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With the new Karlsruhe-class CLs becoming available starting in late 1939, Germany is offering the Emden-class CLs for sale. Please contact the German Naval Attache' stationed in your capital to place any bids.

[Note: sale not guaranteed, if Germany doesn't get a good enough offer, they'll continue in service.]

*Cocks head*

Bulgaria's been making offers since 1936...

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
*Cocks head*

Bulgaria's been making offers since 1936...

Bulgaria's been expressing interest, no price has been agreed on.

I figured I'd put them up for bid, since other players have complained at times that they never got a chance at some possible purchases.

I never made an offer because you kept saying "Later, later." So I spent the money. A battleship in the hand is worth two cruisers in a bush. Might make an offer in 1941, but not now.

When the time comes and the Emden-Class will be available, China will present an offer

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
I never made an offer because you kept saying "Later, later." So I spent the money. A battleship in the hand is worth two cruisers in a bush. Might make an offer in 1941, but not now.

I did say 1939 or 1940 for the transfer to take place, once the new cruisers became available. But, c'est la guerre.

Not my type....pass

Parador, nobody is making bids on the Chinese ships because they aren't that good, and are very old. I fell into that trap when I first got here, although, to be fair, Shin did sell it to me under scrapping price.

Following the decision of the Government to suppress the Montenegro Armed Sea Force, its has been decided to lay up its vessels pending disposal by sale or otherwise.

The Yugoslav Defence Ministry has announced the sale of the following vessels. Tenders may be directed to the Office of the Deputy Director of Procurement (Property Disposal)


Costancia, Montenegrin Armed Merchantman laid down 1925

Displacement:694 t light; 755 t standard; 1 190 t normal; 1 539 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
214,29 ft / 213,25 ft x 36,09 ft x 9,84 ft (normal load)
65,31 m / 65,00 m x 11,00 m x 3,00 m

Armament:
1 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 112,44lbs / 51,00kg shells, 1925 Model Breech loading gun in deck mount on centreline forward
2 - 4,80" / 122 mm guns in single mounts, 55,40lbs / 25,13kg shells, 1925 Model Breech loading guns in deck mounts on side, all amidships
1 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1925 Model Breech loading gun in deck mount on side aft, 1 raised gun
4 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1925 Model Breech loading guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 384 lbs / 174 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0,79" / 20 mm - -
2nd: 0,39" / 10 mm - -
3rd: 0,79" / 20 mm - -

Machinery:

Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 4 689 shp / 3 498 Kw = 19,00 kts
Range 10 000nm at 15,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 784 tons

Complement: 100 - 131

Cost: £0,280 million / $1,118 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 47 tons, 4,0%
Armour: 8 tons, 0,6%
- Belts: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 8 tons, 0,6%
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
Machinery: 152 tons, 12,8%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 487 tons, 40,9%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 496 tons, 41,7%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 659 lbs / 1 206 Kg = 24,8 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,48
Metacentric height 2,1 ft / 0,6 m
Roll period: 10,4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,27
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,55

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
Block coefficient: 0,550
Length to Beam Ratio: 5,91 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 14,60 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 3,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Forecastle (20%): 16,40 ft / 5,00 m (13,12 ft / 4,00 m aft of break)
- Mid (50%): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Quarterdeck (15%): 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Stern: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
- Average freeboard: 14,04 ft / 4,28 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73,4%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134,3%
Waterplane Area: 5 371 Square feet or 499 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 172%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 54 lbs/sq ft or 264 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,92
- Longitudinal: 5,11
- Overall: 1,10
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


Jagoda, Montenegrin Armed Merchantman laid down 1928

Displacement: 1 668 t light; 1 756 t standard; 1 981 t normal; 2 162 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
348,07 ft / 344,49 ft x 36,09 ft x 11,15 ft (normal load)
106,09 m / 105,00 m x 11,00 m x 3,40 m

Armament:
2 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1928 Model Breech loading guns in deck mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 4,80" / 122 mm guns in single mounts, 55,40lbs / 25,13kg shells, 1928 Model Breech loading guns in deck mounts on side ends, evenly spread
4 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1928 Model Breech loading guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread
2 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns in single mounts, 5,65lbs / 2,56kg shells, 1928 Model Breech loading guns in deck mounts on side, all amidships
Weight of broadside 501 lbs / 227 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0,59" / 15 mm - -
2nd: 0,39" / 10 mm - -
3rd: 0,20" / 5 mm - -
4th: 0,20" / 5 mm - -

Machinery:

Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 18 297 shp / 13 650 Kw = 26,50 kts
Range 18 000nm at 8,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 406 tons

Complement:
148 - 193

Cost:
£0,728 million / $2,914 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 63 tons, 3,2%
Armour: 10 tons, 0,5%
- Belts: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Armament: 10 tons, 0,5%
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0,0%
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
Machinery: 570 tons, 28,8%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 026 tons, 51,8%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 313 tons, 15,8%
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 2 354 lbs / 1 068 Kg = 22,0 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 0,7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,35
Metacentric height 1,8 ft / 0,6 m
Roll period: 11,2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,31
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,55

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0,500
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,55 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18,56 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 32
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20,34 ft / 6,20 m
- Forecastle (20%): 18,37 ft / 5,60 m (17,72 ft / 5,40 m aft of break)
- Mid (50%): 17,06 ft / 5,20 m (13,78 ft / 4,20 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 13,78 ft / 4,20 m
- Stern: 13,78 ft / 4,20 m
- Average freeboard: 15,94 ft / 4,86 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 118,0%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 164,7%
Waterplane Area: 8 283 Square feet or 770 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 65 lbs/sq ft or 315 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1,02
- Longitudinal: 3,86
- Overall: 1,17
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Five M1916 Minesweepers, of German origin, recentlly paid off from the Royal Yugoslav Navy, are available for purchase pending final disposal.

The vessels are rated at 520 tons; armament includes two 8.8cm SK.

Interested parties may submit bids to the Defence Marketing and Reutilisation Office. Please specify - the number of vessels you are bidding on; the price being bid for each vessel; and your desired delivery and payment schedule.

Bids will close in 96 hours real time to permit all parties an opportunity to consider their options. Evaluation of final bids will be made following bid closing.

The current bidding period for the two vessels formerly operated by the Montenegro Armed Sea Force has ended.

Due to external factors, the only acceptable bid has been received from the Government of Hedjaz, who will purchase the larger of the two vessels in question, the Jagoda; the smaller vessel, the Costancia, remains unsold at this time and is still on offer pending other disposition.

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
Five M1916 Minesweepers, of German origin, recentlly paid off from the Royal Yugoslav Navy, are available for purchase pending final disposal.

The vessels are rated at 520 tons; armament includes two 8.8cm SK.

Interested parties may submit bids to the Defence Marketing and Reutilisation Office. Please specify - the number of vessels you are bidding on; the price being bid for each vessel; and your desired delivery and payment schedule.

Bids will close in 96 hours real time to permit all parties an opportunity to consider their options. Evaluation of final bids will be made following bid closing.

The five vessels in question have been sold to Turkey.

With the successful launch of the first of the Project 39C destroyers, the Royal Yugoslav Navy will be retiring and paying off for disposal the four units of the Tatra class.

The four vessels in question were built circa 1911 for the Austro-Hungarian Navy and are rated a 1,000 tons light displacement and are armed with two 100mm QF cannon, four 540mm torpedo tubes.

Yugoslavian fire sale!

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Originally posted by TexanCowboy
Yugoslavian fire sale!

Much more preferable to scrapping.

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Originally posted by Marek Gutkowski

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Originally posted by TexanCowboy
Yugoslavian fire sale!

Much more preferable to scrapping.

There is a waiting line at the scrapyard, so I figure, why not ask? Who knows?

The Royal Yugoslav Navy is considering disposal of the coast defense ship Kornilov. Inquiries may be directed to the Defence Matierials Reutilization Office.

You really want to sale the Kornilov ? What are the yugoslavian ideas about the prize ?

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Originally posted by parador
You really want to sale the Kornilov ? What are the yugoslavian ideas about the prize ?

What prize?

price I think...

Expensive.

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Originally posted by Marek Gutkowski
price it think...

Expensive.

Ah - didn't think of that. I thought someone had a betting pool on.