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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 5:05pm

an interesting point

DF brought it up but I had another thought, what if Derfflinger hadnt bene fully scuttled.

Derfflinger original

SMS Derfflinger, Germany Battle Cruiser laid down 1912

Displacement:
23,974 t light; 24,976 t standard; 26,600 t normal; 27,899 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
689.00 ft / 689.00 ft x 95.00 ft x 31.50 ft (normal load)
210.01 m / 210.01 m x 28.96 m x 9.60 m

Armament:
8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.90" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.69lbs / 46.58kg shells, 1912 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
4 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1912 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 8,227 lbs / 3,732 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
4 - 23.5" / 596.9 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 447.85 ft / 136.50 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: 3.80" / 97 mm 241.13 ft / 73.50 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Upper: 5.40" / 137 mm 447.85 ft / 136.50 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.80" / 46 mm 447.85 ft / 136.50 m 25.90 ft / 7.89 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.6" / 269 mm 3.20" / 81 mm 10.4" / 264 mm
2nd: 5.90" / 150 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.15" / 55 mm, Conning tower: 11.80" / 300 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 70,579 shp / 52,652 Kw = 26.50 kts
Range 5,300nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,924 tons

Complement:
1,040 - 1,353

Cost:
£2.097 million / $8.388 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,028 tons, 3.9 %
Armour: 10,196 tons, 38.3 %
- Belts: 5,669 tons, 21.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 773 tons, 2.9 %
- Armament: 1,865 tons, 7.0 %
- Armour Deck: 1,663 tons, 6.3 %
- Conning Tower: 227 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 2,814 tons, 10.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,935 tons, 37.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,626 tons, 9.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
39,701 lbs / 18,008 Kg = 46.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 5.7 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 16.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.44

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.452
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.25 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28.00 ft / 8.53 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Mid (50 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Stern: 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Average freeboard: 20.42 ft / 6.22 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148.4 %
Waterplane Area: 41,804 Square feet or 3,884 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 163 lbs/sq ft or 797 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.44
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily



and Derfflinger refited


SMS Derfflinger, Germany Battle Cruiser laid down 1930

Displacement:
23,900 t light; 24,926 t standard; 26,600 t normal; 27,939 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
689.00 ft / 689.00 ft x 95.00 ft x 31.50 ft (normal load)
210.01 m / 210.01 m x 28.96 m x 9.60 m

Armament:
8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1930 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.90" / 150 mm guns (6x2 guns), 102.69lbs / 46.58kg shells, 1930 Model
Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
20 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (10x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1930 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 8,560 lbs / 3,883 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100
4 - 23.5" / 596.9 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 447.85 ft / 136.50 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: 3.80" / 97 mm 241.13 ft / 73.50 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Upper: 5.40" / 137 mm 447.85 ft / 136.50 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.80" / 46 mm 447.85 ft / 136.50 m 25.90 ft / 7.89 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.6" / 269 mm 3.20" / 81 mm 10.4" / 264 mm
2nd: 5.40" / 137 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 5.40" / 137 mm

- Armour deck: 2.15" / 55 mm, Conning tower: 11.80" / 300 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 70,579 shp / 52,652 Kw = 26.50 kts
Range 8,300nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,014 tons

Complement:
1,040 - 1,353

Cost:
£8.509 million / $34.036 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,070 tons, 4.0 %
Armour: 10,412 tons, 39.1 %
- Belts: 5,669 tons, 21.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 773 tons, 2.9 %
- Armament: 2,081 tons, 7.8 %
- Armour Deck: 1,663 tons, 6.3 %
- Conning Tower: 227 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 2,139 tons, 8.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,279 tons, 38.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,700 tons, 10.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
44,311 lbs / 20,099 Kg = 51.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 8.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 16.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.41

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.452
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.25 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.25 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28.00 ft / 8.53 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 24.00 ft / 7.32 m
- Mid (50 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Stern: 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
- Average freeboard: 20.42 ft / 6.22 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148.4 %
Waterplane Area: 41,804 Square feet or 3,884 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 169 lbs/sq ft or 824 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.48
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


as she is on the bottom of Scapa to my Knowlage it dosnt realy matter but it was just somthing I thought of

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 6:03pm

To do it correctly, you'd use the original design (the 1912 version) then use 1930 dates for those things that were replaced (ie, engines, some guns, etc).

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 6:09pm

And she was coal-fired originally

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 6:09pm

ya I had that pointed out to me just now on AIM LOL it was just a fast and dirty conversion to give a general idea what she might have looked like.

I can redo her right, but it was more of a whim as I see no way I would have her even if she hadn't sunk at Scapa. Odds are she would have bene british if left in service. Not to say I wouldnt love to have her (hell id love to have any cap ship atm) but im just trying to think realisticly. My best odds would have bene one or two Viribus Unitis (but the Italians sank the 2 I understand AH gave to Yugoslavia)

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Tanthalas" (Feb 13th 2008, 6:14pm)


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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 6:42pm

The South African Hertogs are based on Defflinger and they are still afloat (thought not for long :evil: ). They were on sale pre-war, and if they survive might be put on the auction block again.

SAE Capital Ships

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 6:42pm

I have been thinking about something similar, what if Yugoslavia had been able to keep the Viribus Unitis

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 6:51pm

My take on the Iron Dog, with a 1933 engine rebuild:

Quoted

SMS Derfflinger, Germany Battlecruiser laid down 1912 (Engine 1933)

Displacement:
24,089 t light; 25,319 t standard; 26,167 t normal; 26,846 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
690.29 ft / 690.29 ft x 95.14 ft x 30.18 ft (normal load)
210.40 m / 210.40 m x 29.00 m x 9.20 m

Armament:
8 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.67kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
4 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns in single mounts, 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1912 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 8,245 lbs / 3,740 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
5 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 448.69 ft / 136.76 m 11.71 ft / 3.57 m
Ends: 4.92" / 125 mm 241.58 ft / 73.63 m 11.71 ft / 3.57 m
Upper: 6.89" / 175 mm 448.69 ft / 136.76 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 9.84" / 250 mm 10.8" / 275 mm
2nd: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.54" / 90 mm -

- Armour deck: 5.51" / 140 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 65,223 shp / 48,656 Kw = 26.00 kts
Range 5,600nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,527 tons

Complement:
1,028 - 1,337

Cost:
£1.975 million / $7.899 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,031 tons, 3.9 %
Armour: 11,015 tons, 42.1 %
- Belts: 4,224 tons, 16.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 2,252 tons, 8.6 %
- Armour Deck: 4,315 tons, 16.5 %
- Conning Tower: 224 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1,900 tons, 7.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,093 tons, 38.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,078 tons, 7.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
45,649 lbs / 20,706 Kg = 52.7 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 17.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 63 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.36

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.462
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.26 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.27 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28.90 ft / 8.81 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 18.41 ft / 5.61 m
- Mid (50 %): 18.41 ft / 5.61 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 18.41 ft / 5.61 m
- Stern: 18.41 ft / 5.61 m
- Average freeboard: 19.25 ft / 5.87 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 55.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137.7 %
Waterplane Area: 42,314 Square feet or 3,931 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 168 lbs/sq ft or 820 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.36
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


I kept the same stats as the original and didn't push the design like I could have. You could probably paste a bunch of AA guns onto her and increase her armour substantially. I'm generally fine with her speed, myself...

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 7:03pm

Like I said mine was just fast and dirty (I made ALOT of mistakes)

I dont think having the Viribus Unitis realy would have matterd all that much OTL but id like to have it to mess around with refiting ^.^ (same reason im messing with Derfflinger entertainment value)

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 7:07pm

The torpedoes would probably be removed.

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 7:08pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Ithekro
The torpedoes would probably be removed.



I think your proly right.

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 7:16pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Tanthalas
Like I said mine was just fast and dirty (I made ALOT of mistakes)

I dont think having the Viribus Unitis realy would have matterd all that much OTL but id like to have it to mess around with refiting ^.^ (same reason im messing with Derfflinger entertainment value)


Perhaps not but it would make for an interesting story about the mid-30s upgrade and its attempt to reach Malta

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 7:30pm

Thats for sure man

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 7:37pm

Quoted

The South African Hertogs are based on Defflinger and they are still afloat (thought not for long :evil: ).

You're predicting that something like this will happen?

No doubt the Australians are up to no good. Probably trying to make sure that none of the Hertogs will survive the war. :)

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 8:31pm

would this be fairly accurate? for the original on them

Viribus Unitis, Austria/Hungary Battle Ship laid down 1912

Displacement:
18,462 t light; 19,536 t standard; 20,288 t normal; 20,889 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
501.50 ft / 501.50 ft x 89.70 ft x 28.70 ft (normal load)
152.86 m / 152.86 m x 27.34 m x 8.75 m

Armament:
12 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x3 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.90" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.69lbs / 46.58kg shells, 1912 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
18 - 2.60" / 66.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.77lbs / 3.98kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.17lbs / 1.44kg shells, 1912 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 11,765 lbs / 5,336 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 325.98 ft / 99.36 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: 6.00" / 152 mm 175.51 ft / 53.50 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Upper: 6.00" / 152 mm 325.98 ft / 99.36 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 11.0" / 279 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.40" / 36 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 25,092 shp / 18,719 Kw = 20.30 kts
Range 4,200nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,353 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
849 - 1,104

Cost:
£2.036 million / $8.142 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,471 tons, 7.2 %
Armour: 7,580 tons, 37.4 %
- Belts: 4,044 tons, 19.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 2,547 tons, 12.6 %
- Armour Deck: 813 tons, 4.0 %
- Conning Tower: 176 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1,101 tons, 5.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,311 tons, 41.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,826 tons, 9.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
25,868 lbs / 11,734 Kg = 29.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.00
Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
Roll period: 18.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.84
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.54

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.59 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.39 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Stern: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Average freeboard: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140.9 %
Waterplane Area: 31,394 Square feet or 2,917 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 185 lbs/sq ft or 903 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.91
- Longitudinal: 2.34
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 8:44pm

Check that stability number again - 1.00 is a bad stability to go for (I think 1.00 stability is actually verbotten in the Gentleman's Rules). My personal rule is that it must never dip below 1.10 for a capital ship or 1.05 for a lighter vessel. That also brings down your recoil effect. Still, it damages your steadiness and seaboat ratings, but at least the ship won't flip over the moment she ships a bit of water to one side. ;)

Quoted

Viribus Unitas, Austro-Hungarian Battleship laid down 1910

Displacement:
17,781 t light; 19,192 t standard; 20,000 t normal; 20,646 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
499.34 ft / 499.34 ft x 89.57 ft x 29.20 ft (normal load)
152.20 m / 152.20 m x 27.30 m x 8.90 m

Armament:
12 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x3 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.90" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.69lbs / 46.58kg shells, 1910 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
18 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 11,843 lbs / 5,372 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 324.57 ft / 98.93 m 11.36 ft / 3.46 m
Ends: 6.00" / 152 mm 174.75 ft / 53.26 m 11.36 ft / 3.46 m
Upper: 6.00" / 152 mm 324.57 ft / 98.93 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 7.00" / 178 mm 9.00" / 229 mm
2nd: 4.70" / 119 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 23,398 shp / 17,455 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 4,200nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,454 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
840 - 1,093

Cost:
£2.015 million / $8.059 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,480 tons, 7.4 %
Armour: 6,285 tons, 31.4 %
- Belts: 2,921 tons, 14.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 2,049 tons, 10.2 %
- Armour Deck: 1,140 tons, 5.7 %
- Conning Tower: 175 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 1,064 tons, 5.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,952 tons, 44.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,219 tons, 11.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
24,123 lbs / 10,942 Kg = 27.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 16.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.40

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.536
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.58 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.35 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 37
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -6.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 17.19 ft / 5.24 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 107.5 %
Waterplane Area: 30,807 Square feet or 2,862 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 207 lbs/sq ft or 1,012 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.06
- Longitudinal: 2.39
- Overall: 1.15
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 8:46pm

i personaly dont generaly go under a 1.10 but on this ship i decided to make an exception for historical reality purposes (come on one torp sunk her)

it actualy has no effect on her seaboat rating, damn flush deckers LOL

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Tanthalas" (Feb 13th 2008, 8:49pm)


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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 8:51pm

That was Szent Istvan that was sunk by torpedoes - Viribus Unitis was sunk by a limpet mine, because her crew abandoned ship rather than try to save her. :rolleyes:

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 8:55pm

ya but same class so meh i figured they should be low on that side ^.^

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 8:58pm

Well, what do you expect when blind men draw battleships?

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Wednesday, February 13th 2008, 9:03pm

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Well, what do you expect when blind men draw battleships?



hadnt considerd that was just trying to be 100% historicly accurate to her ya know.

personaly id have droped her a deck at midships.