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Monday, August 18th 2008, 2:21am

Sluagh Sídhe, Irish Cúrsóir

Since I mentioned it in another post, I figure I'd post the design that bears the name...

The story goes like this. In 1936, the Pope, the Sultan of Brunei and Hejadz, and Taoiseach Eamon de Valera are playing cards in Coldmere before the coronation of Queen Bethanie. The Sultan has been losing all night to the Pope and the Taoiseach, but finally, on the final hand, the Pope bows out and the Sultan throws down a royal flush to beat the Taoiseach. In his celebratory dance the Sultan accidentally lets slip that he cheated, and the Pope calls upon God to judge the transgression. The Sultan is struck dead by lightning, and the Taoiseach is awarded the Sultan's kingdom by a beam of light falling from above, suddenly and unexpectedly initiating the First Irish Empire. The heir of Brunei, the famed South China Sea pirate Captain-Prince Omar Kayyahm, says he would only accept the outcome if a fairy host destroyed his pirate fleet and his land forts.

Incensed, the Irish build a cruiser in Belgium using Canadian guns and Australian help, and name it the Sluagh Sídhe, or Fairy Host (an Irish mythological version of the Wild Hunt, basically the spirits of the restless dead, etc). They sail it around the world and defeat Captain-Prince Omar's flagship, the Begawan, and blow up the Sultanate's land forts.

Somewhere in there Captain-Prince Omar is killed aboard his ruby yacht by a ninja, and de Valera daringly rescues a princess from Manzo's biplane during the penultimate 1938 World Cup match between India and the Netherlands, though in the confusion Harlock manages to capture the Ruby Yacht, which has the Ark of the Covenant and the Spear of Longinus aboard...

*Stares back at everyone.* Why yes, I am perfectly sane, why do you ask? Hey, get away from me with that straightjacket...

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Sluagh Sídhe / Fairy Host, Irish Cúrsóir laid down 1936

Displacement:
15,212 t light; 15,842 t standard; 17,017 t normal; 17,958 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
680.00 ft / 680.00 ft x 76.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
207.26 m / 207.26 m x 23.16 m x 7.62 m

Armament:
8 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (4x2 guns), 389.34lbs / 176.60kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 3.70" / 94.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 25.33lbs / 11.49kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,380 lbs / 1,533 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.20" / 234 mm 492.00 ft / 149.96 m 10.46 ft / 3.19 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 111 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 8.00" / 203 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 2.00" / 51 mm

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 9.20" / 234 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 110,482 shp / 82,419 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 9,000nm at 13.25 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,116 tons

Complement:
744 - 968

Cost:
£6.967 million / $27.867 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 422 tons, 2.5 %
Armour: 4,739 tons, 27.8 %
- Belts: 1,950 tons, 11.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1,119 tons, 6.6 %
- Armour Deck: 1,539 tons, 9.0 %
- Conning Tower: 131 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 3,100 tons, 18.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,771 tons, 39.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,805 tons, 10.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 180 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
23,506 lbs / 10,662 Kg = 60.4 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 15.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.461
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.95 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.08 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.00 ft / 8.84 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 23.50 ft / 7.16 m
- Mid (50 %): 23.50 ft / 7.16 m (16.50 ft / 5.03 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.50 ft / 5.03 m
- Stern: 16.50 ft / 5.03 m
- Average freeboard: 20.44 ft / 6.23 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 168.1 %
Waterplane Area: 33,268 Square feet or 3,091 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 133 lbs/sq ft or 651 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.27
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 2:27am

The King of Atlantis wishes he was at that card game, so that he may have fed large quantity's of Lyran wine to the other card players!

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 2:29am

But de Valera is an Irishman, so I expect he could hold his wine... :D

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 2:32am

Ah but this is Lyran wine!

(Hey I had to come up with a wesworld version of Romulan ale)

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 2:40am

Why do Irish names always sound so cool, ans as a Sláine fan i demand that the sister ship be named Cromm Crúaich! :D

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 2:47am

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
Why do Irish names always sound so cool, ans as a Sláine fan i demand that the sister ship be named Cromm Crúaich! :D

Hm. I'm seeing a war on the canals of Mars... but that's a story for another day!

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 2:48am

...making Harlock invincible, and his ancient armored cruiser the undisputed master of the seas. It makes perfect sense!

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 2:51am

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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
...making Harlock invincible, and his ancient armored cruiser the undisputed master of the seas. It makes perfect sense!

Actually, Ithekro told me the new Arcadia should be out by now. I even have some general specifications...

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 2:52am

The main battery and vertical armor are quite good, the secondary battery is light in both numbers and size and the deck armor is fair for the size of the hull. Top speed's fine, range is good though the cruise speed's a bit slower than some. No torpedoes?

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 3:06am

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
...making Harlock invincible, and his ancient armored cruiser the undisputed master of the seas. It makes perfect sense!

Actually, Ithekro told me the new Arcadia should be out by now. I even have some general specifications...


Hmm, I'm getting a few nefarious idea's myself...

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 3:30am

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
The main battery and vertical armor are quite good, the secondary battery is light in both numbers and size and the deck armor is fair for the size of the hull. Top speed's fine, range is good though the cruise speed's a bit slower than some. No torpedoes?

The quirk was that I had the original design marked for 1939, and when I cut her back to 1936, I had to lower the cruise speed to make her work. Slightly unprofessional, but...

I made the design for a thread on the Warships Projects Discussion Board for RN cruisers capable of taking on a pocket battleship. Some of the specs were already set. I elected to drop torpedoes since I feel BCs and BBs have less chance to use them effectively, while retaining the threat of a kaboom. I never added any when I ported it over to Wesworld.

However, I just went back and redid the ship with your suggestions in mind, adding a transom stern to help compensate for the changes.

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Sluagh Sídhe and Cromm Crúaich, Irish Cúrsóirs laid down 1939

Displacement:
15,011 t light; 15,684 t standard; 17,100 t normal; 18,233 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
680.00 ft / 680.00 ft x 76.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
207.26 m / 207.26 m x 23.16 m x 7.62 m

Armament:
8 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (4x2 guns), 389.34lbs / 176.60kg shells, 1939 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 4.70" / 119 mm guns (6x2 guns), 51.91lbs / 23.55kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,800 lbs / 1,724 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
12 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.20" / 234 mm 492.00 ft / 149.96 m 10.46 ft / 3.19 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 111 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 8.00" / 203 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 2.00" / 51 mm

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 9.20" / 234 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 96,074 shp / 71,671 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 9,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,548 tons

Complement:
746 - 971

Cost:
£7.496 million / $29.983 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 475 tons, 2.8 %
Armour: 4,849 tons, 28.4 %
- Belts: 1,950 tons, 11.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1,165 tons, 6.8 %
- Armour Deck: 1,602 tons, 9.4 %
- Conning Tower: 132 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 2,599 tons, 15.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,908 tons, 40.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,089 tons, 12.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 180 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
26,353 lbs / 11,954 Kg = 67.7 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 3.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
Roll period: 16.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 56 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.463
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.95 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.17 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.00 ft / 8.84 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 23.50 ft / 7.16 m
- Mid (50 %): 23.50 ft / 7.16 m (16.50 ft / 5.03 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.50 ft / 5.03 m
- Stern: 16.50 ft / 5.03 m
- Average freeboard: 20.44 ft / 6.23 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 146.6 %
Waterplane Area: 34,633 Square feet or 3,218 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 134 lbs/sq ft or 655 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.30
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent


Yes, I know the block coefficient is very low. Any suggestions for bringing it up while retaining the current weight?

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 3:38am

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
...making Harlock invincible, and his ancient armored cruiser the undisputed master of the seas. It makes perfect sense!

Actually, Ithekro told me the new Arcadia should be out by now. I even have some general specifications...


You heard from Ith? How's he doin'?

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 3:53am

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Originally posted by ShinRa_Inc

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
...making Harlock invincible, and his ancient armored cruiser the undisputed master of the seas. It makes perfect sense!

Actually, Ithekro told me the new Arcadia should be out by now. I even have some general specifications...


You heard from Ith? How's he doin'?

Actually, I heard from him last week... (I hope it's not a problem that I'm copying from the email I received...)

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I've just not been able to get my creative side functioning too well this last year and especially the last six months. I've barely done anything in Navalism of late even. I'd even purchased a book on aircraft from the Chaco War to help my, but never finished it, nor managed to rekindle my own interest in Wesworld after the gigantic pause with no real activity.

Sorry, but that's pretty much all I know. If you want more, I'd suggest asking someone more knowledgeable than myself...

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 4:22am

Hm. I just managed to get a version sitting exactly at 15,000 tons - meaning a precise 24-month build time! Maybe I should have Bulgaria build this design...

HoOmAn

Keeper of the Sacred Block Coefficient

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 7:09am

Brock, Brock, Brock......

Are you sure there hasn´t been anything in your coffee this morning? I just spilled mine all over my laptop!

Nice story, nice ship.

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Monday, August 18th 2008, 3:38pm

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Brock, Brock, Brock......

Are you sure there hasn´t been anything in your coffee this morning? I just spilled mine all over my laptop!

Nice story, nice ship.

Thanks. Actually, it was probably my special tea... :D

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Brockpaine" (Aug 18th 2008, 3:38pm)


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Tuesday, August 19th 2008, 3:16am

Naw, he won't be invincible untill he fights a certain ship and finds a certain chest...

Kaiser Kirk

Lightbringer and former European Imperialist

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Tuesday, August 19th 2008, 5:16pm

Reminiscant of some Dutch designs I've toyed with, though the one that almost got built is a fair bit different.

I would be desirous of slightly faster, to keep a 3-4knot margin over expected BBs. The deck armor is dandy against similar cruisers and existing CAs, but not sufficient for BCs, while the belt armor is thick enough for some BCs but lacking height. So I would advocate a slightly thinner but wider belt armor.