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The Iberian Government is very proud of all the attendants and hands over to the show management.

In the following each country's contribution will be introduced and Iberia's contribution will follow at the end.

Prototype carrier planes (all built by Mitsubishi):
1MF1 fighter: 3x
2MR1 reconnaissance plane: 1x
B1M attack aircraft: 2x

Other planes (import, modified for carrier duty):
N-1 (Fokker E.III): 1x
N-3 (SPAD S.XIII): 2x
N-4 (Fokker D. VII): 1x
N-5 (Fokker D. VIII): 2x
A-N-1 (Breguet Br. XIV): 1x

All planes stationed aboard the HIJMS Hosho.

The N-2 (Sopwith F.1 Camel) prepared for the show experienced some technical difficulties and will not appear.
(note that I have my doubts about the ability of the planes to operate from a carrier. The Br. XIV could even be too big for a carrier the size of the Hosho. Perhaps it's all some desparate attempt by the Japanese to make their carrier look 'full' due to the lack of true carrier aircraft, eventhough the performance of those plane types aboard a carrier would be considers 'below average').

Oonishi “Kurasshu” Manzo also present in his trusted Akaryu IV (he picked yet another SPAD XIII for this one. Crashed the no. III somewhere between 2.6.1921 and 1.9.1921), as well as “Oni” Goto Sachio in his Goto Special IX (Fokker D. VIII)

Other well-known Japanese personalities present:
His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Shodahito, and his wife, Empress Kameko.
Shogun Tokugawa Kaetuza and his wife, Lady Nakamura Maeko
Oonishi Manzo’s wife, Lady Nakamura Mieko
Oonishi Tohoda, Chief of Naval Weapon Development
The Elite Imperial Guards.
Nakamura Jomei, Head of Imperial Security Service, and his wife, Lady Yagyu Kagamiko.
Yagyu Minoru, Chosokabe Benjiro, Asano Toru, Ogawe Morio: Shogun's special 'guards' (read: "assassins").


Ships present and to be admired in the harbor of Cadiz:
Battleship HIJMS Fuso, Flagship of the Shogun, accessible to the public
Battleship HIJMS Nagato, not accessible to the public.
Battleship HIJMS Mutsu, not accessible to the public.
Carrier HIJMS Hosho, accessible to the public
Cruiser HIJMS Jakumo, accessible to the public
Cruiser HIJMS Iwaki, accessible to the public
(AARRGGHH!! Where are the other escort ships?!) :-)

-----Prices:
- Cruiser access => ¥100 (or US$ 0.90/UK£ 0.25)
- Access to Hosho => ¥ 250 (or US$ 2.20/UK£ 0.55)
- Access to Fuso => ¥ 500 (or US$ 4.35/UK£ 1.10)
- Children and disabled free access.
- Special Group discounts.
- Children must be accompanied aboard the ships.
- Photography and filming not allowed aboard the ships.
- Wheelchair Access at the back of each of the ships. Note that most areas of the ships are unaccessible to wheelchairs.
-Note that the Friedrichshafen FF-50-J reconnaissance aircrafts used by the Imperial Japanese Navy aboard its Battleships can only be viewed at Cadiz.


Hosho and Mutsu will resume shakedown cruise after the air show.

Walter

Present from Italy are;

3x Caproni 47 long-range aircraft, having flown all the way from Sardinia, via Alicante. The newest product of the fledgling Italian aircraft industrie will be made avaible for export in early 1922. Any takers?

2xMacchi M.5 attempted to land on the airfield, after finding that they possessed no landing gear(being seaplanes) they promptly landed in a senior Iberian parliamentary's swimming pool, much to his shock.



Present at Cadiz is MM Francesco Caracciolo and the cruiser MM Leone. Caracciolo will become a common sight in Cadiz for the next few months as she carries on with her shakedown cruise and exercises with the Iberian navy.



>NB The Sopwith Camel was operated from the front deck of HMS Furious. that deck is tiny so most fighters should be able to take off. Landing on Furious' front deck was achieved by men grabbing the lower wings as the plane 'hovered' in front of Furious(the stalling speed being ~30knts)
I would question your use of the Fokker E.III for carrier use. Isn't it a bit outdated?

Also your list prices for GBP£ are wrong. a price of ~12p would be more appropriate in my view.

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I would question your use of the Fokker E.III for carrier use. Isn't it a bit outdated?

Of course it is outdated. That's why I put it on board. :-)
I do think that the E.III will be the first type to be replaced, and it will be replaced within the next 5 years by some newer plane.

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Also your list prices for GBP£ are wrong. a price of ~12p would be more appropriate in my view.

Wrong in what way?
Too expensive? That's the whole idea. :-)

If it is about the exchange rate, I just used the Spring Sharp exchange rate (probably incorrect for 1921) which is 4 US dollars for 1 UK pound. While it may be wrong, I'm not in the mood to change the rates every sim month.

In Jane's, it says that 1 yen is equal to 2s. 0 1/2d. British and $ 0.50 USA. I guess "s" would be shilling, but no idea what "d" would be.

Walter

The carrier ANS Siboney accopanied by the seaplane tenders ANS Grafton and ANS Edgar will attend. The Battleship ANS Melampus, CLL's ANS Achilles and ANS Adventure and the newly completed destroyers ANS Fury and ANS Forsite will also be there.
As for planes present all ships have landed their regular airgroups and the following have been selected to represent Atlantis:

ANS Siboney's deckload
2 Spartan F2 "Falcons"
2 Ripon F5 "Seahawks"
1 Spartan T1 "Griffon" in carrierborn configuration
2 Spartan T2 "Condors"
1 Spartan T3 "Albatros" (the latest design of torpedo bomber)
1 Short 166 originally purchased for study purposes
1 Fairey 3C originally purchased for study purposes
1 Sopwith Pup original type of carrier fighter invisioned for Atlantian carriers before national designs were completed. Currently used as a land based fighter.
1 Nieuport 12 modified for use aboard carrier as fighters, later modified for the reconnaissance role after proving to be unsatisfactory as a ship born fighter.

ANS Grafton's deckload
1 Spartan T1 "Griffon"
1 Spartan T2 "Condor" modified for floatplane role
1 Spartan T3 "Albatros" modified for floatplane role
2 Sea Scouting Blimps SSB 12/15

ANS Edgar's deckload
1 Spartan T2 "Condor"
1 Sopwith Baby the first floatplane in the Atlantian Fleet Air Arm (AFAA)
1 Short Shirl purchased for study purposes
1 Ripon R2 Flying Boat

In addition several land based planes have been shiped in crates aboard several vessels including:

2 Spartan F1 "whirlwinds"
2 Acrisius F4 "eagles"
2 Ripon "type 12" B2 bombers

The Atlantian Zeppilins S-4 is also making a stop in Madrid and along with a civilian version of the Ripon type 12 B2 bomber will be making several demonstration flights carring anyone willing to buy tickets for a quick ride.
Most of the foreign designs in Atlantian service will be on static display while the Ripon, Spartan and Acrisius designs will take to the air.

The delegation from the Empire of India consists of

At Madrid:

2 Delhi Aeronautics Baagh C pursuit aeroplanes
2 Bey Brothers Dhairya scouting aeroplanes

One aeroplane of each type is on the flight line for aerial demonstrations; the other aeroplanes are on static display. Representatives from both companies, as well as the Government of India, are present in the display area to answer questions.

Apart from the Indian ambassador to Iberia, no senior government officials will be present.

At Cadiz:

Destroyer G-118 ; astute observers will note the absence of the ship's torpedo tubes. These were landed in order to accomodate the eight crates containing the disassembled aircraft. The destroyer will be open to public viewing, and the public is discuss the ship's participation at the As Salif operation with the crew.

(OOC: I'd feel guilty about sending just one little destroyer, but India did not anticipate that a naval review would be in the cards.)

Old engish money, lesson 1.

d=pence
12d in a shilling
20 shillings in a pound
21 shillings in a guinea

Now a weekly wage for an average labourer might be around 4 shillings. Even admition to crystal palace was cheaper than this. Still some members of the italian delegation will pay the fee to get some first hand info

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Old engish money, lesson 1.

You learn something new every day.
You know, I got a one penny coin with KG V on it and a one shilling coin with KG VI on it. And I think it is quite a coincidence that the one penny is from 1921, the year that Treaty of Cleito came into effect and the year we have almost finished in the Wesworld.

Hmm... so instead of 4 dollars to 1 pound, that information will give me about 5 dollars for 1 pound.

Taking the data from Jane's where 1 yen is equal to 2s. 0 1/2d. British and $ 0.50 USA, that would give us 4 s. 1d for 1 dollar or 4 s. for 1 dollar to keep it simple.

So that would give us:
- Cruiser access => ¥100 (or $ 0.90 USA/3s. 7d British)
- Access to Hosho => ¥ 250 (or $ 2.20 USA/8s. 9d British)
- Access to Fuso => ¥ 500 (or $ 4.35 USA/17 s. 4d. British)

It's still expensive so I'll just take your advice and start the price at ~12 pence.

- Cruiser access => ¥20 (or $ 0.25 USA/1 shilling British)
- Access to Hosho => ¥ 50 (or $ 0.50 USA/2 shilling British)
- Access to Fuso => ¥ 100 (or $ 1.00 USA/4 shilling British)

Seems rather cheap now compared to what it was (note that, with 1 dollar being equal to 115 Wesworld Japanese Yen, it is cheaper to pay with the Japanese currency than it is when paying with US and UK currency).

Walter

Russian Federation is exhibiting following aircraft types:

Naval aviation:
Shcht-17 Twin-engined land-based patrol seaplane

Shcht-20 Single-engined sea-based patrol seaplane

Shcht-24 Carrier-based fighter

Shcht-27 Single-engined carrier-based scout

Land Aviation:

Sikorsky S-28, a development of the Ilya Muromets heavy bomber. Sikorski is leading Russian Federation delegation, and is accompanied by a young man named Andrei Tupelov. This young man has many impractical ideas about monoplane 4-engined bombers. He is entirely too close to Guards Colonel Mikhail Tukhachevskii and his theory of continuous deep operations.

OOS: are we showing land aircraft also?

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
OOS: are we showing land aircraft also?

absolutely! also civilan ones :-)

also the fleet review at cadiz is unplanned and informal ;o)

cheers

Bernhard

I suppose this is as good a thread as any to post about the merger between Dornier and CANT.

CANT has bought the German aircraft making company Dornier and is currently building a new factory in the Po valley near Venice to facilitate the new range of aeroplanes that can be built.




NB This merger happened historically, and i have cleared it with Rocky also.

There is no official German participation in the air show.

However, in a somewhat unexpected development, the dreadnought Prinzregent Luitpold and two destroyers make the trip down to Cadiz for the informal naval review.

J

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Originally posted by Red Admiral
3x Caproni 47 long-range aircraft, having flown all the way from Sardinia, via Alicante. The newest product of the fledgling Italian aircraft industrie will be made avaible for export in early 1922. Any takers?

Perhaps... I Found 2 pictures of the plane on http://www.cronologia.it/storia/a1918bb.htm (hope the link works, the 3rd and 4th picture). The page is in Italian. Looks like a nice plane.
Any good data on the it?

Walter

Hhmmm I had intended the Ca. 47 to be an improvement over the Ca. 46 as a totally fictional aircraft. Before i had not found any mention of this Ca. 47. I will have redesignate these planes as Ca. 47 mod 1.

After doing some more digging, i found the following page http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/f5avipatches/ca3%20page.html which has performance stats for the Ca. 3 of which the historical Ca. 47 was a floatplane deriative. And it shows the Ca. 3 carrying a torpedo hooray.

My Ca. 47 will have 2 300hp engines instead of the previous 3 x200hp, to save a bit of weight, and to give a better rear field of fire.




Hope that all makes sense.

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My Ca. 47 will have 2 300hp engines instead of the previous 3 x200hp, to save a bit of weight, and to give a better rear field of fire.




Hope that all makes sense.

the plane should have a bigger top speed (due to lower drag), but lower climbrate and acceleration (due to two propellers pulling 300 hp each being less efficient than three pulling 200hp each).

Being as it is a bomber design, I think the twin engine configuration is a better compromise for you. Bombers don't live from acceleration and climbrate, but higher top speed always come handy for them. Which, once again ,is a good thing for the plane.

Also the plane should consume less fuel with two engines, giving it a somewhat extended range

Modified my aircraft attendance list!