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Originally posted by Vukovlad
Sustained fire, Infantry use, man portable and preferably in 12,7mm

That makes no sense. Sustained fire and 12.7mm in 1930s tech is a 150+ pound ground-mounted MG whether water or air-cooled.

Fire the guy who wrote those specs and try again.

H.

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
O´rly

Yes really.

http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg03-e.htm

Best of the lot. Note the WEIGHT.

H.

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
Well the M-2 on a tripod is roughly a third of that weight, wheels and shields arent used much outside of Russia

http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg04-e.htm

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Weight: 38 kg MG, 58 kg complete with M3 tripod

127.6 pounds. You don't see many of those on ground mounts. By definition they are also strictly burst fire, not sustained fire machine guns-lacking a quick change barrel.

H.

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
400,000 in WW2 isnt many?

B-17s, B-24s, B-25s, virtually every US fighter you can name, pintle guns on virtually every US AFV for anti-material and AAA use- 400,000 Ma Deuces isn't enough to cover the total. More like 600,000.

And no they weren't issued as portable GPMGs. They were VEHICLE weapons.

Something in the bore range of 6.5mm to 8mm is entirely adequate for infantry use. Siam is about to shop around for a family of infantry weapons [I've just about decided this requirement and who it will be as the source.] that it can use in its terrain to meet its new model army requirements. Portability, manhandling and ease of use as well as cheap and effective are my requirements. There is a GPMG that is neither British nor German that fits the profile to which Siam can get access.

I intend to buy that and use it.

H.

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
400,000 is in the ground role only, not counting aircraft weapons and since the other than the MG34/42 there are no pre-1945 GPMG

GPMGs weren't called that then, They were either light machine guns or medium machine guns and varied by weight though not caliber. Note that please.

Cite your source for 400,000 ground mounts, also, please. AFAIK most of those M-2s were vehicle guns as the US Army used them on everything from tanks to trucks, most of them exactly for the reasons I cited above.

H.

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
Wow, did you actually read the link you posted?

Since the original air-cooled barrels were too light to provide any degree of sustained fire in ground applications, heavier barrels were soon introduced for the ground-mounted guns, so this weapon became the “M2 Heavy Barrel” or M2HB for short. In 1938 the barrel of the M2HB was lengthened to provide more striking energy and longer range, and in this form the M2HB was made in great numbers during the Second World War. US arms factories turned out a little less than 2 million M2 guns in all versions between 1941 and 1945, of which over 400,000 were made in M2HB configuration for ground use.

Show another pre-1945 MG other than MG34/45 that were able to perform LMG,MMG and HMG roles?

Bren to the first, since it was so used, even if it was not so called.

The 400,000 ground mounts Vuko were for ground vehicles. Aircraft mounts were aircraft mounts.

H.

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
1. Plenty of M-2HB used by the infantry the very reason the HB was developed was to increase its ability for sustained fire

2. Never stated the M-2HB was a GPMG, Howard claimed that there were other guns than the MG-34/42 that could be counted as GPMG

3. A GPMG is a weapon that can fulfill all three roles (sometimes with different barrels), the Bren was never used as an HMG

1. The HB cannot sustain more than burst fire. Have you ever fired a Ma Deuce?

2>L Sure did. The Bren was used as a machine gun in attack, fixed defense, as an AAA machine gun and what not because of its remarkable robustness by the British-especially in their paratrooper formations. You nitpick and quibble on this. I just cite the history.

3. A GPMG is not expected to be an anti-armor gun-which is what the M-2 originally was and STILL is in Iraq.

H.