Luggage: 1350 tons
Dining Room: 225 tons
Kitchen: 225 tons
Food+storage: 225 tons
Library: 450 tons
Smoking room: 450 tons
Movie theatre: 225 tons
Casino: 450 tons
Miscellaneous: 900 tons

Tourist Class
Cabins+Luggage: 1344 tons
Dining Room: 224 tons
Kitchen: 224 tons
Food+storage: 224 tons
Smoking room: 448 tons
Movie theatre: 224 tons
Gambling hall: 448 tons
Miscellaneous: 1344 tons

This one was designed at the same time as the Empress Shoken. Slightly smaller, but a lot faster. I never got to post her on the board.

Same 'problem' as with the Shoken when I found out that I already had converted the ship to SS2.


Empress Kameko, Japan Ocean Liner laid down 1928

Displacement:
32,034 t light; 33,000 t standard; 48,287 t normal; 60,516 t full load
69,658 GRT

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
797.65 ft / 780.00 ft x 96.00 ft x 37.00 ft (normal load)
243.12 m / 237.74 m x 29.26 m x 11.28 m

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 243,491 shp / 181,645 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 5,875nm at 33.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 27,516 tons

Complement:
814 - 1,059

Cost:
£8.333 million / $33.333 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0%
Machinery: 7,581 tons, 15.7%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 12,454 tons, 25.8%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 16,253 tons, 33.7%
Miscellaneous weights: 12,000 tons, 24.9%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6,846 lbs / 3,105 Kg = 63.3 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 5.8 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 16.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.58

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.610
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.13 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.93 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 43.00 ft / 13.11 m
- Forecastle (20%): 34.00 ft / 10.36 m
- Mid (50%): 34.00 ft / 10.36 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 34.00 ft / 10.36 m
- Stern: 34.00 ft / 10.36 m
- Average freeboard: 34.72 ft / 10.58 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78.7%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 219.9%
Waterplane Area: 55,279 Square feet or 5,136 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 178%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 134 lbs/sq ft or 652 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 2.01
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily



ACCOMMODATION
Elite Class Accommodation:
One-berth: 39 cabins (39)
Two-berth: 38 cabins (76)
Three-berth: 45 cabins (135)
Total: 250 passengers

Business Class Accommodation:
Two-berth: 31 cabins (62)
Three-berth: 6 cabins (18)
Four-berth: 50 cabins (200)
Total: 280 passengers

Tourist Class Accommodation:
Two-berth: 36 cabins (72)
Four-berth: 75 cabins (300)
Six-berth: 32 cabins (192)
Eight-berth: 7 cabins (56)
Ten-berth: 3 cabins (30)
Total: 650 passengers

Miscellaneous weight breakdown:
20t / elite class passenger . . . . . . 250 passengers = 5,000 tons
10t / business class passenger. . . . . 280 passengers = 2,800 tons
3.5t / tourist class passenger. . . . . 650 passengers = 2,275 tons
Total passengers. . . . . . . . . . . 1,180 passengers = 10,075 tons
Cargo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 1,200 tons
Extras. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 725 tons
Grand total . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 12,000 tons



Elite Class
Cabins+Luggage: 1500 tons
Dining Room: 250 tons
Kitchen: 250 tons
Food+storage: 250 tons
Library: 500 tons
Smoking room: 500 tons
Swimming Pool, Gymnasium, Tennis Court, etc: 500 tons
Movie theatre: 250 tons
Casino: 500 tons
Miscellaneous: 500 tons

Business Class
Cabins+Luggage: 840 tons
Dining Room: 140 tons
Kitchen: 140 tons
Food+storage: 140 tons
Library: 280 tons
Smoking room: 280 tons
Movie theatre: 140 tons
Casino: 280 tons
Miscellaneous: 560 tons

Tourist Class
Cabins+Luggage: 682.5 tons
Dining Room: 113.75 tons
Kitchen: 113.75 tons
Food+storage: 113.75 tons
Smoking room: 227.5 tons
Movie theatre: 113.75 tons
Gambling hall: 227.5 tons
Miscellaneous: 682.5 tons

Bit bigger, bit faster. This design was the base of the original Floating Palace design which was even faster and bigger.


Emperor Shodahito, Japan Ocean Liner laid down 1933

Displacement:
41,044 t light; 42,158 t standard; 55,702 t normal; 66,537 t full load
79,254 GRT

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
875.72 ft / 850.00 ft x 94.00 ft x 40.00 ft (normal load)
266.92 m / 259.08 m x 28.65 m x 12.19 m

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 294,635 shp / 219,797 Kw = 35.50 kts
Range 4,840nm at 35.50 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 24,379 tons

Complement:
906 - 1,178

Cost:
£12.473 million / $49.890 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 8,585 tons, 15.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 14,459 tons, 26.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 14,658 tons, 26.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 18,000 tons, 32.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7,033 lbs / 3,190 Kg = 65.1 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 17.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.610
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.04 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 33.15 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 33
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 40.00 ft / 12.19 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 35.50 ft / 10.82 m
- Mid (50 %): 35.50 ft / 10.82 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 35.50 ft / 10.82 m
- Stern: 35.50 ft / 10.82 m
- Average freeboard: 35.86 ft / 10.93 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 229.5 %
Waterplane Area: 61,489 Square feet or 5,712 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 158 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 665 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 2.01
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily



ACCOMMODATION
Elite Class Accommodation:
One-berth: 60 cabins (60)
Two-berth: 57 cabins (114)
Three-berth: 72 cabins (216)
Total: 390 passengers

Business Class Accommodation:
Two-berth: 44 cabins (88)
Three-berth: 8 cabins (24)
Four-berth: 77 cabins (308)
Total: 420 passengers

Tourist Class Accommodation:
Two-berth: 57 cabins (114)
Four-berth: 116 cabins (464)
Six-berth: 50 cabins (300)
Eight-berth: 9 cabins (72)
Ten-berth: 5 cabins (50)
Total: 1000 passengers

Miscellaneous weight breakdown:
20t / elite class passenger . . . . . . 390 passengers = 7,800 tons
10t / business class passenger. . . . . 420 passengers = 4,200 tons
3.5t / tourist class passenger. . . . 1,000 passengers = 3,500 tons
Total passengers. . . . . . . . . . . 1,810 passengers = 15,500 tons
Cargo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 1,600 tons
Extras. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 900 tons
Grand total . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 18,000 tons



Elite Class
Cabins+Luggage: 2340 tons
Dining Room: 390 tons
Kitchen: 390 tons
Food+storage: 390 tons
Library: 780 tons
Smoking room: 780 tons
Swimming Pool, Gymnasium, Tennis Court, etc: 780 tons
Movie theatre: 390 tons
Casino: 780 tons
Miscellaneous: 780 tons

Business Class
Cabins+Luggage: 1260 tons
Dining Room: 210 tons
Kitchen: 210 tons
Food+storage: 210 tons
Library: 420 tons
Smoking room: 420 tons
Movie theatre: 210 tons
Casino: 420 tons
Miscellaneous: 840 tons

Tourist Class
Cabins+Luggage: 1050 tons
Dining Room: 175 tons
Kitchen: 175 tons
Food+storage: 175 tons
Smoking room: 350 tons
Movie theatre: 175 tons
Gambling hall: 350 tons
Miscellaneous: 1050 tons Class

Doesn't look too bad at all. I like the Empress Kameko design best, I think.

I've got this crazy liner idea I'll post in a few hours or so once I re-sim it with the new weight guidelines I have. It's an IRISH ocean liner.

Most sad that Chile doesn't really have a market for good ocean liners! I've simmed up some cargo-mail ships, though...

Final version of the Floating Palace. Has been posted before. Last ocean liner for now.



The Floating Palace III, Japan Ocean Liner laid down 1936

Displacement:
48,818 t light; 50,018 t standard; 60,000 t normal; 67,984 t full load
90,814 GRT

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
916.51 ft / 880.00 ft x 106.00 ft x 35.00 ft (normal load)
279.35 m / 268.22 m x 32.31 m x 10.67 m

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 150,000 shp / 111,900 Kw = 29.35 kts
Range 6,100nm at 29.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 17,966 tons

Complement:
958 - 1,246

Cost:
£12.116 million / $48.464 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0%
Machinery: 4,209 tons, 7.0%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 16,610 tons, 27.7%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 11,181 tons, 18.6%
Miscellaneous weights: 28,000 tons, 46.7%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9,999 lbs / 4,535 Kg = 92.5 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
Metacentric height 6.0 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 18.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.643
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.30 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 33.85 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 25
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 45.00 ft / 13.72 m
- Forecastle (20%): 40.00 ft / 12.19 m
- Mid (50%): 40.00 ft / 12.19 m
- Quarterdeck (20%): 32.00 ft / 9.75 m (40.00 ft / 12.19 m before break)
- Stern: 32.00 ft / 9.75 m
- Average freeboard: 38.80 ft / 11.83 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.2%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 294.6%
Waterplane Area: 74,079 Square feet or 6,882 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 165%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 142 lbs/sq ft or 695 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.83
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily



ACCOMMODATION
Elite Class Accommodation:
One-berth: 61 cabins (61 passengers)
Two-berth: 59 cabins (118 passengers)
Three-berth: 73 cabins (219 passengers)
Total: 398 passengers

Business Class Accommodation:
Two-berth: 44 cabins (88 passengers)
Three-berth: 8 cabins (24 passengers)
Four-berth: 77 cabins (308 passengers)
Total: 420 passengers

Tourist Class Accommodation:
Two-berth: 68 cabins (136 passengers)
Four-berth: 139 cabins (556 passengers)
Six-berth: 60 cabins (360 passengers)
Eight-berth: 11 cabins (88 passengers)
Ten-berth: 6 cabins (60 passengers)
Total: 1,200 passengers

Elite Class: 9,950 tons
Business Class: 6,300 tons
Tourist Class: 6,000 tons
Cargo: 2,500 tons
Extras: 3,250 tons
Total miscellaneous load: 28,000 tons


Elite class breakdown 9,950 tons
cabins+luggage: 3,000 tons
Dining Room: 500 tons
Kitchen: 500 tons
Food+storage: 500 tons
Library: 1000 tons
Smoking room, Reading and Writing Room, Lounge: 1000 tons
Swimming Pool, Gymnasium, Tennis Court, etc: 1000 tons
Movie theatre: 500 tons
Casino: 1000 tons
Miscellaneous: 950 tons

Business class breakdown 6,300 tons
cabins+luggage: 1,890 tons
Dining Room: 315 tons
Kitchen: 315 tons
Food+storage: 315 tons
Library: 630 tons
Smoking room, Reading and Writing Room, Lounge: 630 tons
Movie theatre: 315 tons
Casino: 630 tons
Miscellaneous: 1260 tons

Tourist class breakdown 6,000 tons
cabins+luggage: 1,800 tons
Dining Room: 300 tons
Kitchen: 300 tons
Food+storage: 300 tons
Smoking room, Reading and Writing Room, Lounge: 600 tons
Movie theatre: 300 tons
Casino: 600 tons
Miscellaneous: 1800 tons


Facilities breakdown: 3,250 tons
Casino: 800 tons (total with the above Casino bits 3030 tons)
Observation Facilities: 300
-- Stern observation rooms: 100 tons
-- Stem observation rooms: 100 tons
-- Casino observation rooms: 100 tons
Fight Arena: 600 tons
Security facilities: 1350 tons
-- Security room (2x): 200 tons
-- Security personel rooms: 750 tons (250 men)
-- Special security passages, doors, etc.: 400 tons
Villain facilities: 200 tons
-- Concrete Shoe room: 25 tons
-- Soundproof room: 25 tons
-- Punchbag room: 25 tons
-- Piano room: 25 tons
-- Fishing room: 25 tons
-- Trapdoors: 25 tons
-- Body disposal room: 50 tons
-- Fish room: 100 tons

Quoted

Originally posted by Brockpaine
Doesn't look too bad at all.

I've got this crazy liner idea I'll post in a few hours or so once I re-sim it with the new weight guidelines I have. It's an IRISH ocean liner.

Well, that has got to be better than a Filipino one.

[SIZE=4]*KABOOM* [/SIZE]

Shorter ranged, less luxurious passenger ship (i.e. no Elite class). Furthest it would probably go is Signapore or Jakarta.


Hime, Japan Passenger Ship laid down 1933

Displacement:
15,226 t light; 15,631 t standard; 20,262 t normal; 23,967 t full load
28820 GRT

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
640.00 ft / 640.00 ft x 72.00 ft x 27.00 ft (normal load)
195.07 m / 195.07 m x 21.95 m x 8.23 m

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 129,324 shp / 96,476 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 3,500nm at 33.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,335 tons

Complement:
424 - 552

Cost:
£5.013 million / $20.052 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0%
Machinery: 3,768 tons, 18.6%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,458 tons, 26.9%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,036 tons, 24.9%
Miscellaneous weights: 6,000 tons, 29.6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
2,344 lbs / 1,063 Kg = 21.7 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 16.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.570
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.89 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 31.00 ft / 9.45 m
- Forecastle (20%): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Mid (50%): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Stern: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Average freeboard: 23.64 ft / 7.21 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.0%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 176.3%
Waterplane Area: 34,129 Square feet or 3,171 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 150%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 497 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.43
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent


ACCOMMODATION
Business Class Accommodation:
Two-berth: 27 cabins (54)
Three-berth: 4 cabins (12)
Four-berth: 46 cabins (184)
Total: 250 passengers

Tourist Class Accommodation:
Two-berth: 39 cabins (78)
Four-berth: 81 cabins (324)
Six-berth: 35 cabins (210)
Eight-berth: 6 cabins (48)
Ten-berth: 4 cabins (40)
Total: 700 passengers

Miscellaneous weight breakdown:
10t / business class passenger. . . . . 250 passengers = 2,500 tons
3.5t / tourist class passenger. . . . . 700 passengers = 2,450 tons
Total passengers. . . . . . . . . . . . 950 passengers = 4,950 tons
Cargo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 600 tons
Extras. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 450 tons
Grand total . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 6,000 tons



Business Class
Cabins: 750 tons
Dining Room: 125 tons
Kitchen: 125 tons
Food+storage: 125 tons
Library: 250 tons
Smoking room: 250 tons
Movie theatre: 125 tons
Casino: 250 tons
Miscellaneous: 500 tons

Tourist Class
Cabins: 735 tons
Dining Room: 122.5 tons
Kitchen: 122.5 tons
Food+storage: 122.5 tons
Smoking room: 245 tons
Movie theatre: 122.5 tons
Gambling hall: 245 tons
Miscellaneous: 735 tons

*Chile quietly slips Harlock a bit of cash to "liberate" a Hime for escort carrier conversion...*

The large Pusan-Fukuoka ferry (hence the short range) for carrying passengers, cars, lorries as well as the Asia Express train at fairly high speed (hence the size).

The Asia Expres (a Selkirk+15 passenger wagons) runs from Aomori, Japan all the way to Tabriz, Persia (or perhaps further).



Ferry A, Japan Multi Purpose Ferry laid down 1930

Displacement:
28,652 t light; 29,282 t standard; 31,500 t normal; 33,274 t full load
45,955 GRT

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
700.00 ft / 700.00 ft x 100.00 ft x 26.25 ft (normal load)
213.36 m / 213.36 m x 30.48 m x 8.00 m

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 178,251 shp / 132,975 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 1,200nm at 31.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,992 tons

Complement:
591 - 768

Cost:
£7.356 million / $29.424 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0%
Machinery: 5,402 tons, 17.1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,751 tons, 27.8%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,848 tons, 9.0%
Miscellaneous weights: 14,500 tons, 46.0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
3,107 lbs / 1,409 Kg = 28.7 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 18.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.600
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.46 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
- Forecastle (20%): 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Mid (50%): 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Stern: 25.00 ft / 7.62 m
- Average freeboard: 25.40 ft / 7.74 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.8%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 206.4%
Waterplane Area: 51,197 Square feet or 4,756 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 598 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.29
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent




Miscellaneous weight breakdown:
8.8t / business class passenger . . . . 500 passengers = 4,400 tons
3.3t / tourist class passenger. . . . 1,400 passengers = 4,620 tons
Total passengers. . . . . . . . . . . 1,900 passengers = 9,020 tons
1 Locomotive + 15 passenger wagons. . . . . . . . . . .= 1,700 tons
Cars. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 800 tons
Cargo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 1,500 tons
Extras. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 980 tons
Grand total . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 14,000 tons

And the last one... The biggest, most intimidating passenger vessel of them all...


FerryX, Japan Ferry laid down 1930

Displacement:
1,976 t light; 2,019 t standard; 2,173 t normal; 2,296 t full load
3,185 GRT

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
266.02 ft / 260.00 ft x 52.00 ft x 11.25 ft (normal load)
81.08 m / 79.25 m x 15.85 m x 3.43 m

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 5,032 shp / 3,754 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 1,500nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 276 tons

Complement:
79 - 103

Cost:
£0.378 million / $1.514 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0%
Machinery: 152 tons, 7.0%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 623 tons, 28.7%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 197 tons, 9.1%
Miscellaneous weights: 1,200 tons, 55.2%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
296 lbs / 134 Kg = 2.7 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 14.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 16.12 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Forecastle (20%): 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Mid (50%): 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Stern: 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
- Average freeboard: 10.40 ft / 3.17 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.3%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.6%
Waterplane Area: 9,008 Square feet or 837 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 144%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 53 lbs/sq ft or 261 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.69
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate



1.8t / Passenger. . . . . . . . . . . . 600 passengers = 1,080 tons
Cargo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 120 tons
Grand total . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .= 1,200 tons


Should be noted that since the journeys of this one would be probably 3-5 hours max, I considered it unnecessary to fit cabins on it so I halved the required tonnage per passenger...

... and being a simple ferry, it is single class only.

Quoted

Originally posted by Brockpaine
*Chile quietly slips Harlock a bit of cash to "liberate" a Hime for escort carrier conversion...*

Love to know how you will get it to the other side of the Pacific. You need to get away as quickly as possible but at full speed you won't even be able to make Hawaii. Go slower and the IJN will catch up with the ship.

Edit: adjusted the complements of the ships (divided by 2) as well as the damages (shell damage divided by 10, torpedo damage divided by 2).

This vessel is registered in Ireland but usually cruises the Mediterranean, the Madiera Sea, the Tauran Sea, and the Caribbean Sea, carrying passengers who are looking for a relaxing vacation on an old windjammer... albeit one that's really comfortable.

[SIZE=3]Imperial Clipper, Irish Cruise Liner Clipper laid down 1938[/SIZE]

Displacement:
4,796 t light; 4,917 t standard; 6,003 t normal; 6,872 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
472.14 ft / 440.00 ft x 54.00 ft x 18.50 ft (normal load)
143.91 m / 134.11 m x 16.46 m x 5.64 m

Sails:
56,000 ft² (5,202.6 m²) sail area
5 masts, square-rigged
35-foot bowsprit
Speed exceeds 18.00 kts if wind cooperative
Range: a number with a theoretically large number of zeroes behind it.

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 7,549 shp / 5,631 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 8,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,956 tons

Complement:
340 - 443

Cost:
£1.109 million / $4.437 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 207 tons, 3.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,290 tons, 54.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,207 tons, 20.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 1,300 tons, 21.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
20,860 lbs / 9,462 Kg = 193.1 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 4.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 14.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.478
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.15 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.98 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 35 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 32
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 40.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Mid (50 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Stern: 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Average freeboard: 19.56 ft / 5.96 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 36.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 164.5 %
Waterplane Area: 15,522 Square feet or 1,442 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 350 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 605 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.63
- Longitudinal: 3.80
- Overall: 1.78
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily

Breakdown of Miscellaneous Weights:
- 800 tons for sails and rigging
- 500 tons for 50 first-class passengers

[SIZE=1]Image originally by wes/thesmilingassassin and modified (heavily) by me.[/SIZE]

This is the premier Chilean-flagged "liner". Due to the low number of first-class passengers when compared to second and third-class passengers - and the relative lack of passenger travel in general - this vessel is intended to also carry perishable or luxury cargoes alongside it's mainly-second-class passengers. It is a standard ship design endorsed by the Chilean Navy: Chilean shipping companies can rent ships from Directemar (the Chilean Merchant Navy Directorate) but those ships are subject to being called up during wartime.

[SIZE=3]Passenger Commander, Fast Cargo/Passenger Ship laid down 1935[/SIZE]

Displacement:
7,894 t light; 8,114 t standard; 11,000 t normal; 13,309 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
584.76 ft / 580.00 ft x 62.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
178.24 m / 176.78 m x 18.90 m x 7.32 m

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 29,144 shp / 21,741 Kw = 24.00 kts
Range 15,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 5,195 tons

Complement:
536 - 698

Cost:
£1.997 million / $7.987 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 828 tons, 7.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,066 tons, 27.9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,106 tons, 28.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 4,000 tons, 36.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
17,141 lbs / 7,775 Kg = 158.7 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 15.5 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.55

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.446
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.35 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.08 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 33
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Stern: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 16.88 ft / 5.15 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 64.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130.0 %
Waterplane Area: 22,865 Square feet or 2,124 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 194 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 84 lbs/sq ft or 408 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.18
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily

Quoted

Originally posted by Rooijen10

Quoted

Originally posted by Brockpaine
*Chile quietly slips Harlock a bit of cash to "liberate" a Hime for escort carrier conversion...*

Love to know how you will get it to the other side of the Pacific. You need to get away as quickly as possible but at full speed you won't even be able to make Hawaii. Go slower and the IJN will catch up with the ship.

I strongly suspect that Harlock's perfected the art of UNREP at this juncture. (:

Well, we were talking a bit about the low BC of the Passenger Commander before the crash...

Brock, how about something like this? Roughly the same as yours, with slightly different dimensions and a higher BC.


Passenger Commander, Fast Cargo/Passenger Ship laid down 1935

Displacement:
7,952 t light; 8,175 t standard; 11,175 t normal; 13,575 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
568.53 ft / 560.00 ft x 62.00 ft x 19.00 ft (normal load)
173.29 m / 170.69 m x 18.90 m x 5.79 m

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 31,294 shp / 23,346 Kw = 24.00 kts
Range 15,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 5,400 tons

Complement:
543 - 706

Cost:
£2.050 million / $8.202 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0%
Machinery: 889 tons, 8.0%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,063 tons, 27.4%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,223 tons, 28.8%
Miscellaneous weights: 4,000 tons, 35.8%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19,109 lbs / 8,668 Kg = 176.9 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 15.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.64

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.593
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.03 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.66 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (20%): 17.55 ft / 5.35 m
- Mid (50%): 17.55 ft / 5.35 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 17.55 ft / 5.35 m
- Stern: 17.55 ft / 5.35 m
- Average freeboard: 17.75 ft / 5.41 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 65.6%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155.3%
Waterplane Area: 25,226 Square feet or 2,344 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 193%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 82 lbs/sq ft or 400 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.00
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily

Ah, thanks. I saw the sim and commented on it, but it seems my comments disappeared with the original post...

Yes, that seems to work well. I still wish I could find an appropriate 33-knot civilian ship to appropriate, but, well, that's taking "escort carrier" a bit far! And in any case, the ship's going to be used more as a training CV and maintenance ship than a proper carrier, anyway...

Your comments as well as the sim I posted. I don't think it is exactly the same as before. And regarding the "taking "escort carrier" a bit far" bit, it would depend on what you plan to escort. If that vessel/those vessels are not that fast, 33 knots is not necessary at all.

Quoted

Originally posted by Rooijen10
Your comments as well as the sim I posted. I don't think it is exactly the same as before. And regarding the "taking "escort carrier" a bit far" bit, it would depend on what you plan to escort. If that vessel/those vessels are not that fast, 33 knots is not necessary at all.

Primarily, the Chiloe is going to serve in peacetime as a pilot-training ship and aircraft maintenance vessel for Libertad and Mapuche. In wartime, she'll probably be pressed into service as an aircraft transport ship, ASW hunter-killer flagship, and maintenance carrier.

If I got a 33-knotter merchie, she'd probably be used as a training CV in peacetime but as a front-line light carrier in wartime.

Okay.

Messed around a bit with the design, bumping the speed up to 33 knots and made it bigger. It is now about twice the size of the design a few posts up though.


Passenger Commander, Fast Cargo/Passenger Ship laid down 1935

Displacement:
15,831 t light; 16,246 t standard; 20,748 t normal; 24,350 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
650.00 ft / 650.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 26.60 ft (normal load)
198.12 m / 198.12 m x 21.34 m x 8.11 m

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 152,748 shp / 113,950 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 7,500nm at 24.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,104 tons

Complement:
863 - 1,123

Cost:
£5.914 million / $23.654 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0%
Machinery: 4,339 tons, 20.9%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,492 tons, 26.5%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,917 tons, 23.7%
Miscellaneous weights: 6,000 tons, 28.9%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
21,925 lbs / 9,945 Kg = 203.0 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 16.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.600
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.29 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.50 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.00 ft / 8.84 m
- Forecastle (20%): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Mid (50%): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Stern: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Average freeboard: 23.48 ft / 7.16 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99.6%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 168.9%
Waterplane Area: 33,278 Square feet or 3,092 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 141%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 102 lbs/sq ft or 498 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.34
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

*Looks at sim*

It's perfect! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! My laugh is an evil laugh!

*Looks at 1938 Chilean budget.*

...






Seriously, though, who builds 21,000-ton passenger/cargo liners that can do 33 knots? Most of the liner-merchies I've found in my research are doing good to make twenty-one knots, let alone thirty-three!