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thesmilingassassin

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Tuesday, June 8th 2010, 3:23pm

Well Kornilov is only 4 years old so I don't see her going for a song and dance.

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Tuesday, June 8th 2010, 3:31pm

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
Well Kornilov is only 4 years old so I don't see her going for a song and dance.


She started construction in 1935. The ship only have a year and a half of service on her. IMO too expensive for the small nations and difficult to unload to the middle of the road nations due to the characteristics of the ship. Maybe one of the larger nations for a secondary role?

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "perdedor99" (Jun 8th 2010, 3:31pm)

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Tuesday, June 8th 2010, 3:33pm

I'm surprised Nordmark doesn't try to buy her back, they already use 13.4" guns.

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Tuesday, June 8th 2010, 3:36pm

Chile's thinkin' about it, Chile's thinkin' about it. Problem is, like Perdedor said, she'd be a bit of a puzzle to try to fit into my fleet: she's at least got the right size of main guns, though. My evaluation is that I'd bid around 10-12 ktons if I decided to bid.

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Tuesday, June 8th 2010, 4:28pm

Have you considered re-designing her as a carrier, Bearn-style? It would require the landing deck to extend well beyond her short hull, though....

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Tuesday, June 8th 2010, 4:48pm

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Have you considered re-designing her as a carrier, Bearn-style? It would require the landing deck to extend well beyond her short hull, though....


Why on earth would Yugoslavia need a carrier for the Adratic?

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Tuesday, June 8th 2010, 4:51pm

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Originally posted by TexanCowboy

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Have you considered re-designing her as a carrier, Bearn-style? It would require the landing deck to extend well beyond her short hull, though....


Why on earth would Yugoslavia need a carrier for the Adratic?



To be a Large Slow Target for bombing practice. :rolleyes:

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Tuesday, June 8th 2010, 5:03pm

With only 480' of length, it would basically be a very expensive escort carrier. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Have you considered re-designing her as a carrier, Bearn-style? It would require the landing deck to extend well beyond her short hull, though....


Why on earth would Yugoslavia need a carrier for the Adratic?

Added: I suspect Hoo was asking me about what Chile could do with the ship.

In this case, it wouldn't be economical. Witness:

- I think the ship should likely sell for around 10,000-12,000 tons, as she's virtually new.
- A 50% rebuild to make her into a CVE will run ~7500 tons, depending on cost.
- Total prospective cost for Chile to acquire and convert it into a CVE would run up to 20,000 tons - in which case, I'm going to build a clone of the Wasp so I'll be able to operate a full airgroup.

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Tuesday, June 8th 2010, 5:11pm

I'm the guilty person who come up with the idea of the Kornilov with Earl designing the SIM. It was a prestige ship for the Adriatic. The problem is that it fits one niche and is difficult to make it fit other fleets needs.

making a Bearn out of it? A possibility for a new owner but not worth the cost IMO.

India looks at it, and what it sees? need to rebore the main guns to 350mm and change guns. At the most an amphibious support ship or an convoy escort.

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Wednesday, June 9th 2010, 12:28am

...but how to sim the cost of reboring the guns?, which by the way are oddity's. Theres just not alot of navy's using 13.4" and 5.3" guns.

Both Turkey and Colombia had slight interest but Colombia's very tight for funds and none of the larger guns are in Turkish service.

She'd make a decent enough training ship and make a usefull shore bombardment vessel as well.

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Wednesday, June 9th 2010, 12:32am

340mm guns? Used by Nordmark, France, and Chile.

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Wednesday, June 9th 2010, 12:35am

In my humble opinion, it should be put in with the "-Alterations to guns 196mm and larger not involving barbette alterations: P" catagory, since it is a alteration to a gun, and it *probebly* wouldn't invovle a barbette alteration, unless altering the shell trunks counts as a barbetter alteration.

For the 5.31'' guns, those are deck mounts with hoists, meaning they could be replaced for the same price as reboring them.

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Wednesday, June 9th 2010, 12:58am

Reboring guns - within reason - is hardly worth half the price of the ship.

Does anyone have any information about guns that were actually re-bored?

...and haven't we discussed reboring guns before? For some reason I'm thinking we have, as the Philippine battlecruisers got some rebored guns.

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Wednesday, June 9th 2010, 1:27am

The only ones I can think of are the Italian battleships....let me look for the price on that.

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Wednesday, June 9th 2010, 2:19am

Philippines rebored the guns but being included in the construction of the new battlecruisers so I guess the reboring was included in the cost of the ships.

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Thursday, June 10th 2010, 10:11pm

Germany's pondering the possibility of buying her (mostly as a training ship and Baltic flag unit), but of course the KM doesn't use either 34cm or 13.5cm guns. Getting spares and ammunition from Nordmark would be easy enough, though.

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Thursday, June 10th 2010, 10:19pm

Huh. That idea would have never occurred to me. Actually, it makes a surprising amount of sense...

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Thursday, June 10th 2010, 11:02pm

I recall that French 380mm were rebore too 381mm(15'') so it was able too use British 15''

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Thursday, June 10th 2010, 11:12pm

You mean on the Richelieu-class? I thought the US made shells during 1944 for the French guns...

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Thursday, June 10th 2010, 11:22pm

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Germany's pondering the possibility of buying her (mostly as a training ship and Baltic flag unit), but of course the KM doesn't use either 34cm or 13.5cm guns. Getting spares and ammunition from Nordmark would be easy enough, though.


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