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Originally posted by perdedor99
He just laid down the Villar. The Guise will not be laid down until 1937 according the schedule I had. Up to him. All he has to do is tell me what will happen with the ships down the road to make the changes in the Peru thread. I still think both ships make a nice addition to the Peruvian fleet. Also I bet he will have a lot of help from his allies.

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Originally posted by perdedor99
Oh yeah and I know they suck. Is like having a island nation on the middle of the Atlantic. Is just a game.

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Speed: at least 30 knots.
Range: at least 12,000 nautical miles.
Armament: 40-60 aircraft.
Main 100mm-130mm DP guns
Secondaries [suggested 40mms and 20mms]
Displacement-15000-25000 tons standard

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Eendracht II, Netherlands Carrier laid down 1934

Displacement:
20,917 t light; 21,606 t standard; 25,006 t normal; 27,726 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
743.08 ft / 721.78 ft x 80.38 ft x 24.93 ft (normal load)
226.49 m / 220.00 m x 24.50 m x 7.60 m

Armament:
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns (4x2 guns), 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1928 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns in single mounts, 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1928 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
24 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (6x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1933 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
20 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
4 - 0.52" / 13.2 mm guns in single mounts, 0.07lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1934 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 1,005 lbs / 456 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 300

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 511.81 ft / 156.00 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Ends: 1.57" / 40 mm 209.94 ft / 63.99 m 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.77" / 45 mm 511.81 ft / 156.00 m 23.00 ft / 7.01 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm
2nd: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 1.57" / 40 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 112,910 shp / 84,231 Kw = 31.00 kts
Range 16,650nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 6,119 tons

Complement:
993 - 1,292

Cost:
£6.345 million / $25.378 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 126 tons, 0.5 %
Armour: 4,230 tons, 16.9 %
- Belts: 1,104 tons, 4.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 772 tons, 3.1 %
- Armament: 60 tons, 0.2 %
- Armour Deck: 2,266 tons, 9.1 %
- Conning Tower: 29 tons, 0.1 %
Machinery: 3,248 tons, 13.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,813 tons, 31.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,089 tons, 16.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 5,500 tons, 22.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
44,369 lbs / 20,126 Kg = 744.5 x 4.9 " / 125 mm shells or 6.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 16.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.605
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.98 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.58 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 10.66 ft / 3.25 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.87 ft / 9.41 m
- Forecastle (14 %): 27.43 ft / 8.36 m
- Mid (50 %): 27.43 ft / 8.36 m
- Quarterdeck (22 %): 27.43 ft / 8.36 m
- Stern: 27.43 ft / 8.36 m
- Average freeboard: 27.61 ft / 8.42 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 233.8 %
Waterplane Area: 44,436 Square feet or 4,128 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 145 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 116 lbs/sq ft or 565 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.41
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

LxB = 220mx 24.5m =5390/ 70 =77

Misc : SQRT (4900) = 70 aircraft
The 600 tons extra misc are
50 tons ATC / fire control
50 tons reserved for electronics
100 tons fire fighting and ventilation for lower hanger
200 tons additional aircraft spares
200 tons "spare" for growth.

The lower hanger is incorporated into the hull, with 1 deck above waterline and then the 5m high hanger, with a 35m flying off deck forward, with catapult. The primary usage for unassisted fighter launch.

A second hanger, 5m high is formed from the superstructure and supports the main flight deck. The main deck is cantelievered 3.25m off either side, with a 3.25m round down aft. Giving an area of 191.5L x 31m W and served by 3 centerline lifts. A further catapult is located here. Two elevators are provided, one forward of the last crash barrier, and one prior to the first crash barrier.

Weaponry is arranged with 4 twin 125mm mounts fore/aft of the island, and the remaining 8 single mounts in galleries below the flight deck fore and aft, much like CV 6's 5" guns.

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin

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Originally posted by perdedor99
Oh yeah and I know they suck. Is like having a island nation on the middle of the Atlantic. Is just a game.

So what your saying is because we have a few fictional nations we might as well throw all realism out the window? How does the existance of Atlantis make Peru richer?

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Originally posted by howard
Like Siam, Peru is inside a nutcracker. It needs to be innovative and somewhat oddball to resist squeezing. Also I think that the Peruvians are just the kind of crazies who would opt for a carrier, just because their neighbors got one.

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Originally posted by howard
Not everything a nation does makes sense or is "realistic". Need I remind you of a certain nation that right now is up to its ears in doing what to a rational person would regard as sheer international craziness? And no, I'm not talking about Iran.

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Originally posted by howard
Like Weimar Germany? Look at it in 1929, and then look again in 1942, and ask "from where did all that warmachine come?" 13 years from zero to the strongest nation on Earth is quite real.

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Originally posted by howard
Well I inherited a well built up concern. The point is that Peru is no stronger than Persia is on paper. Geographically it is a tougher proposition to play, as its stuck out on a limb all by its lonesome with a major war next door. And did I miss the part where a potential rival is getting a pair of carriers? Nope. Would I be doing my job as a sim manager, if I didn't at least try to build up my defenses?

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Originally posted by howard
I'm not throwing realism out the window . I do something called a threat analysis and try to meet the threat. Like Siam, I've been given a Peru hand to play to which I must conform. Most of it is very good. But I have to consider that force base and what I can do with it while playing in character. Can't out-build my neighbors, so I have to do the best I can within my means. At this point that means throwing a monkey wrench into their works with some leverage since the means I could use will take too long to build.

H.