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Marinha Imperial
1936 First Quarter Report
1 January-31 March

A. Factories
4/7 factories = 6,000t of material + 0t stockpiled =6,000t available
6,000t are used and 0t transferred, leaving a stockpile of 0t.

3/7 factories (committed) = 0.45 infrastructure pts +
0/7 factories (flexible) = 0.0 pts = 0.0 pts available

B. Infrastructure Development

None

C. Naval Development and Construction

at Rio de Janeiro:
S3: CL-19 Mosqueteiro receives 1,000t, balance 7,803t
S1: *upgrading*
S1: *upgrading*
S1: *upgrading*
S1: idle
D3: CL-20 Almirante Abreu receives 1,000t, balance 8,036t
D3: CL-18 Piqueiro receives 1,000t, balance 5,653t
Dockside: CL-17 Almirante Tamandaré receives 1,000t, balance 1,463t
Dockside: CL-16 Almirante Barroso receives 1,000t, balance 1,463t
Dockside: CL-15 Esgrimista receives 1,000t, balance 3,592t

at Macapa:
S1: idle
S1: idle
S1: idle
S1: idle
S0: idle
D1: idle
D0: idle

at Manaus:
S0: idle
S0: idle
D0: idle
D0: idle

Commercial shipyards:
idle

D. Transactions

none

E. Other Notes

Rio S1->S3 upgrade receives 0.25 pts, 1.75 pts remain

Rio S1->S3 upgrade receives 0.1 pts, 1.9 pts remain

Rio S1->S3 upgrade receives 0.1 pts, 1.9 pts remain

F. Scrappage Report

None

G. Updated Order of Battle, 31 March 1936

Note: completed (under repair/refit) + under construction

Battleships 2(0)+0
Coastal Battleships 0(0)+0
Battlecruisers 2(0)+0
Light Cruisers 4(0)+6
Destroyers 23(0)+0
Submarines 9(0)+0
Gunboats 5(0)+0
Minelayers 1(0)+0
Submarine Tender 1(0)+0
Collier 1(0)+0
Training Ship 1(0)+0

When were the BCs sunk? Wouldn't it be better to repair them as fast as possible than to build more CLs? Active BCs means that the SAE has to deploy its own BCs and BBs to protect the convoys.

The MIB isn't likely to re-invest capital into battlecruisers that'll be totally obsolete once they're rebuilt. The cruisers are more important to the war effort. If the Rio and Recife are brought back into service instead of scrapped outright, it'll be as carriers.

??? Considering that a RSAN carrier got sunk by an Argentine battlegroup centered on one of their BCs, I'm not sure the evidence supports the idea of the BC being obsolete yet.

I agree and I'd add that converting them to CV's would be an even bigger waste of resources. The amount spent could be put into a purpose built design.

You misunderstand me. I'm not saying BCs as a whole are obsolete, I'm saying the Rio as a class will be. I'd rather build BCs from scratch, frankly.

Ah, well, OK, that I'll not argue with, the Rios and their predecessors the Samals are by no means the best BC design the world has seen.

For a nation like Brazil they are quite handy, they outclass some of the best heavy cruisers even the larger nations have to offer. If they are obsolete I doubt we will ever see the Alaska's in Wesworld...

Well... That's not exactly true. Here's what I've been working on, although I suspect the '38 lay-down date is likely to be pushed back a year.


Rio de Janeiro, Empire of Brazil Large Cruiser laid down 1938

Displacement:
29,347 t light; 30,845 t standard; 32,400 t normal; 33,644 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
827.95 ft / 810.00 ft x 92.61 ft (Bulges 100.00 ft) x 28.00 ft (normal load)
252.36 m / 246.89 m x 28.23 m (Bulges 30.48 m) x 8.53 m

Armament:
9 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1,000.00lbs / 453.59kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
18 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (6x3 guns), 45.00lbs / 20.41kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
80 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (20x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1938 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 12 raised mounts
46 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1938 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 9,938 lbs / 4,508 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 21.0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 525.00 ft / 160.02 m 13.50 ft / 4.11 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
2.00" / 51 mm 525.00 ft / 160.02 m 25.50 ft / 7.77 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 11.0" / 279 mm
2nd: 3.00" / 76 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 3.00" / 76 mm

- Armour deck: 4.00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 115,469 shp / 86,140 Kw = 30.50 kts
Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,799 tons

Complement:
1,206 - 1,569

Cost:
£13.532 million / $54.129 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,108 tons, 3.4 %
Armour: 10,558 tons, 32.6 %
- Belts: 3,285 tons, 10.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 991 tons, 3.1 %
- Armament: 2,195 tons, 6.8 %
- Armour Deck: 3,846 tons, 11.9 %
- Conning Tower: 241 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 3,162 tons, 9.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 14,318 tons, 44.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,053 tons, 9.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
64,672 lbs / 29,335 Kg = 74.7 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 10.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 18.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.58

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.10 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 33.04 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 38.50 ft / 11.73 m
- Forecastle (17 %): 28.00 ft / 8.53 m
- Mid (50 %): 28.00 ft / 8.53 m
- Quarterdeck (17 %): 28.00 ft / 8.53 m
- Stern: 28.00 ft / 8.53 m
- Average freeboard: 28.71 ft / 8.75 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 221.4 %
Waterplane Area: 51,975 Square feet or 4,829 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 181 lbs/sq ft or 882 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.55
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Obsolete? They might not be the best BCs out there, but certainly not obsolete. The SAE only has two ships capable of bringing the Rios to action, and forcing the SAE to deploy them means Brazilian submarines have just that much more chance to torpedo them.

Now if you really don't want them I'm sure a few of us would just love to buy them.

Azerbaijan would love to purchase one to become the Caspian Sea Monster...

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Originally posted by Desertfox
Now if you really don't want them I'm sure a few of us would just love to buy them.

Is that an offer?

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Azerbaijan would love to purchase one to become the Caspian Sea Monster...

It would take you over two years to pay for just one and you don't have the facilities to support them.

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Originally posted by Fyrwulf

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Azerbaijan would love to purchase one to become the Caspian Sea Monster...

It would take you over two years to pay for just one and you don't have the facilities to support them.

So? We're thinking ahead, for the future dontcha know.

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Is that an offer?

Hell yeah! How much are you asking? Send it via PM, don't want some people to know who wants it...

Colombia would be a nice fit, and we can pay quite nicely.

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Azerbaijan would love to purchase one to become the Caspian Sea Monster...

the Volga-Don Canal has a maximum draft of 6.5 meters...

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Originally posted by AdmKuznetsov

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Azerbaijan would love to purchase one to become the Caspian Sea Monster...

the Volga-Don Canal has a maximum draft of 6.5 meters...

So? We have camels!

Colombia has no such difficulty's.

And I think Columbia could actually use some new capital ships, for that matter...