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Monday, March 24th 2008, 4:51pm

Upcoming Bulgarian AF RfPs

In 1936 and 1937, Bulgaria is looking to acquire more new aircraft, and seeks foreign input.

Scheduled for 1936:
**1936.1 - Army Recon. 24 to 48 craft will be ordered
**1936.2 - Light level bombers. Between 24 and 48 craft will be ordered
**1936.3 - Seaplane fighter. 24 craft are expected to be ordered
**1936.4 - Spotter/Liaison. 36 craft are expected to be purchased

Scheduled for 1936 or 1937:
**1937.1 - Army Recon/Air Support. At least 36 craft will be ordered
**1937.2 - Fighter-interceptor. Fokker/Avia pretty much has this contract sewn up since Avia purchased a share in Bulgaria's state airplane factory (the home team wins) but if someone can put together a dramatically superior type...
**1937.3 - Line bomber for 1938 delivery. 36 craft are expected to be purchased

1936.1 - Army Recon
The VNVV wants an aircraft suitable for tactical reconnaissance and army cooperation. Ideally, a speed of 225-275 mph should be achieved, with a range of 500 miles and a 25k service ceiling. The VNVV expects to purchase no fewer than 24 aircraft, but would ideally like to outfit a recon squadron to all four of its major corps-sized armies. (Note: something like the Focke-Wulf Fw-189 would be a perfect fit.)

1936.2 - Light Level-Bomber
The VNVV is looking for a light single- or twin-engined light bomber capable of carrying a torpedo or 1,500lbs of bombs. Speed should be above 200mph and range should be in the 500-800 mile range.

1936.3 - Seaplane Fighter
The acquisition plan calls for 24 seaplane fighters, preferably single-seat monoplanes with a 280-320mph speed, climb rate of 10m/s or higher, and good maneuverability. At least one 13mm and two .30-cal MGs is preferred. (OOC, I'm not entirely sure about this one, but it was mentioned in the historical plan. I might change it out for a fighter-bomber or plain interceptor if there's nothing suitable.)

1936.4 - Spotter/Liaison
The VNVV is looking to purchase 36 STOL aircraft for liaison work and artillery spotting. Aircraft will preferably double as training types. (A perfect place to introduce the Storch.)

1937.1 - Army Recon/Air Support
This is seen as a continuation of 1936.1 with an additional air support requirement thrown in.

1937.2 - Fighter-Interceptor
This calls for a follow-on to the Bf-109Bs and Avia B.135s which Bulgaria is taking delivery of. Performance must be equal to or better than the Bf-109B/B.135. Delivery can be extended as late as 1940 for a good design.

1937.3 - Line Bomber
Bulgaria is looking to purchase 36 medium to heavy bombers capable of more than 1,000 miles range with a payload of 4,000 lbs or greater. A good operational altitude and loadout is seen as better than speed. Night capabilities are preferred.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Brockpaine" (Mar 24th 2008, 5:12pm)


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Monday, March 24th 2008, 5:03pm

Mexico can offer the following:



O-1 (TNCA Toucan), Long Range Scout/Battlefield Observation


Power: 2 x 200hp Lycoming O-435

Armament: Two 7.62/0.3in machine guns, 500 lbs of bombs

Size: Wingspan - 47ft
Length - ft
Wing area - sq ft

Weight: Empty - lb
Max take-off - 5900lb

Performance: Max speed - 140mph
Range - 750 miles





B-7 (TNCA Coyote) Light Bomber


Power: 2 x Curtiss 700hp Conqueror

Armament: Four 7.62/0.3in machine guns, 1,500 lbs of bombs

Size: Wingspan - 65ft
Length - 45ft
Wing area - 620sq ft

Weight: Empty - 11200lb
Max take-off - 5500lb

Performance: Max speed - 210mph
Ceiling - 20,400ft
Range - 500 miles





A-1 (TNCA Mapache) Ground Attack Plane

Power: Pratt & Witney 1000hp Twin Wasp

Armament: Two 7.62/0.3in machine guns, 1000lbs of bombs & rockets.

Size: Wingspan - 32ft
Length - 22ft
Wing area - 400sq ft

Weight: Empty - 3500lb
Max take-off - 4500lb

Performance: Max speed - 210mph
Ceiling - 21,500ft
Range - 500 miles
Climb - 2000ft per minute

Ground Attack development. Extra wing provides extra lift and strength. Armor provided for engine and pilot. 1x500lb max fuselage hardpoint. 2x250lb max underwing harpoints, 4x100lb max (rockets allowed) underwing harpoints. A version of this plane will be able to carry a pair of 1" MGs under the top wing. Bombload on this version will be reduced by 1/2.



And coming soon to a TNCA dealer near you:

B-23 Dragon (OTL Douglas B-23)




Aussie entries coming soon!

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Monday, March 24th 2008, 5:52pm

Atlantis can offer the following designs.

1936.2 - Light Level-Bomber
Spartan Sp-21M Vanquish II



1937.2 - Fighter-Interceptor
Accrisius Ac-15 Aves

Ripon-Bloch RB. 132 "Renegade"



1937.3 - Line Bomber
Ripon-Bloch RB-131.2

Kaiser Kirk

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Monday, March 24th 2008, 6:55pm

Fokker entries.

1936.1 - Army Recon

The Dutch parallel to the FW-187 is the G-1 A/B, whos bombbay in the central nacelle can be easily adapted for such things as cameras, additional radios, etc.
Fokker G-1A
1934 monoplane twin-boom jachtkruiser
Rough Field
Crew : 2
Powerplant : 2 x 1183hp Jumo 211B
Armament : forward 4x7.92mm & 2x 23mm Madsen, rear twin GAST 7.92mm MG in powered turret. Internal 440kg payload, radio.
Armor : none
Payload : 1,180 lbs
Range : 756nm at 170kts
Rate of climb : 2,380 fpm loaded, 2,674 fpm sans bombs
Loaded Stall speed :
Ceiling : 37,750 ft
Max speed : 331kts (381 mph) loaded, 384mph sans bombs
Corner speed : 292kts, 20.2 deg/ sec
Weight (max) : 13,900 lbs
Cost : $60,000
Wing Span: 54 ft Length: 36 ft. Wing Area: 384 ft2
Wingloading : 36lbs/ft2 (33 unloaded)



1936.2 - Light Level-Bomber
Hmm, my light attack are not designed for torpedoes. However, the new Fokker naval torpedo bomber would seem to fit the specifications and can carry bombs for land missions. The Atlantic A-10A would also make it, after that you have to jump to a proper twin-engine bomber like the T.VII.

Fokker T-VI
1935 staggered sesquiplane carrier scout/torpedo bomber
Torpedo is semi-recessed.

Rough field, Carrier capable
Crew : 3
Powerplant : 1 x 1065hp Pegasus XVIII radial
Armament : forward 4x7.92mm, rear twin 7.92mm MG in powered turret, semi-recessed torpedo radio.
Armor : 10mm disk
Payload : 1 x 1,810lb aerial torpedo, 2,015lbs at range.
Range : 810nm at 160kts
Rate of climb : 1,193 fpm loaded, 1,655 fpm sans bombs
Loaded Stall speed : 66kts
Ceiling : 27,000 ft loaded
Max speed : 228kts (262 mph) loaded, 270mph sans bombs
Corner speed : 188kts, 21.1 deg/ sec
Weight (max) : 9,750 lbs
Cost : $35,000
Wing Span: 38 ft Length: 34 ft. Wing Area: 380 ft2
Wingloading : 26lbs/ft2 (21 unloaded)

1936.3 - Seaplane Fighter
The Dutch only recently had a biplane seaplane fighter developed, but have no monoplanes. Fokker can build this under license. I have a slight misgiving about the top speed, but the CR.42 with the 1,010hp engine made 323mph, and all the other numbers are reasonable.

Atlantic BA-7W
1935 sesquiplane floatplane fighter
Catapult capable floatplane.
Crew : 2
Powerplant : 1,050hp Pratt & Whitney 1830-66 twin wasp
Armament : Equipped with 1x 20mm cannon, 4 x 7.92mm MGs and a rear flex ring mount with 2 7.92mm MGs, radio.
Armor : 8mm armor disk
Payload : 60kg on 2 x 30kg hardpoints (meant for dive bombing subs)
Range : 454nm at 145kts
Rate of climb : 2,410 fpm
Loaded Stall speed : 58kts
Ceiling : 41,000 ft
Max speed : 271kts (312 mph) at 15,000 feet
Corner speed : 242kts, 29.2 deg/ sec
Weight (max) : 5,842 lbs
Cost : $21,000
Wing Span: 35.3 ft Length: 25.9 ft. Wing Area: 250 ft2
Wingloading : 23.8lbs/ ft2 loaded


1936.4 - Spotter/Liaison
The historic C.X biplane is probably the best fit from my inventory. This category is due for upgrade, but I havent gotten to it.

Fokker C.X
Two-seat biplane reconaissance aircraft
Date first flight 1927 , in service 1929
Crew: 2
Armament: 2*mg7.92mm, 400kg bombs
Engine : 1 * R.R. Kestrel 645hp
Speed (max): 320km/h
Ceiling: 8300m
Range: 830km
Weight (Max): 2250kg
Weight (Min): 1400kg
Wingspan 12m Height 3.3m Length 9.2m
The Fokker C.10. was a two-seat mixed structured semi-biplane dive bomber and communications aircraft with fixed landing gear.
The C.10 was a sleek, good-looking aircraft; it replaced the older C.V.

1937.1 - Army Recon/Air Support
Hmm, the G-1A/B remains the best candidate from my stable I think.

The G-1B is listed due to the larger payload and radials.
Fokker G-1B
1936 monoplane twin-boom jachtkruiser
Rough Field
Crew : 2
Powerplant : 2 x 1350hp Hercules II radials
Armament : forward 8x7.92mm, rear single 7.92mm MG in powered turret. Internal 1,000kg payload, radio.
Armor : none
Payload : 2,200 lbs
Range : 756nm at 180kts
Rate of climb : 2,255 fpm loaded, 2,798 fpm sans bombs
Loaded Stall speed : 81kts
Ceiling : 36,000 ft loaded
Max speed : 307kts (353 mph) loaded, 359mph sans bombs
Corner speed : 311kts, 22.6 deg/ sec
Weight (max) : 16,610 lbs
Cost : $61,000
Wing Span: 54 ft Length: 34 ft. Wing Area: 384 ft2
Wingloading : 41lbs/ft2 (35 unloaded)



1937.2 - Fighter-Interceptor
Hmm the D.XIXD isnt quite out, so the D.XXb and D.XXI are my best candidates. The D.XXb will get faster as the 12Y-51 becomes available.

Fokker D.XXb
1934-5 monoplane fighter
stats are for clean
Rough Field
Crew : 1
Powerplant : 1 x 940hp Hispano-Suiza 12Y-49
Armament : forward 4x7.92mm MG, 1x 20mm motorcannon, radio.
Armor : none
Payload : up to 50kg (140lbs)
Range : 300nm at 160kts
Rate of climb : 3,153 fpm clean
Loaded Stall speed : 62 kts
Ceiling : 42,000 ft
Max speed : 315kts (362 mph) @ 15,000 feet.
Corner speed : 253kts, 27.6 deg/ sec @ 15,000
Weight (max) : 4,400 lbs
Weight, normal clean : 4,258 lbs
Cost : $19,000 each
Wing Span: 35.3 ft Length: 25.9 ft. Wing Area: 193 ft2
Wingloading : 22.8lbs/ft2 loaded, 22.1 lbs/ft2 normal clean




Fokker D.XXI
1934 monoplane fighter
wesworld all-metal, retractable gear, update of classic
stats are for 6x MG, no bombload

Rough Field
Crew : 1
Powerplant : 1 x 995hp Mercury XV
Armament : forward 6x7.92mm MG, radio.
Armor : 10mm disk behind pilot
Payload : up to 250kg (580lbs)
Range : 502nm at 155kts
Rate of climb : 3,106 fpm clean
Loaded Stall speed : 69 kts
Ceiling : 41,000 ft
Max speed : 302kts (347 mph) @ 15,000 feet.
Corner speed : 280kts, 27.6 deg/ sec @ 15,000
Weight (max) : 5,070 lbs
Weight, normal clean : 4,483 lbs
Cost : $24,000 each
Wing Span: 36.1 ft Length: 26.9 ft. Wing Area: 174 ft2
Wingloading : 29.1lbs/ft2 loaded, 25.7 lbs/ft2 normal clean


1937.3 - Line Bomber
The Fokker T.VII is the best I will have to offer in this time frame. The older T.V is also available. The heavy 115 & 119 are but prototypes.

Fokker T.VII
1935 monoplane twin engine maritime strike bomber
Rough Field
Crew : 6
Powerplant : 2 x 1065hp Avia Pegasus XVIII
Armament : Equipped with 2 single 7.92mm MGs in power turrets dorsal/ventral, and twin in nose/tail, space for 1x 820kg 18" aerial torpedoes internally, radio.
Armor : none
Payload : 4,864 lbs
Range : 1,080nm at 170kts
Rate of climb : 1,161 fpm loaded
Loaded Stall speed :
Ceiling : 27,000 ft
Max speed : 250kts (288 mph)
Corner speed : 191kts, 17.1 deg/ sec
Weight (max) : 19,500 lbs
Cost : $51,000
Wing Span: 69 ft Length: 44 ft. Wing Area: 520 ft2
Wingloading : 37.5lbs/ft2, 28.1 lbs/ft2 normal clean



edit : fixed the photo tags

This post has been edited 5 times, last edit by "Kaiser Kirk" (Mar 25th 2008, 2:01am)


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Monday, March 24th 2008, 9:35pm

Australia will be entering the following for the seaplane fighter role:






http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/usa/vought_v-143.gif

CAC-9 Skua (OTL modified Vought V-143)

Power: Pratt & Witney 900hp R-1830-64 Twin Wasp

Armament: Four 7.62/0.3in machine guns

Size: Wingspan - 33ft
Length - 27ft
Wing area - 190sq ft

Weight: Empty - 3500lb
Max take-off - 4400lb

Performance: Max speed - 310mph
Ceiling - 27,000ft
Range - 900 miles
Climb - 2900ft per minute


A floatplane version has been developed.

http://www.aviastar.org/air/usa/vought_v-143.php



Also CAC in cooperation with Gloster is also offering a floatplane version of the Gloster Gladiator.

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Monday, March 24th 2008, 10:01pm

Due to the improvement in relations between Romania and former enemy #1 Bulgaria, Romania offers her new intercepter the IAR 80. However, due to a difficulty in gaining the French engine for these intercepters, the IAR 80 will not go into full production until at least late 1936.


IAR 80
Wingspan 10.52 m
Length 8.9 m
Height 3.6 m
Weight (empty) 2045 kg
Weight (loaded) 2483 kg
Maximum speed at 5000 m 485 km/h
Climbs to 5000 m 5 min. 27 sec.
Maximum operational ceiling 10500 m
Range 760 km
Engine IAR 14K IVc32 1000A 1000 HP
Machine-guns 4x7.92 mm

Poland offers the PZL P.23



MODEL P-23B "Karas B"
CREW 3
ENGINE 1 x Bristol Pegasus VIII, 507kW
WEIGHTS
Take-off weight 3525 kg 7771 lb
Empty weight 1928 kg 4251 lb
DIMENSIONS
Wingspan 13.95 m 45 ft 9 in
Length 9.7 m 31 ft 10 in
Height 3.3 m 10 ft 10 in
Wing area 26.8 m2 288.47 sq ft
PERFORMANCE
Max. speed 320 km/h 199 mph
Ceiling 7300 m 23950 ft
Range 1260 km 783 miles
ARMAMENT 3 x 7.7mm machine-guns, 700kg of bombs

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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 11:01am

The British aircraft industry can offer the following.

1936.1 - Army Recon
Westland P.8 Lysander: Now finishing trials at the Aircraft and Armament Experimental Establishment at Martlesham Heath. The two-seater uses full-span leading edge slots to achieve a remarkable short take-off and landing performance. Armament is two forward-firing 7.7mm Browning and two Vickers 'K' in the rear cockpit. 240lbs of bombs or supply packs can be carried on stub wings fixed to the undercarriage spats.
Dimensions 50/ 30.6/ 14.6/ 260 sq ft; 1x 890hp Bristol Mercury XII; max speed 212 mph, range 600 miles and service ceiling 21,500ft.

1936.2 - Light Level-Bomber
Bristol Type 142M Blenheim; developed from Lord Rothermere's Britain First private aeroplane the RAF demanded a bomber variant to compete with foreign types. The aircraft is of all-metal construction with Frise mass-balanced ailerons and split flaps and with a retractable undercarriage. Three crewmen are carried and the armament consists of a 7.7mm Vickers in the port wing and a dorsal turret with twin 7.7mm Vickers 'K' guns, bombload is 1,000lbs in an internal bay (no torpedo capabilty).
Dimensions; 56.4/ 42.7/ 9.10/ 469 sq ft; 2x 840hp Bristol Mercury VIII; max speed 222mph; range 1,400 miles and service ceiling 22,000ft.

1936.3 - Seaplane Fighter
Nothing in this category is being built by Great Britain.

1936.4 - Spotter/Liaison
Westland P.8 Lysander: Offered for this role as well. Much better STOL capabilites than the Stroch. A two-seat trainer could be developed if a worthwhile order is placed.

1937.1 - Army Recon/Air Support
Fairey Battle; Three crew are carried and the armament comprises one 7.7mm MG in the starboard wing and another in a dorsal position, bombload is 1,000lbs. Production ended in 1934 so any would be refurbished ex-RAF aircraft, a RR Merlin could be fitted if desired.
Dimensions; 54/ 42.4/ 15.6/ 422 sq ft; 1x 870hp RR Peregrine I; max speed 244mph; range 1000 miles at 16,000ft at 200mph and service ceiling 25,000ft. (would be better with a Merlin engine fitted)

1937.2 - Fighter-Interceptor
Supermarine Spitfire; With the new RR Merlin and armed with eight 7.7mm Browning MGs, first flight for October 1935. Probably the best fighter of 1936 and by 1940 better variants would be in service (much like Mk.V I guess). Other types in development could be supplied but private enquires perferred.
Dimensions; 36.10/29.11/12.7/242 sq ft; 1x 1030hp RR Merlin I; max speed 346mph at 15,000ft; range 600 miles and service ceiling 35,000ft.

1937.3 - Line Bomber
Two entries
Handley Page H.P.52 Hampden; a new all-metal monoplane fast medium bomber to Spec B.9/29. First flying on 21st June 1932 this four-seat bomber with Handley Page leading-edge slots can land at 73mph and can carry 4,000lbs of bombs over 1,200 miles. Defensive armament consists of two fixed 7.7mm MGs in the nose and dorsal and ventral twin Vickers 'K' mounts.
Dimensions; 69.2/ 53.7/ 14.11/ 668 sq ft; 2x 1000hp Bristol Pegasus XVII; max speed 254mph; range 1,885 miles with 2,000lbs bombs and service ceiling 19,000ft.

Vickers Wellington Mk II; developed to B.9/29 and first flown on 15th June 1932. With a crew of six the 180 Mk II produced from 1935 will have a newer twin 7.7mm nose turret and a quad 7.7mm tail turret and two 870hp RR Peregrine I engines.
Dimensions; 86.2/ 60.10/ 17.5/ 840 sq ft; max speed 200-210mph; range 1,500 miles with 4,500lbs bombs and service ceiling 19,000ft.

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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 2:06pm

Germany's offerings

1936.1 - Army Recon
By 1936, the Fw-189 Uhu will have finished it's trials and be ready for series production.

1936.2 - Light Level-Bomber
For this role, BFW offers the Bf-110, while Dornier offers the Do-215. Both can carry 1,000 kg of bombs, and the Bf-110 is already carrying torpedoes for the Luftwaffe (the Do-215 does not currently carry torpedoes, but could be modified to do so).

1936.3 - Seaplane Fighter
Germany really doesn't have anything suitable for this role, the closest thing would be the Ar-196, but that is really not a fighter but a recon plane.

1936.4 - Spotter/Liaison
The Fieseler Storch is available here, and contrary to British manufacturer propaganda, is not bettered by the Lysander at STOL operations. The Storch can take off in shorter fields, in less wind, than the much heavier Lysander, though the Lysander is equipped to carry a much heavier weapons load than the Storch.

1937.1 - Army Recon/Air Support
There are proposals for an up-engined Fw-189, with 600 hp Argus As-411s vs the current 465 hp Argus As-410s, which would allow the Fw-189s bomb load to double to 8 50 kg bombs.

1937.2 - Fighter-Interceptor
Depending on when delivery is desired, the Bf-109D (OTL Bf-109F with 2 20mm cannon and 2 7.92mm MGs), the Fw-190A, or possibly the He-100A will be available.

1937.3 - Line Bomber
Depending on what exactly is desired here and when, the He-111, the Ju-88, the Dornier Do-217, and the Ju-90S can be offered. All of them meet the listed requirements, but the manufacturers would like more detail on what constitutes "night capabilities" and "good loadout".

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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 6:07pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
1937.3 - Line Bomber
Depending on what exactly is desired here and when, the He-111, the Ju-88, the Dornier Do-217, and the Ju-90S can be offered. All of them meet the listed requirements, but the manufacturers would like more detail on what constitutes "night capabilities" and "good loadout".

In my opinion I'd prefer to do my heavy bombing at night. At this point I'm mostly testing the waters on this particular requirement - a force of light and medium bombers is probably sufficient for me for the opponents I'd be facing.

Regarding Seaplane Fighters, I think I'm going to drop that requirement and buy regular fighters, just earmarking them for the Maritime fighter orlyak - I'll get more usage out of them that way, and superior performance to boot.

I'll probably decide on what to purchase tomorrow.

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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 6:32pm

As always, Italian companies are happy to offer products.

1936.1 can be met by the IMAM Ro 46 which is suitable for rough field operations and very simple to operate. Available engines are the Isotta-Fraschini Gamma, or de Havilland Gipsy Kingm both air-cooled inlines. Also features long endurance and lots of bomb racks. This aircraft also meets 1936.4

1937.1 could use the IMAM Ro 46 with increased armament. Some extra 7.7mm machine guns in the wings will be easy to fit. Also available is the historical Breda Ba. 65 fighter-bomber.

1937.2 can be met nicely by the Fiat CR.35bis or CR.36. Something like the Macchi C.205 might appear for export as well, based on the previous Macchi C.200

1937.4 can be met by the Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 or Caproni 174

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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 7:15pm

Why scrap the seaplane fighter requirement? Australia has a pair of nice designs and another one coming (will be revealed right after the Schneider Races). ;)


Got some specs for the B-23:

Crew: 6 (Pilot, Co-Pilot, Navigator, Radio Operator/Bombardier, Flight Engineer/Gunner, Tail Gunner)

Length: 58 ft
Wingspan: 92 ft
Height: 18 ft
Wing area: 992 ft²
Empty weight: 19,100 lb
Loaded weight: 26,500 lb
Max takeoff weight: 32,400 lb

Powerplant: 2× Wright R-2600 1,600 hp each

Maximum speed: 282 mph
Cruising speed: 210 mph
Combat radius: 1,400 nm
Ferry range: 2,750 nm
Service ceiling: 32,000 ft
Rate of climb: 1,490 ft/min

Guns: 4× .30 in (7.62 mm) machine guns (2 upper turrent, 1 nose, 1 belly) 1x .50 in (12.7mm) machine gun (tail turret)
Max Bombload: 4,000 lb (2,000 kg)

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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 7:36pm

Quoted

Why scrap the seaplane fighter requirement?


The Black Sea isn't that big, and a seaplane fighter will have a significant penalty over a conventional one.

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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 7:44pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Desertfox
Why scrap the seaplane fighter requirement? Australia has a pair of nice designs and another one coming.

My current line of thinking is thus: if I buy seaplane fighters, then I'm wasting a perfectly good fighter by attaching floats to it. Now, I understand why Australia and the Netherlands have developed them, to use from undeveloped islands in Indonesia - but I don't have that to factor in, particularly since I lack a long coastline and just have to operate on the Black Sea. I'll just earmark the fighters I buy for the Maritime Fighter Orlyak, and if I have to use them for, say, a war with Yugoslavia, then they'll be useful over there, too.

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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 7:51pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Brockpaine

Quoted

Originally posted by Desertfox
Why scrap the seaplane fighter requirement? Australia has a pair of nice designs and another one coming.

My current line of thinking is thus: if I buy seaplane fighters, then I'm wasting a perfectly good fighter by attaching floats to it. Now, I understand why Australia and the Netherlands have developed them, to use from undeveloped islands in Indonesia - but I don't have that to factor in, particularly since I lack a long coastline and just have to operate on the Black Sea. I'll just earmark the fighters I buy for the Maritime Fighter Orlyak, and if I have to use them for, say, a war with Yugoslavia, then they'll be useful over there, too.


Hence the reason Romania never went with a seaplane fighter, no real need. I'm surprised you didn't ask for some torpedo bombers though. Although the chance of Bulgaria facing superior numbers in the Black Sea is much less than Romania's considering your allied with a much stronger naval power than me.

War between the Yugos and the Bulgar's is Romania's worst nightmare, because then she has to figure out which aggreement she has to break, so let's play nice now :D .

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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 7:59pm

Quoted

War between the Yugos and the Bulgar's is Romania's worst nightmare, because then she has to figure out which aggreement she has to break,


Easy choice. Stay neutral, then attack both when they're weak. :D

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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 8:02pm

Quoted

Originally posted by TheCanadian
I'm surprised you didn't ask for some torpedo bombers though.


Actually, he did, in 1936.2.

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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 8:03pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Red Admiral

Quoted

War between the Yugos and the Bulgar's is Romania's worst nightmare, because then she has to figure out which aggreement she has to break,


Easy choice. Stay neutral, then attack both when they're weak. :D


Did that already, in 1913. Although I will admit it's tempting, so go declare war on each other, Romania will clean up the mess.

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Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 8:28pm

Quoted

Originally posted by TheCanadian
Hence the reason Romania never went with a seaplane fighter, no real need. I'm surprised you didn't ask for some torpedo bombers though. Although the chance of Bulgaria facing superior numbers in the Black Sea is much less than Romania's considering your allied with a much stronger naval power than me.

War between the Yugos and the Bulgar's is Romania's worst nightmare, because then she has to figure out which aggreement she has to break, so let's play nice now :D .

I already have some torpedo bombers being delivered, actually: in Q3 I bought 36 Atlantean Spartan SP-21As, capable of carrying both bombs and torpedoes. They'll be primarily bombers, but their capability for carrying torpedoes was one of the things I accounted for when selecting them.

Trust me, Bulgaria's not too hot on the idea of war with Yugoslavia either, not at the moment. For one thing, although the Army is being strengthened and modernized, it is overall a much less capable force than the Bulgarian armies which cut apart the Serbians at Slivnitsa and Kalimantsi, or stormed Romania's fortress "the second Verdun" of Tutrakan, or bloodied the British army at Lake Doiran. Second, Bulgaria has determined that any of the territorial adjustments it wants should be gained by political, not military means. Sure, Bulgaria would like to get back Thessaloniki and regain its lost territories in Thrace and Macedonia - but we're not going to start wars except to preempt an invasion. Following the return of southern Dobruja, Bulgaria will downrate Romania from a medium threat to a mild threat and attempt to make them an economic ally. Jugoslavia, though, is a different story.

If it hadn't been for Poland's obvious and ominous hand in Lithuania, I might have been tempted to ally myself with the PRJ when I took over Bulgaria, and act as the middleman between the PRJ and FAR. Bulgaria is chiefly interested in avoiding further disasters like the Second Balkans War and the Great War. Hence my policy goals:
- Don't take no guff from the neighbors.
- Build a strong and modern defense force.
- Make good foreign alliances to ensure friends in case of war.
- Be a valuable ally and, if possible, middleman.

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Wednesday, March 26th 2008, 4:29pm

Announcement of selected aircraft.

1936.1 - Army Recon
While the Fw-189 was tempting Bulgaria was more tempted by the possibilities to outfit the Fokker G.I as a fighter, bomber, recon, and ground-attack plane. 36 will be acquired starting January 1936 and extending to December '36.

1936.2 - Light Level-Bomber
Buying 48 Spartan Sp-21M Vanquish II medium bombers, starting in January 1936 and taking four deliveries per month until December 1936. The similarity of the Sp-21M to Bulgaria's existing Sp-21As was a defining factor in their purchase.

1936.3 - Seaplane Fighter redefined as Maritime Fighter
The requirement for floats was dropped and negotiations allowed Bulgaria to specify an armament of two MG131 13mm MGs and four MG17 7.92mm MGs for the Supermarine Spitfire. 36 aircraft will be purchased, with deliveries starting in April 1936 and extending to June. The Spitfires are being paid for by the Tsar and being gifted to the VNVV.

1936.4 - Spotter/Liaison
36 Fieseler Fi 156 Storch aircraft will be purchased in Q3/36.

1937.1 - Army Recon/Air Support
36 Fokker G.Is, probably of the B version, will be purchased starting in Q1/37 and extending to Q4/37.

1937.2 - Fighter-Interceptor
Bulgaria will be buying Fokker/Avia B.135s built at the DAR/Avia plant in Bulgaria. The VNVV wants to support the local manufacturer and have a steady supply of parts and aircraft in case of a war.

1937.3 - Line Bomber
The VNVV announces that no more bombers, particularly not heavy bombers, will be purchased at this time.

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Wednesday, March 26th 2008, 4:49pm

RE: Announcement of selected aircraft.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
1936.1 - Army Recon
While the Fw-189 was tempting Bulgaria was more tempted by the possibilities to outfit the Fokker G.I as a fighter, bomber, recon, and ground-attack plane. 36 will be acquired starting January 1936 and extending to December '36.


Certainly a more widely capable aircraft, though one that's MUCH more expensive and probably (due to it's higher speed) not as good a recon plane.

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1936.2 - Light Level-Bomber
Buying 48 Spartan Sp-21M Vanquish II medium bombers, starting in January 1936 and taking four deliveries per month until December 1936. The similarity of the Sp-21M to Bulgaria's existing Sp-21As was a defining factor in their purchase.


Makes sense.

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1936.3 - Seaplane Fighter redefined as Maritime Fighter
The requirement for floats was dropped and negotiations allowed Bulgaria to specify an armament of two MG131 13mm MGs and four MG17 7.92mm MGs for the Supermarine Spitfire. 36 aircraft will be purchased, with deliveries starting in April 1936 and extending to June. The Spitfires are being paid for by the Tsar and being gifted to the VNVV.


Might be a problem, since the MG-131 doesn't yet exist. Do you mean the MG-151 that the Bulgarian Bf-109s are using?

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1936.4 - Spotter/Liaison
36 Fieseler Fi 156 Storch aircraft will be purchased in Q3/36.

1937.1 - Army Recon/Air Support
36 Fokker G.Is, probably of the B version, will be purchased starting in Q1/37 and extending to Q4/37.

1937.2 - Fighter-Interceptor
Bulgaria will be buying Fokker/Avia B.135s built at the DAR/Avia plant in Bulgaria. The VNVV wants to support the local manufacturer and have a steady supply of parts and aircraft in case of a war.

1937.3 - Line Bomber
The VNVV announces that no more bombers, particularly not heavy bombers, will be purchased at this time.


Makes sense.