WesWorld

Gentlemen.

the DeBroek FD-2 heavy escort and night fighter proofed qutie a sucess during the war in South America. But the plane (based on OTL FW-57) is aging and the RSAF is looking for a successor which I plan to introduce in 1939. Like some variants of the FD-2 the plane should have some potential as attack plane too.

The plane has to be twin engined with a crew of 2 and feature a dorsal turret for either two 15mm guns or four 7,62 MG.

What I´m looking for are drawings or photos of either historical or fictional aircrafts that fit this description. Variants with either inline or radial engines are planed. Historical stats are less important as I will define my own.

What I like a lot is the Gloster F.9/37 in her original configuration with radials. But she was a single seater. However, I read that a night fighter version with a dorsal turret was also planned (named Gloster Reaper) but I cannot find a drawing of that bird. She would be my favorite.

The Messerschmitt 410 probably also is an option if one of you experts could modify her drawing to show a dorsal turret instead of those side mounted MGs on her aft fuselage.

Not sure if a DeHavilland Mosquito with a turret aft of her cockpit would qualify or is too large as a fighter plane? I like the Westland Whirlwind a lot but she´s too small for a second crew member and a turret...

What planes of such type did the Americans design? The Northrop P-61 Black Widow is a bit early probably and also too heavy as a real fighter? What else was designed in the US and could quality?

What would you propose to use? Any ideas? Some of your own designs?

Hmmmm. The US really didn't have a lot of twin-engined, two-seat fighters to choose from, the only one that made it into service was the P-63 and that's a bit early and a bit large for day fighter service. The XP-58 is even bigger and needs larger engines, so it's out.

For a two-seat day fighter with a turret, you might look at the Arado Ar-240. You'd have to enlarge the turret to fit your preferred weaponry (it's remote turret only carried a twin 7.92mm, being defensive in nature), but between that and probably extending the wing a bit to get a lower wingloading, you might have something to use.

There are anumber of aircraft in British Secret Projects 1935-50 that could fit but I dont have a scanner.

Ah yes, the beautiful Arado 240. Forgot that one. Good idea.

Any other ideas?

Boulton Paul P.92 & P.97B were suggested turreted fighters, the Reaper which you mentioned was also suggested with a turret, the Miles M.22A was another.

Check out specifications F11/37 and F18/40 for more suggestions. The He-219 could probably be adapted to have a turret

A quick one

Very cool plane!!! I'll try also some

I didn't suggest the He-219 because I expect I'll end up using it myself.

Well, I wouldn´t use the Heinkel 219 as historical - but I may end up using a picture of her for a home grown design. I did so with the He 112 and others already. The pictures and drawings are just meant to give an idea what the bird would look like. Could somebody provide a drawing of a He219 with a turet where her second cockpit is?

Vuk - the first one you posted could turn into something interesting. Her turret probably needs some fine tuning and I think her nose would be curved further down and less visible behind her engines. An antenna below her fuselage? Why a tein rudder aft? It improves firing arc and look (;o)) but wouldn´t it also increase drag and thus reduce speed? Not sure how important +/- 15km/h are for such a fighter....

The Boulton Paul P92 is no option now that I looked at her in detail. Of the P97B I found no drawing.

Could somebody provide a drawing of an Ar240 sans remote-controll turrets but with a manually trained?

There are a few Italian examples but I think I'd suggest the IMAM Ro 58 myself. Lots of pictures here. You could probably fit a different rear gun mounting. The SM.91 could probably be adapted also.

There weren't a great many fighters with rear gun turrets later in the war. They pretty much died out as a breed apart from the Me 410.



What about a Buckingham without a ventral position?

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Well, I wouldn´t use the Heinkel 219 as historical - but I may end up using a picture of her for a home grown design. I did so with the He 112 and others already. The pictures and drawings are just meant to give an idea what the bird would look like. Could somebody provide a drawing of a He219 with a turet where her second cockpit is?

Vuk - the first one you posted could turn into something interesting. Her turret probably needs some fine tuning and I think her nose would be curved further down and less visible behind her engines. An antenna below her fuselage? Why a tein rudder aft? It improves firing arc and look (;o)) but wouldn´t it also increase drag and thus reduce speed? Not sure how important +/- 15km/h are for such a fighter....

The Boulton Paul P92 is no option now that I looked at her in detail. Of the P97B I found no drawing.

Could somebody provide a drawing of an Ar240 sans remote-controll turrets but with a manually trained?

I will refine the first pic (bot were hasty bashes of available blanks), you could also look in to the MiG-5 (DIS), Polikarpov TIS, Yakovlev Yak-4 and Sukhoi Su-8

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Originally posted by Red Admiral


What about a Buckingham without a ventral position?

I know the Buckingham and have her planned for a new generation of light or medium sized bombers. She´s just too bulky to be a fighter.

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Originally posted by Vukovlad

The nose looks better but her tail - I think I stick to the twins.

No pleasing you ey!

Bashed parts from aircraft we will soon see in WW



BTW I suck at drawing turrets so any help is welcome

The Su-8 doesn't look too bad from this angle.