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Originally posted by Brockpaine
It seems you're looking for a ship with rather... disingenuous capabilities. Are you wanting a small CDS, a gunboat, a training ship, or a minelayer?

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Agas, Neutral Fast Minelayer laid down 1940

Displacement:
2,626 t light; 2,709 t standard; 3,000 t normal; 3,233 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
392.06 ft / 388.00 ft x 41.00 ft x 13.00 ft (normal load)
119.50 m / 118.26 m x 12.50 m x 3.96 m

Armament:
6 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns (3x2 guns), 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1940 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1940 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 393 lbs / 178 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.00" / 76 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -

- Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 62,393 shp / 46,545 Kw = 33.75 kts
Range 5,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 524 tons

Complement:
202 - 263

Cost:
£2.032 million / $8.126 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 49 tons, 1.6 %
Armour: 56 tons, 1.9 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 43 tons, 1.4 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 13 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,467 tons, 48.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 703 tons, 23.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 374 tons, 12.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 11.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
633 lbs / 287 Kg = 10.6 x 4.9 " / 125 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 13.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.81

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.508
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.46 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.70 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 69 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 72
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Stern: 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
- Average freeboard: 16.56 ft / 5.05 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 182.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 161.0 %
Waterplane Area: 10,674 Square feet or 992 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 37 lbs/sq ft or 179 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.46
- Longitudinal: 1.30
- Overall: 0.51
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

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Ctesiphon, Neutral Training vessel laid down 1940

Displacement:
3,653 t light; 3,806 t standard; 4,158 t normal; 4,440 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
385.00 ft / 385.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
117.35 m / 117.35 m x 15.24 m x 5.49 m

Armament:
2 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns in single mounts, 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (2x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1940 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 774 lbs / 351 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 250.25 ft / 76.28 m 8.49 ft / 2.59 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 3.00" / 76 mm 3.00" / 76 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm

- Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 18,294 shp / 13,647 Kw = 24.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 634 tons

Complement:
258 - 336

Cost:
£1.666 million / $6.664 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 97 tons, 2.3 %
Armour: 1,167 tons, 28.1 %
- Belts: 360 tons, 8.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 113 tons, 2.7 %
- Armour Deck: 666 tons, 16.0 %
- Conning Tower: 28 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 489 tons, 11.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,625 tons, 39.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 505 tons, 12.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 275 tons, 6.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7,551 lbs / 3,425 Kg = 29.5 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 2.1 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 14.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.39
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.44

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.420
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.70 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 19.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Mid (50 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Stern: 15.00 ft / 4.57 m
- Average freeboard: 15.72 ft / 4.79 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 64.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.9 %
Waterplane Area: 12,001 Square feet or 1,115 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 130 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 83 lbs/sq ft or 404 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.90
- Longitudinal: 2.37
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
Frankly I dont get the first design, decent range but a poor seaboat, twice as heavy as the original Agas and still not able to outrun cruisers or destroyers.

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
Ctesiphon (II), Persia Training ship laid down 1936

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
Frankly I dont get the first design, decent range but a poor seaboat, twice as heavy as the original Agas and still not able to outrun cruisers or destroyers.

That's partly a result of Springsharp's inability to sim extremely high-speed vessels. The highest speed I could get without having it fall apart was 33.75 knots... but the Abdiel-class minelayer, which I based it on, could make 38 knots. That, I believe, could outrun a destroyer.

True, the seaboat quality is not that great, but remember again that's partly a factor of Springsharp disliking ultrafast designs. It's also partly because the ship has a high L/B ratio, meaning I had to play around a lot more with the trim to get a favorable stability.