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The IDC is issuing a request for proposal for 15 Carrier borne fighters and 15 Carrier borne Scout bombers

Suggest purchasing pre-owned Indian, Philippine, or Japanese aircraft. Benefit from their experience.

As before, I have some skepticism of Persia's decision to operate a carrier. I feel it's counterproductive to try to force the Persian Navy into a role like this. Persia could be building a formidable green-water navy, IMHO, and I think you had made a good start on that with the Vouruskashas and the Burijas-types... you should be following them up with more MTBs, minewar ships, another set of small DDs and then another pair of light cruisers.

If I was a foe of Persia, there'd be nothing I'd rather see Persia doing than investing in a carrier they'd lose early in a war against superior forces.

But what if they pay a total of less than 3000t for the whole thing? what they are getting basically is a scouting ship/ training ship. Could be useful for escort duty also and is cheap enough.

Land based aircraft and their green water navy can do it on the cheap. A carrier, even a conversion would just be a waste of materials, materials better served on enlarging the surface fleet. The Persian gulf isn't any wider than 250 miles. Why do you think Turkey hasn't built a carrier?

Persian strategy and tactics are not the topic here. The IDC havent given any specifications to give all interested nations the oppurtunity to offer both new and second hand aircraft.

Sure they are, strategy and tactics dictate the needs of the fleet.

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
Land based aircraft and their green water navy can do it on the cheap. A carrier, even a conversion would just be a waste of materials, materials better served on enlarging the surface fleet. The Persian gulf isn't any wider than 250 miles. Why do you think Turkey hasn't built a carrier?

Have you noticed that big chunk of water south off the Bactrian coast? Unless the SAE sells us some nice B-14´s we cant reach it with land based aircraft

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Originally posted by perdedor99
But what if they pay a total of less than 3000t for the whole thing? what they are getting basically is a scouting ship/ training ship. Could be useful for escort duty also and is cheap enough.

Not really cost that I have an issue with. If Persia refits the Columbo into a carrier, I don't think it will have any tactical or strategic use during wartime, unless used as part of a fleet in being. It will continue to be useless until any enemy sinks it at sea or in harbor.

A Persian carrier would have to operate as an integrated part of an Indian squadron - IMHO, the most likely scenario. Operating her alone, Persia will have to divert a considerable portion of their fleet to escort this ship, or risk losing her. That draws away those forces from protecting the Persian coast.

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Originally posted by Vukovlad

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
Land based aircraft and their green water navy can do it on the cheap. A carrier, even a conversion would just be a waste of materials, materials better served on enlarging the surface fleet. The Persian gulf isn't any wider than 250 miles. Why do you think Turkey hasn't built a carrier?

Have you noticed that big chunk of water south off the Bactrian coast? Unless the SAE sells us some nice B-14´s we cant reach it with land based aircraft

....why is it important? Thats the question.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by perdedor99
But what if they pay a total of less than 3000t for the whole thing? what they are getting basically is a scouting ship/ training ship. Could be useful for escort duty also and is cheap enough.

Not really cost that I have an issue with. If Persia refits the Columbo into a carrier, I don't think it will have any tactical or strategic use during wartime, unless used as part of a fleet in being.

A Persian carrier would have to operate as an integrated part of an Indian squadron - IMHO, the most likely scenario. Operating her alone, Persia will have to divert a considerable portion of their fleet to escort this ship, or risk losing her. That draws away those forces from protecting the Persian coast.

It will operate with the Kaveh and Bruijias

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
It will operate with the Kaveh and Bruijias

*Shrug*

What'll be it's mission during a war? I'm trying to say it'll be a manpower drain, a drag on other more important assets, and a strategic white elephant. The only reason I'd see this ship existing is to join an Indian carrier task force.

And pray tell what assets can Persia acquire to defeat the Royal Navy and the Russian Army? Those being the only potential enemies that can enter the Persian Gulf ( Turkey being a threat but unlikely to attack without Russia).

Easy answer, nothing. Persia simply doesn't have the resources to even dream of contesting the British or Russians. Diplomacy and alliances are the only option.

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
And pray tell what assets can Persia acquire to defeat the Royal Navy and the Russian Army? Those being the only potential enemies that can enter the Persian Gulf ( Turkey being a threat but unlikely to attack without Russia).

What foe could Persia stand a chance of beating in the Arabian Sea? Any foe capable of entering the Arabian would be capable of entering the Gulf as well. Why are you preparing to fight a war in the Arabian Sea, away from land-based airpower and your MTBs and mines? A Persian carrier trying to operate along the coast is superfluous; a Persian carrier trying to operate in the Arabian Sea lacks a mission.

I doubt that you could put more than twelve aircraft on your prospective carrier due to it's small size. That means you'd have difficulty putting up a CAP and still sending out scouts: you'd have to choose one or the other. It *might* make a good ASW carrier to support an Indian task force - you'll notice I keep coming back to that point - and it'll be a prestige ship.

Ultimately it's your choice to spend money on it, but I feel the answer is crystal clear.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
And pray tell what assets can Persia acquire to defeat the Royal Navy and the Russian Army? Those being the only potential enemies that can enter the Persian Gulf ( Turkey being a threat but unlikely to attack without Russia).

What foe could Persia stand a chance of beating in the Arabian Sea? Any foe capable of entering the Arabian would be capable of entering the Gulf as well. Why are you preparing to fight a war in the Arabian Sea, away from land-based airpower and your MTBs and mines? A Persian carrier trying to operate along the coast is superfluous; a Persian carrier trying to operate in the Arabian Sea lacks a mission.

I believe that you are wrong for the following reasons:

1) There are a number of nations that have interests in the Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean that cant force the Persian Gulf

2) Persia is unlikely to be in a one on one war, any war is likely to be an alliance war

3) A war in this area is not going to primarily a war of Battle lines and Carrier groups but a war of sealanes either defending or attacking them.

4) Since Persia can not build a modern Capital ship a CVL becomes a cheap force multiplier

Back on topic:

The IDC is issuing a request for proposal for 15 Carrier borne fighters and 15 Carrier borne Scout bombers

Vuko, theres no need to repeat the topic just because its sparked a discussion.

People sometimes loose track of the original topic

What date do you expect delivery? The SAE may have what you need. Have you checked the encyclopedia section showing SAE aircrafts?

Land based floatplanes or flying boats may also be an option....

Q3 1937 is a target date for delivery, I have been eyeing the mercury and Petrel ( which I assume also is a dive bomber like the B-17). But with the war ongoing I had doubts about SAE willingness to deliver.