WesWorld

I email him as soon as he posted his intent to sell with my offer. It was basically what he asked for. I guess because I was the first to ask I got them.

They will get a life extension refit and weapons will be changed to Bharati calibers

I think both sides got a good deal. Hedjaz gets destroyers they can afford to give life extension refits and Poland got some dough for new construction or to reduce the cost of the new destroyers they are planning.

Yeah, it makes sense for a small power like Hedjaz to put a better deal together like that.

With both Hedjaz and Yemen building respectable navies (for their size) I wonder when Saudi will join the arms race

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
With both Hedjaz and Yemen building respectable navies (for their size) I wonder when Saudi will join the arms race

They already have some new ships.

Perhaps time to add the to the encyclopedia then

"%^&%&*%$%##$!!!" <- from Mexico...

What is it with people and selling ships to the first bidder that comes along? I held a sale over at N-verse open for like two weeks, and made a nice wad of cash.

I have to agree with Foxy. If allies are not interested in the ships I at least entertain as many offers as I can, then pick the most advantagous deal to both party's. Personally I wouldn't have sold the ships in the first place if I was Poland but....

Oh well, Cest la vie!

I think that's business

Take the money that you can get. He prefer the bird in his hand than a pigeon on the roof

Modern top of the line Battleship.

To be delivered in 39 months from order date.
Price 31000t payment 3000t a quarter or all at once.

Mieszko I, Poland Battleship laid down 1939

Displacement:
30 035 t light; 32 035 t standard; 36 626 t normal; 40 299 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
721,78 ft / 721,78 ft x 98,43 ft x 32,81 ft (normal load)
220,00 m / 220,00 m x 30,00 m x 10,00 m

Armament:
8 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (2x4 guns), 1 674,25lbs / 759,43kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (2x3 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
20 - 4,33" / 110 mm guns (10x2 guns), 40,61lbs / 18,42kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
30 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (10x3 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 14 883 lbs / 6 751 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13,8" / 350 mm 360,89 ft / 110,00 m 11,91 ft / 3,63 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 77% of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
3,15" / 80 mm 360,89 ft / 110,00 m 30,12 ft / 9,18 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15,0" / 380 mm 7,87" / 200 mm 15,0" / 380 mm
2nd: 3,15" / 80 mm 1,57" / 40 mm 3,15" / 80 mm
3rd: 0,39" / 10 mm 0,39" / 10 mm 0,39" / 10 mm

- Armour deck: 6,30" / 160 mm, Conning tower: 11,02" / 280 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 82 235 shp / 61 347 Kw = 27,00 kts
Range 10 000nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8 264 tons

Complement:
1 323 - 1 720

Cost:
£17,021 million / $68,082 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 860 tons, 5,1%
Armour: 12 297 tons, 33,6%
- Belts: 2 695 tons, 7,4%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1 267 tons, 3,5%
- Armament: 2 058 tons, 5,6%
- Armour Deck: 6 015 tons, 16,4%
- Conning Tower: 262 tons, 0,7%
Machinery: 2 225 tons, 6,1%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 13 298 tons, 36,3%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6 591 tons, 18,0%
Miscellaneous weights: 355 tons, 1,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
59 083 lbs / 26 799 Kg = 35,3 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 10,1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,26
Metacentric height 7,4 ft / 2,3 m
Roll period: 15,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,45
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,25

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0,550
Length to Beam Ratio: 7,33 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31,27 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29,56 ft / 9,01 m
- Forecastle (25%): 18,80 ft / 5,73 m
- Mid (50%): 18,80 ft / 5,73 m
- Quarterdeck (25%): 18,80 ft / 5,73 m
- Stern: 18,80 ft / 5,73 m
- Average freeboard: 19,88 ft / 6,06 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76,3%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139,7%
Waterplane Area: 51 617 Square feet or 4 795 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 187 lbs/sq ft or 911 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,96
- Longitudinal: 1,41
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Ugh, quad turrets. Pass.

A. Why would the 4.33'' guns be breech-loading? Or not DP?

B. Why would the 1.57'' guns be breech-loading? Or not AA?

C. Quadruple mounts reduce the rate of fire significantly compared to twin or triple mounts. Consider the following: The French 15'' quad mount had a RoF of 1.33 rounds per minute. The American 16'' triple mount of 1937 had a RoF of 2 rounds per minute. The German 15'' twin mount of 1939 had a RoF of 3 rounds per minute, according to NavWeaps:[URL]http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_15-52_skc34.htm [/URL]. Look at what this implies. This states, that with twin's as opposed to quadruple mounts, I can get 2 1/4 as many shells into the air, and that I have a much lesser chance of going out of action due to shell damage. Does an additional 6x6'' guns worth it?

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Originally posted by TexanCowboy
Quadruple mounts reduce the rate of fire significantly compared to twin or triple mounts. Consider the following: The French 15'' quad mount had a RoF of 1.33 rounds per minute. The American 16'' triple mount of 1937 had a RoF of 2 rounds per minute. The German 15'' twin mount of 1939 had a RoF of 3 rounds per minute, according to NavWeaps:[URL]http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_15-52_skc34.htm [/URL]. Look at what this implies. This states, that with twin's as opposed to quadruple mounts, I can get 2 1/4 as many shells into the air, and that I have a much lesser chance of going out of action due to shell damage. Does an additional 6x6'' guns worth it?

The stated RoF differs from practical rate of fire. The German 15" twin guns fired around 1 round per minute at the Denmark Straits.

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Originally posted by TexanCowboy
Does an additional 6x6'' guns worth it?

Depends on were You sail.
In closed waters definitely.
On pacific waist of steel and space, can be replace by 4 dual 110mm mounts.

Poland offers to build any ship up to 220mm(731ft) in length.

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Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught 721,78 ft / 721,78 ft x 98,43 ft x 32,81 ft (normal load) 220,00 m / 220,00 m x 30,00 m x 10,00 m

Armament: 8 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (2x4 guns), 1 674,25lbs / 759,43kg shells, 1939 Model Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes) on centreline ends, evenly spread
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Block coefficient: 0,550

Things might be a bit tight for 381mm quads.

Petr Veliki did it on 32.6m beam and BC of 0.6.

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Originally posted by TexanCowboy
C. Quadruple mounts reduce the rate of fire significantly compared to twin or triple mounts. Consider the following: The French 15'' quad mount had a RoF of 1.33 rounds per minute. The American 16'' triple mount of 1937 had a RoF of 2 rounds per minute. The German 15'' twin mount of 1939 had a RoF of 3 rounds per minute, according to NavWeaps:[URL]http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_15-52_skc34.htm [/URL]. Look at what this implies. This states, that with twin's as opposed to quadruple mounts, I can get 2 1/4 as many shells into the air, and that I have a much lesser chance of going out of action due to shell damage. Does an additional 6x6'' guns worth it?

The ROF problems of the Richelieu's were not so much caused by their being quads as their being underpowered. Note that after WWII the two ships were modified so their main batteries could fire every 32 seconds.

I thought this thread was for used ships?

There are always second-hand battleships around that offer not much less at much cheaper prices. Plus you don't have to wait 39 months for delivery. 3000 tons is a bit steep each qaurter too for the smaller nations.

Great Britain has the following for sale from Q1/39;

Eight D Class CL (Delhi, Despatch, Diomede, Danae, Dauntless, Dragon, Dunedin, Durban)

Submarines H26 and H29 (more to follow in Q3)

Added.

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Light cruisers HMS Caroline, Carysfort, Cleopatra and Comus (last of the old original C Class).

Didn't these get sold?

Yes the C's are all sold.