USS Constitution

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Not by any stretch of the imagination historical. An all-or-nothing, 30-knot, 12x14", 46kt American Standard "battlecruiser" based on the New Mexico-class.

"Connie" running trials in 1920.

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USS Constitution, United States Fully Armored Battlecruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
37,293 t light; 39,797 t standard; 45,900 t normal; 50,783 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(879.81 ft / 860.00 ft) x 104.00 ft x (33.00 / 35.75 ft)
(268.17 m / 262.13 m) x 31.70 m x (10.06 / 10.90 m)

Armament:
12 - 14.00" / 356 mm 50.0 cal guns - 1,452.45lbs / 658.82kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1916 Model
4 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
14 - 5.10" / 130 mm 45.0 cal guns - 66.89lbs / 30.34kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1916 Model
6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
1 x 2-gun mount on sides amidships
1 raised mount
24 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.97lbs / 0.89kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1916 Model
8 x Triple mounts on sides, evenly spread
20 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 4,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1916 Model
5 x 2 row quad mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 18,414 lbs / 8,353 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 559.00 ft / 170.38 m 12.24 ft / 3.73 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 15.0" / 381 mm 11.0" / 279 mm 12.0" / 305 mm
2nd: 4.00" / 102 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 2.50" / 64 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 4.00" / 102 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 14.00" / 356 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 152,035 shp / 113,418 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 10,986 tons

Complement:
1,567 - 2,038

Cost:
£6.540 million / $26.160 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,551 tons, 7.7 %
Armour: 10,853 tons, 23.6 %
- Belts: 3,448 tons, 7.5 %
- Armament: 3,679 tons, 8.0 %
- Armour Deck: 3,340 tons, 7.3 %
- Conning Tower: 387 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 5,664 tons, 12.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17,124 tons, 37.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8,607 tons, 18.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.2 %
- Hull above water: 50 tons
- On freeboard deck: 25 tons
- Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
57,963 lbs / 26,292 Kg = 42.2 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 4.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 6.5 ft / 2.0 m
Roll period: 17.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.74
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.544 / 0.556
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.27 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.33 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Aft deck: 25.00 %, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Quarter deck: 25.00 %, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Average freeboard: 21.55 ft / 6.57 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 173.6 %
Waterplane Area: 62,087 Square feet or 5,768 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 210 lbs/sq ft or 1,027 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.08
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

"Connie" anchored in Iceland in 1941. You can see her post-refit design.

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USS Constitution, United States Fully Armored Battlecruiser laid down 1916 (Engine 1935)

Displacement:
38,795 t light; 41,307 t standard; 45,900 t normal; 49,574 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(879.81 ft / 860.00 ft) x 104.00 ft x (33.00 / 35.07 ft)
(268.17 m / 262.13 m) x 31.70 m x (10.06 / 10.69 m)

Armament:
12 - 14.00" / 356 mm 50.0 cal guns - 1,452.45lbs / 658.82kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1916 Model
4 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 raised mounts - superfiring
14 - 5.10" / 130 mm 45.0 cal guns - 66.89lbs / 30.34kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1916 Model
6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
1 x 2-gun mount on sides amidships
1 raised mount
24 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.97lbs / 0.89kg shells, 2,000 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1916 Model
8 x Triple mounts on sides, evenly spread
20 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.25lbs / 0.11kg shells, 4,000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1916 Model
5 x 2 row quad mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 18,418 lbs / 8,354 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 559.00 ft / 170.38 m 12.24 ft / 3.73 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2.00" / 51 mm 559.00 ft / 170.38 m 30.20 ft / 9.20 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 12.0" / 305 mm 13.0" / 330 mm
2nd: 4.00" / 102 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 2.50" / 64 mm
4th: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 5.50" / 140 mm For and Aft decks

- Conning towers: Forward 14.00" / 356 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 152,035 shp / 113,418 Kw = 30.00 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 8,267 tons

Complement:
1,567 - 2,038

Cost:
£6.318 million / $25.274 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 3,552 tons, 7.7 %
Armour: 13,659 tons, 29.8 %
- Belts: 3,448 tons, 7.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,249 tons, 2.7 %
- Armament: 3,983 tons, 8.7 %
- Armour Deck: 4,592 tons, 10.0 %
- Conning Tower: 387 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 4,319 tons, 9.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17,116 tons, 37.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,105 tons, 15.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.3 %
- Hull above water: 75 tons
- On freeboard deck: 50 tons
- Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
65,021 lbs / 29,493 Kg = 47.4 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 9.7 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 6.3 ft / 1.9 m
Roll period: 17.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.73
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.13

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and a round stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.544 / 0.553
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.27 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.33 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 27.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Aft deck: 25.00 %, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m, 23.00 ft / 7.01 m
- Quarter deck: 25.00 %, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
- Average freeboard: 21.55 ft / 6.57 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 173.6 %
Waterplane Area: 62,087 Square feet or 5,768 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 210 lbs/sq ft or 1,027 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.04
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Both photos were modified by me, using photos of the USS New Mexico (first picture) and the USS Idaho (second picture).

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thesmilingassassin

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Thursday, February 14th 2008, 1:36am

Very nice pictures. How many photo manipulations have you done so far?

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ShinRa_Inc

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Thursday, February 14th 2008, 2:09am

Not to dampen your enthusiasm mate, but I think Warship Projects DB is a better place for pure 'own design' type stuff; I think this section is really meant for purely Wesworld related designs.

Why the odd 5.1" caliber secondaries? While the USN discussed a few intermediate calibers (5.4" as I recall), it was never seriously pursued. As this predates the Lexington/SoDak designs, I'd assume the standard 5"/51 secondaries, with 5"/25 AA guns, perhaps (when modernized), or an entirely 5"/38 gunset when modernized.

Likewise, the 1917 AA armament is extremely heavy

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Brockpaine

The Shadow

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Thursday, February 14th 2008, 2:33am

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
Very nice pictures. How many photo manipulations have you done so far?

Um... two successful ones.

I tried to turn HMS Exeter into a 6x12" super cruiser but that was full of fail.

As to her secondaries and AA... Sometimes I just type these things in and don't think about them. I probably meant to use the 5/51 and 5/25... and I had originally designed her with the 30s and 40s already in mind. Whups.

As for not being Wesworld related... hey, we have pirate aircraft carriers. After the Cleito Treaty made the ship illegal, a USN commander stole the ship along with the time-traveling mad scientist's lovely daughter who had the cloaking and wormhole device from the Philadelphia Experiment, and is using them on the lunar seas to fight gray aliens who enslaved the population of the Roanoke colony and uses them for... nevermind.

We should just stick with pirate aircraft carriers.

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ShinRa_Inc

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Thursday, February 14th 2008, 2:50am

err, actually...Deathshadow's a carrier now because Renown and Repulse caught up with her when she was a Light Cruiser and put a large hole in her stern

Ithreko actually does run a small pirate group, and I have my own raider in the Caribbean, come to think of it.

Deathshadow;

Black Pearl;

There were a couple of other conversions discussed between me and Ith, but since he made his choice public, I guess showing the alternates can't hurt;

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Brockpaine

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Thursday, February 14th 2008, 2:57am

Modern day Barbary pirates, eh? Or more privateers? Hmmmm...

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ShinRa_Inc

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Thursday, February 14th 2008, 3:06am

Cue Ith's spiel on Harlock and the Flag of Freedom... (:

Piracy involving rather complex, expensive, and ships built very much like warships is somewhat common in Wesworld, mostly because until recently, we didn't have much in the way of wars; fighting pirates became the main way of getting any conflict at sea going, I think.

Found the pic of my own pirate's ship, which I think only a handful have seen before, and put it up under Deathshadow.

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Brockpaine

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Thursday, February 14th 2008, 3:10am

Ah, the Black Pearl is yours? That's quite a fancy brick aft, there... I'd think they'd want the aft gun to be able to fire aft in case of a chase...

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ShinRa_Inc

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Thursday, February 14th 2008, 3:20am

Worse comes to worse, it's jettisonable.

The general mindset is, the ship isn't supposed to get into that kind of situation. The only real combat it should get into would be to slow down pursuers enough to allow it to escape.

Given that, having a hangar to keep the scout sheltered from the weather is considered worth having. And it's Galleon-y, arr.

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Ithekro

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Thursday, February 14th 2008, 3:30am

Wouldn't Constitution look just like Lexington and Saratoga? These were both finished in Wesworld as Battlecruisers (while Ranger and Constellation were converted to carriers)

As for the pirate rant (I'll skip it mostly)...Matsumoto pirates are not like real pirates. They are more fun to play if you like honorable characters. These follow there own rules and own code. There are three of them though one (the predreadnought Arcadia) was lost to Indian, Danish, and Chilean forces. A new Arcadia is supposedly being built. Deathshadow is the known "modern" pirate ship of the group, and has been rebuilt as a carrier to compliment the new Arcadia when it is finished. The support ship is still presently unknown to the world in general (though it should be fairly obvious to those that follow the Harlock series.) The group reportedly stole a destroyer or two and perhaps have other supply ships that support their efforts. Rumors of a sumbarine have been heard but never confirmed.

There base of operation is not known.

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Brockpaine

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Thursday, February 14th 2008, 3:35am

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Originally posted by Ithekro
Wouldn't Constitution look just like Lexington and Saratoga? These were both finished in Wesworld as Battlecruisers (while Ranger and Constellation were converted to carriers)

Lexington and Saratoga have the deck break after the D turret, and Connie has the deck break before - as per the New Mexicos I based her on.

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