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To be held May 1-10 at RAF Hendon.

There will be a service display (around 200 aircraft will be in the RAF flypast), new types static display with some flying demonstrations in front of the new Monarch and the SBAC show (tradepersons only).

Projected types in the New Types Display are the;
Supermarine Spitfire
Handley Page Hampden
Handley Page Hereford
Bristol Beaufort
Fairey Barracuda
Gloster Gannet
Armstrong Whitworth AW.38 Whitley Mk II
Bristol Type 138

Foreign vistors are welcomed, please feel free to list types and any VIPs or famous people to attend.

[Note Manzo is NOT welcome and will be arrested on sight!]


PPS
This is a warm up for Talons over Cordboa if the SA war finishes this year!!!

Ther Imperial Persian Airforce will participate with:

2 x Gothia Works GW-107
1 x AeroDynamics RBW-9D "Dragonfly"

The Imperial family will use this opportunity to inspect the Armstrong Whitworth Ensign closer

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Note Manzo is NOT welcome and will be arrested on sight!

Don't worry. Manzo will be locked up during the event. In the mean time, one of the groups that Japan will be sending is...

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This is a warm up for Talons over Cordboa if the SA war finishes this year!!!

Even if it means that SAER and SATSUMA will have to team up, we will make sure that there is a Talons over Cordoba this year!


In the mean time, I will try to figure out what and who to send...

Canada will be sending a ShinRa-Berliner NS-64 Gyrodyne for public display, and an Avro Canada CF-173 for a private display for the Monarch and RAF officials (should they want one)

Oh, I'll throw in the Pegasus, too.

Bulgaria will be sending Kapitan Dobri Kolarov, our leading demonstration flier, with a team of three pilots, flying both German-built Bf-109Bs and Avia B-135 aircraft, assembled in Bulgaria at the DAR/Avia plant.

Additionally, pilots Lidiya Ivanova, Kalina Dimitrova and eight other women of the 503 Yato, a Maritime Fighter Squadron (1) will be in England following the completion of their fighter training. They will be serving as ferry pilots for Bulgaria's newly-purchased Spitfires (2) and orders are being amended to give them an opportunity to stop at Hendon. This will be a chance for Supermarine to show off the alternate armament Bulgaria requested. (3)

In summary, Bulgaria will have:
- 2 DAR/Avia B-135s
- 2 Bf-109Bs
- Some Spitfires

(1) The 503rd Kerkenez Yato (Kestrel Squadron) is an all-female Maritime Fighter squadron that is just being formed using Spitfire Mk Is.
(2) Bulgaria's Spitfire delivery is being made from March to May 1936, with 36 units.
(3) Bulgaria's requested Spitfires are to be armed with two MG131 13mm machine guns and four MG17 7.92mm machine guns because Bulgaria wanted to maintain ammo standards between its various fighters.

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(3) Bulgaria's requested Spitfires are to be armed with two MG131 13mm machine guns and four MG17 7.92mm machine guns because Bulgaria wanted to maintain ammo standards between its various fighters.

[Actually, the 13mm MG-131 doesn't exist yet, the Bf-109Bs that Bulgaria has are armed with 7.92mm MG-17s and 15mm MG-151s.]

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
(3) Bulgaria's requested Spitfires are to be armed with two MG131 13mm machine guns and four MG17 7.92mm machine guns because Bulgaria wanted to maintain ammo standards between its various fighters.

[Actually, the 13mm MG-131 doesn't exist yet, the Bf-109Bs that Rumania has are armed with 7.92mm MG-17s and 15mm MG-151s.]

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(You mean Bulgaria, right?)

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Yes yes. Pretend I said 15mm MG-151s.

Akademician Andrei Tupolev and Semyon Lavochkin, who will have the ANT-35 and IK-34 flying, as well as a static display of the Pe-2 and ANT-36 tactical bombers.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
(3) Bulgaria's requested Spitfires are to be armed with two MG131 13mm machine guns and four MG17 7.92mm machine guns because Bulgaria wanted to maintain ammo standards between its various fighters.

[Actually, the 13mm MG-131 doesn't exist yet, the Bf-109Bs that Rumania has are armed with 7.92mm MG-17s and 15mm MG-151s.]

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(You mean Bulgaria, right?)

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Yes yes. Pretend I said 15mm MG-151s.

Hah, yes, Bulgaria.

Australia will send the "Black Swans" Flight Team, now flying Sea Gladiators. Also from the Land Down Under will be a pair of Australian Aviation's AA-5 Centaur, light fighters, and a surprise plane. The secret Australian entry into the Schneider Thropy Race, a plane known only as the "Lake Eyre Monster"...


From Mexico comes a joint TNCA/FAM team consisting of the renown aerospace engineer Angel Lascurian and Capitan Valenzuela. They will be bringing the prototypes of the C-9 Tornado and C-10 Aguila II fighter planes. Also from Mexico, Azcarte will be rbinging in the B-23 Dragon medium bomber.

Erm Nordmark will send a group of aircraft though types will be confirmed soon, when I can remember them.

The Luftwaffe will send a fighter flight composed of Bf-109Bs and Fw-187s, and a bomber flight composed of He-111s, (brand new) Ju-88s, Bf-110s, and Ju-87s. Additional aircraft to be displayed include the Fw-200 & prototype Fw-205 Condor, a Do-24 of the North Sea Rescue Service (overflight only, since it's not an amphibian, unless other arrangements can be made), the Ju-90S (assuming the engines will not overheat), the Do-215, the He-112, and the Fw-189.

Additionally, the V-2 prototype of the DB-603 engine will be displayed, along with models of the He-177, the He-100, Do-217, and the Fw-190.

Huh.... I wasn´t aware all these types are already available to Germany.

What variant of the He-177 will be shown?

I´m not aware of any historical FW205 - so what´s the difference to the historical Condor?

Is there any water near Hendon that could be used for floatplanes or flying boats?

If so the Albatross and Osprey floatplanes could probably be presented - should the war in South America allow the SAE to send any planes at all.....

The WW He-177 is really based on the He-177B/277 (since it wasn't required to be dive-bombing capable, there was no need for it to have only 2 nacelles). It first flew (with BMW-139 engines, the same as the Ju-90S) in late 1935. At the time of the Hendon meet, it's waiting for replacement engines, since BMW has given up on the BMW-139 and will be delivering BMW-801s in late June to replace them. (That's why the note on the Ju-90S, it also has the BMW-139s but Junkers is trying to get it to work a bit more, while Heinkel's working on the He-100 and putting the He-177 on the back burner until the BMW-801s come in.)

The Fw-205 Condor has been discussed previously (both as the Fw-205 and it's original designation, the Fw-200B), it's a strengthened, longer-winged and longer-ranged version of the WW Fw-200 designed to operate between Berlin and New York.

There is no water nearby unless you count the Thames. I suppose a few seaplanes could be based at Benfleet, Canvey Island, Chatham or Southend in the Thames Estuary and flown up river and over the city.

The closest bit of water I can find is the Brent Reservoir (or Welsh Harp Reservoir) about 3 kilometers south-southwest of the RAF Museum Hendon. I wasn't sure if it would be around in the 1930s but after a quick search I found out that the Brent and Silk Stream were dammed in the mid 1830s to form the reservoir so it should be around in 1936. It's about 1300 meters long and the narrowest part is about 220 meters... though I don't know if that's the size it had back in the 1930s.

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Nordmark will send a fighter flight formed of 2 Sopwith Odin's, 2 Saab Orkans, and a Kongsberg Försvar Geting.
A Bomber group of 2 B-17's, and 3 brand new Kongsberg Försvar Batalj's will also attend.

The Navy also hopes to send 2 Svea Odin's and a pair of Saab Torpedera Torpedo Bombers assuming they are ready will be on display.

Denmark will send a selection of land based aircraft, flying boats and seaplanes, including.......

At Welsh Harp Reservoir,
1 x DAF Ro(w) XV "Roskilde" (as support for water based aircraft)
1 x DAF(s) 1 "Svale" in floatplane (torpedo bomber) configuration
1 x DAF Ro(w)XIV "Ronaut" twin engined flying boat

At Hendon
1 x DAF(w) XVI "Thiassi" transport aircraft (as support for the land based aircraft)

1 x DAF(s) 1 "Svale" in landplane (Light bomber) configuation
1 x DAF(s) 1b "SommerSvale" in reconnaisance configuation
2 x DAF(s) 2 "Kestrel" heavy fighters
2 x DAF(s) 3 "Cormorant" Torpedo/Dive bombers
2 x DAF(s) 4 "Falcon" single engine fighter

Yes! Someone who is not holding back with the stuff he is sending to Hendon!!


Looking a bit more into the Brent Reservoir (a.k.a. the Welsh Harp) on wikipedia...

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During the Second World War, a seaplane was kept on the reservoir and rumoured to be an escape route for the Prime Minister.

... so this bit suggests that it was big enough back then for seaplanes to land and take off from.
And regarding the size of the reservoir...

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At its greatest extent it covered 400 acres (1.6 km²) in 1853, but was dramatically reduced to 195 acres (789,000 m²) in the 1890s, and subsequently has been reduced to 110 acres (445,000 m²).

Assuming that is was a bit bigger back then roughly in all directions, since a Runway of Hendon was on the south side of what is now the Museum, it is possible that the distance from the lake to the base might be 2 kilometers or less. With a special bus service, visitors could be taken from the airfield to the reservoir fairly quickly.