Proposed Persian TO

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Vukovlad

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Thursday, January 24th 2008, 3:19am

Proposed Persian TO

Proposed Organization:

Infantry Squad:
9 Soldiers
1 NCO
1 LMG

Heavy Weapons Squad:
9 Soldiers
1 NCO
3 HMG

Infantry Platoon ( 1 Officer, 7 NCO, 42 Soldiers)

3 x Infantery Squads
1 x Heavy Weapons Squad
Staff: 1 Officer, 3 NCO, 6 Soldiers

Inantry Company ( 6 Officers, 33 NCO, 194 Soldiers)

4 x Infantry Platoon
Support Group
1 Officer, 1 NCO, 18 Soldiers
3 x 81mm Mtr
2 x HMG

Staff
2 Officers, 4 NCO, 8 Soldiiers

So, suggestions and comments (Higher formations to come)

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Thursday, January 24th 2008, 3:46am

Too heavy on MGs for the period. Most armies in the 1930s kept their tripod-mounted MGs at least as high as in a weapons company at battalion level (if not at regimental level). I'm assuming by HMG you mean tripod-mounted rifle caliber MG, not a .50 or other large-caliber MG, those are pretty rare at this time, used for AAA or ar AT weapons. LMGs are starting to become fairly common, but most armies field them at company level or 1-2 per platoon, only the most lavishly equipped armies are trying to field them at 1 per squad.

81mm mortars at company level is PROBABLY a little low, that's more the realm of the 50-60mm mortar. 81mm, in this period, is more a battalion weapon, again, than a company weapon.

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Vukovlad

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Thursday, January 24th 2008, 4:10am

I actually meant 12,7mm by HMG, rifle caliber being MMG.

I guess i will have to rethink the company structure since 50-60mm Mtr are practically worthless, rifle grenades instead?

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Thursday, January 24th 2008, 11:56am

If you were thinking 12.7mm at platoon level, that's WAY out of period (heck, it was never done even during WWII).

Rifle grenades (around 40mm in size) are an option, but not really a substitute for mortars. The 50-60mm mortars aren't useless, the 60mm size is still in service, and the British Army appears to still be using a 51mm weapon (due to be replaced by a 60mm weapon). They're just limited by a short range and small shell, which is OK, because it allows them to be easily carried (the WWII 2 inch mortar weighed 4.8 kg, with the non-illumination rounds weighing 1 kg each (the illumination rounds weighed 0.4 kg)).

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Vukovlad

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Thursday, January 24th 2008, 5:10pm

Hmm, must have been more damaged by Advanced Squad leader than I thought

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Thursday, January 24th 2008, 5:28pm

<chuckle> The US Army TO&E's never included 3 0.50s as part of a platoon's TO&E. They didn't even include 3 0.30s as part of a platoon's TO&E. BARs, yes, commonly 1 per squad, but they're automatic rifles, not really LMGs or MMGs. 8-20s (from my Squad Leader days) are good weapons, they're just not that common.

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Vukovlad

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Friday, January 25th 2008, 9:00pm

I still need to think about the regular forces but this is going to be the TO of the Household Companies based on KsTN 131g (the Coy)

Pushtighaban Company

4 officers
39 NCOs
266 Troopers

2 Staffcars/1t Trucks
30 Medium trucks ~3t
10 Heavy Trucks ~7t
6 Artillery Tractors
12 Motorcycles
2 MMG
22 LMG
2 Hvy Mtr
6 ATG

Pushtighaban Battalion (19 Officers, 164 NCO, 1073 Troopers)

Staff
3 Officers
8 NCOs
9 Troopers
2 Staffcars
3 Trucks
1 Radio Vehicle
4 Motorcycles

4 X Household Coy

Pushtighaban(152 Officers,1142 NCO 7150 Troopers)

Staff
8 Officers
20 NCOs
40 Troopers
4 Staffcars
12 Trucks
3 Radio Vehicle
6 Motorcycles

6 x Household Btn
6 x Household Batteries

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Vukovlad

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Friday, January 25th 2008, 9:23pm

Pushtighaban Artillery Battery

5 Officers
23 NCOs
112 Troopers

6 ~100mm FG/Hwz
2 Light AA Guns
28 Trucks
5 Motorcycles

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Vukovlad

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Sunday, January 27th 2008, 2:57am

Too Heavy?

This TO is theoretical as the equipment isn´t available yet

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Vukovlad" (Jan 27th 2008, 3:07am)

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Sunday, January 27th 2008, 4:26am

The infantry company is awfully heavy in manpower (companies over 160 are getting BIG), and having ATGs at the company level is far too low (at this point, if there are any, they'd be up at regimental level, at battalion level you might have ATRs). I wouldn't expect to see more LMGs than you have rifle squads, and that's at the top end (more likely would be 1 LMG per 2 squads, or a couple LMGs at company level). Mortars at company level would be small mortars, 81mm and up are battalion level weapons..

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Vukovlad

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Sunday, January 27th 2008, 4:29am

This is Imperial Household Troops not line troops

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Hrolf Hakonson

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Sunday, January 27th 2008, 12:03pm

Even so, 266 men are going to be VERY hard for only 4 officers to command. Platoons of more than 5 squads are very problematic, and companies of more than 5 platoons equally so. Even for a household company, I'd aim to keep the number of men under 200.

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Vukovlad

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Sunday, January 27th 2008, 5:16pm

Based on this horses and cycles replaced

http://chrito.users1.50megs.com/kstn/kstn131g4jan43.htm

BTW these are the ASL 5-4-8

Looks like I could use some German officers for training

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Vukovlad

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Sunday, February 24th 2008, 6:13pm

Major Units of the Future Persian Land Forces excluding the
Gendarmerie.

Pushtighaban (Royal Guard)

Zhayedan Corps, HQ Teheran
1 Gyanavspar (Armored) Division
2 Piroozetae (Mech) Divisions

I.Corps Iraqi Border
3 Daylami (Mot) Divisions

II.Corps Turkish/Azerbaijani Border
3 Kardakes (Mtn) Divisions

III. Corps Russian/Afghani Border
3 Kardakes (Mtn) Divisions

Mobilization Reserve
8-12 Infantry Divisions

The exact composition of the divisions is still being debated, the debate is mainly between those supporting a British and those supporting a German style organization.

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