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Personally, I think Czechoslovakia ought to remain a neutral, nonaligned NPC.

If it's decided to put the Czechs in the PRJ, then I'd like to request that someone besides Canadian be made caretaker of them (no offense to you, Canadian - I just feel that having one person speak for three PRJ countries would be unbalancing).

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Personally, I think Czechoslovakia ought to remain a neutral, nonaligned NPC.

Seconded!!

Didn't really want to run the Czech's anyhow, too much trouble, and they can't build ships.

Anyhow, back to the designs, Im also considering this, which in light of Polands limited infrastructure probably fits better. They would act as a Fast Division with the two AC's.

Krakow, Poland Large Cruiser laid down 1938

Displacement:
19,879 t light; 20,735 t standard; 22,339 t normal; 23,622 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
686.97 ft / 675.00 ft x 71.00 ft (Bulges 81.00 ft) x 28.60 ft (normal load)
209.39 m / 205.74 m x 21.64 m (Bulges 24.69 m) x 8.72 m

Armament:
9 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (3x3 guns), 500.00lbs / 226.80kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.22lbs / 15.98kg shells, 1938 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (1x16 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mount
on side, all raised guns
16 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (1x16 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mount
on side, all raised guns
Weight of broadside 4,817 lbs / 2,185 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 438.75 ft / 133.73 m 10.11 ft / 3.08 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1.97" / 50 mm 438.75 ft / 133.73 m 25.17 ft / 7.67 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 10.0" / 254 mm
2nd: 4.13" / 105 mm 2.00" / 51 mm -
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
4th: 1.97" / 50 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -

- Armour deck: 3.50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 146,474 shp / 109,270 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 4,500nm at 20.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,887 tons

Complement:
913 - 1,187

Cost:
£9.937 million / $39.749 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 602 tons, 2.7 %
Armour: 6,157 tons, 27.6 %
- Belts: 1,483 tons, 6.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 805 tons, 3.6 %
- Armament: 1,547 tons, 6.9 %
- Armour Deck: 2,150 tons, 9.6 %
- Conning Tower: 171 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 4,011 tons, 18.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,960 tons, 40.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,460 tons, 11.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
31,119 lbs / 14,115 Kg = 62.2 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 4.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 18.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 63 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.33 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.09 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 27.50 ft / 8.38 m
- Mid (50 %): 27.50 ft / 8.38 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 27.50 ft / 8.38 m
- Stern: 27.50 ft / 8.38 m
- Average freeboard: 27.38 ft / 8.35 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 112.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 168.6 %
Waterplane Area: 33,206 Square feet or 3,085 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 147 lbs/sq ft or 720 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.92
- Longitudinal: 2.18
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Thoughts?

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Originally posted by TheCanadian
Anyhow, back to the designs, Im also considering this, which in light of Polands limited infrastructure probably fits better. They would act as a Fast Division with the two AC's.

This being...?

Note to self, when copying and pasting, make sure to remember to paste document otherwise before posting. It's up now. They'd be built as a class of 3. The only problem is finding 10in turrents.

10 inch turrets would be a problem. Why not go up just a little in size (and get some commonality with the 28.3cm guns you already have) and build/buy a Derfflinger?

Also:

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Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

Warning, Danger Will Robinson.

She looks like a faster, more heavily-armoured version of Pancho Villa and Komitadji. But if you're throwing her in with your ACs, the speed is wasted since the Lews can't keep up with her. Better to make a second run of 31-knot, heavily-armoured Lews than this one, IMHO.

That's actually probably a better option, considering that Germany and the Poles have pretty good relations right now, and my naval armament is all German. Although the speed for the Derfflingers is 3 knots slower, shes overall a better ship.

Hm, yes. Forgot about the new Derfflingers. Probably good designs for Poland ATM.

Well, current heavy Polish guns are German, the AA mountings are Nordish. Derfflinger, like it's predecessors, wasn't intended to be super-fast, so it isn't.