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Bidding war! And it doesn't even involve me!

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Originally posted by Desertfox
And two battlecruisers...

I now have the deeds to 136 destroyers... but have 39 in the market and just sold 6. Which btw the 6 ex-Nordmark 1920 class DDs are now on the market.

While the number of destroyers may be impressive the quality of most of them isn't.

Too many hunters the rabbits are dead !

Also old guns and torpedos could hit a brand new ship

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Originally posted by Desertfox
Bidding war! And it doesn't even involve me!

Of course not - she doesn't carry torpedos.

Q1 1942:

The Bharatiya Nau Sena declares the following vessels surplus and available for purchase:

CV Aruval (Note: 50% conversion, not purpose-built)

CV Katar (Note: 50% conversion, not purpose-built)

G-131 Class Destroyers (4)

G-135 Class Destroyers (5)

The Bharatiya Nau Sena is prepared to entertain offers to sell or complete on behalf of clients:

BB Samanjir (51.3% complete)

CA Chapra, Chiplun (41.4% complete)

The Bharatiya Nau Sena is prepared to entertain offers for:

CA Hyderabad III, Bangalore II



OOC: The governance mess in Bharat will have been resolved by Q1/42, likely to the satisfaction of external observers, if that matters.

Shockingly (?), there is a 1,700 t bid on the nine destroyers.

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Originally posted by parador
Too many hunters the rabbits are dead !

Also old guns and torpedos could hit a brand new ship

And they have, on occasion; just like Iraqi T-72s managed to occasionally hit M1 Abrams in the Gulf War.

The problem with all those old, unrebuilt destroyers is that they're maintenance intensive, and ton for ton are far less effective combatants than their modern counterparts. Most of the Mexican ships are almost nonentities, more useful for padding the raw count than actually being a legitimate combatant. That's why, despite their formidable numbers, Mexico's just a paper tiger, ranking dead last in effective military strength in the Americas.

There's no synthesis of elements, no long-term planning, no perception of meeting vital needs, no modernization, nothing but the unskilled emphasis on the acquisition of raw numbers at the expense of everything else.

They might be old but the bulk of the fleet has been refitted quite recently. All of the US and Atlantean destroyers as well as the bulk of the Nordish ones have received a refit. The rest are either for sale or slated to be refitted as soon as possible. The cruiser fleet is either new or reffited. The Mexican Navy is not the paper tiger it appears to be...

And I do have a plan, I only buy specifc ships, not everything that goes on the market.

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Originally posted by Desertfox
They might be old but the bulk of the fleet has been refitted quite recently.

Not according to your encyclopedia; the most recent refit shown is 1934. If there are more recent refits, then they're not in the encyclopedia, as I think we've discussed with you before.

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Originally posted by Desertfox
The Mexican Navy is not the paper tiger it appears to be...

Paper tigers are always very good at saying they're not paper tigers.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by Desertfox
They might be old but the bulk of the fleet has been refitted quite recently.

Not according to your encyclopedia; the most recent refit shown is 1934. If there are more recent refits, then they're not in the encyclopedia, as I think we've discussed with you before.

It depends on your definition of "quite recently". But refit or not, they're still old and not new.

And there's an offer of 900 t for the four G-131 class, which is proportionally more per ship than the previous offer.

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Originally posted by Rooijen10

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by Desertfox
They might be old but the bulk of the fleet has been refitted quite recently.

Not according to your encyclopedia; the most recent refit shown is 1934. If there are more recent refits, then they're not in the encyclopedia, as I think we've discussed with you before.

It depends on your definition of "quite recently". But refit or not, they're still old and not new.

It’s interesting how different people value different things. I get Foxy’s view, as long as they can drive in range, even at a 5% hit rate, they are a threat. For the number of factories, it’s a very large force and could get kudos for efficient use of funds. Old refitted ships being better than non-existant ships.

The Dutch have 74 Destroyers with 12 building, which is fewer than Mexico. However, the Dutch view the 91 escorts and 34 gunboats as capable of doing destroyer roles behind the lines, and so can dedicate all DDs to fleet roles. Indeed, if I wound up opposing Mexico in hostile actions, I’d probably draft some of those to fleet service.

Edit : I'd rather see India sell the Delhis than the Hyderabads

Incidentally, I just went through the Mexican encyclopedia again, running the numbers for my own amusement:

- Total Ships (Listed): 97
- Average displacement (normal): 1,227t
- Average peacetime crew: 103 men
- Total displacement (normal): 122,439t
- Total peacetime manpower: 10,149 men
- Ships equipped with radar: 0 (0%)

By comparison, the Chileans (I'll use them as a comparison as I've got all the data), have:
- Total Ships: 60
- Average displacement (normal): 1,890t
- Average peacetime crew: 142 men
- Total displacement (normal): 89,078t
- Total peacetime manpower: 7,638 men
- Ships equipped with radar: 32 (53%)

Mexico's count is imprecise because the encyclopedia has not been kept up to date.

The Mexican encyclopedia is fully updated with two exceptions, the SS2 reports for the Caldwell and Sampson class destroyers are not up yet, both classes have been refitted very recently.

Bids on bigger ships:

CV Aruval: 1,000 t

CV Katar: 800 t

BB Samanjir: 3,000 as-is

CA Chapra & Chiplun: 2,000 t for the pair as-is

CA Hyderabad III & Bangalore II: 6,000 t for the pair

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I get Foxy’s view, as long as they can drive in range, even at a 5% hit rate, they are a threat.

And that would definitely be true when used in numbers. And considering price and age, they would definitely be expendable.

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Originally posted by Desertfox
Both classes have been refitted very recently.

Oh really? I've just gone through your sim reports and there's not one single ton dedicated to rebuilding either of them since their purchase, nor was there anything suggesting they were rebuilt in the US when you bought them. (If they were rebuilt in the US, then there needs to be some comment of it for evidence.)

Updated:

CV Aruval: 1,000 t.

CV Katar: 800 t.

BB Samanjir: 3,000 as-is.

CA Chapra & Chiplun: 2,000 t for the pair as-is.

CA Hyderabad III & Bangalore II: 7,000 t for the pair.

DD G-131: 900 for the four.

DD G-135: 950 for the five.

Make that 9,000 t for the two ACs.

Updated:

CV Aruval: 1,000 t.

CV Katar: 800 t.

BB Samanjir: 4,000 t as-is.

CA Chapra & Chiplun: 2,000 t for the pair as-is.

CA Hyderabad III & Bangalore II: 10,000 t for the pair.

DD G-131: 900 t for the four.

DD G-135: 950 t for the five.