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Grendel, Gothia Works Light Cruiser laid down 1935

Displacement:
6 943 t light; 7 244 t standard; 7 906 t normal; 8 436 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(540,36 ft / 521,65 ft) x 52,49 ft x (18,04 / 18,98 ft)
(164,70 m / 159,00 m) x 16,00 m x (5,50 / 5,79 m)

Armament:
9 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model
3 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 350 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
8 x Single mounts on sides amidships
12 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 2 000 per gun
Anti-air guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model
6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 1 263 lbs / 573 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2,00" / 51 mm 421,16 ft / 128,37 m 8,69 ft / 2,65 m
Ends: 1,00" / 25 mm 100,48 ft / 30,63 m 8,69 ft / 2,65 m
Upper: 1,00" / 25 mm 365,16 ft / 111,30 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 124 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,00" / 51 mm - 2,00" / 51 mm
3rd: 1,00" / 25 mm - 1,00" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 3,00" / 76 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 94 312 shp / 70 357 Kw = 34,00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 192 tons

Complement:
418 - 544

Cost:
£3,690 million / $14,760 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 278 tons, 3,5 %
Armour: 613 tons, 7,8 %
- Belts: 444 tons, 5,6 %
- Armament: 144 tons, 1,8 %
- Conning Tower: 26 tons, 0,3 %
Machinery: 2 679 tons, 33,9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 372 tons, 42,7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 963 tons, 12,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7 233 lbs / 3 281 Kg = 67,5 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,01
Metacentric height 1,9 ft / 0,6 m
Roll period: 15,8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,84
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,29

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,560 / 0,568
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,94 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,42 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 17,50 %, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Forward deck: 27,50 %, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Aft deck: 42,50 %, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Quarter deck: 12,50 %, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Average freeboard: 24,11 ft / 7,35 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123,2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 221,7 %
Waterplane Area: 19 769 Square feet or 1 837 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 92 lbs/sq ft or 449 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,88
- Longitudinal: 3,32
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

The higher the speed, the higher the freeboard you need for decent seakeeping.

And you've got plenty of hull strength to use on increased freeboard.

Some deck armor and a belt that covers the magazines and engines would be nice too.

Thanks for the tips, next question undergunned?

Armament seems ok, though given her limited size you may want to group the 4.1" guns in twin mounts to cut down on the crowding.

Grendel, Gothia Works Light Cruiser laid down 1935

Displacement:
6 938 t light; 7 244 t standard; 7 906 t normal; 8 436 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(540,36 ft / 521,65 ft) x 52,49 ft x (18,04 / 18,98 ft)
(164,70 m / 159,00 m) x 16,00 m x (5,50 / 5,79 m)

Armament:
9 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model
3 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 350 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
20 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 2 000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
10 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 1 267 lbs / 575 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2,00" / 51 mm 421,16 ft / 128,37 m 8,69 ft / 2,65 m
Ends: 1,00" / 25 mm 100,48 ft / 30,63 m 8,69 ft / 2,65 m
Upper: 1,00" / 25 mm 365,16 ft / 111,30 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 124 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,00" / 51 mm - 2,00" / 51 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 3,00" / 76 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 94 312 shp / 70 357 Kw = 34,00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 192 tons

Complement:
418 - 544

Cost:
£3,688 million / $14,754 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 269 tons, 3,4 %
Armour: 598 tons, 7,6 %
- Belts: 444 tons, 5,6 %
- Armament: 129 tons, 1,6 %
- Conning Tower: 26 tons, 0,3 %
Machinery: 2 679 tons, 33,9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 392 tons, 42,9 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 968 tons, 12,2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7 236 lbs / 3 282 Kg = 67,5 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,01
Metacentric height 2,0 ft / 0,6 m
Roll period: 15,8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 78 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,85
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,29

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,560 / 0,568
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,94 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,42 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 17,50 %, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Forward deck: 27,50 %, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Aft deck: 42,50 %, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Quarter deck: 12,50 %, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Average freeboard: 24,11 ft / 7,35 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123,2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 221,7 %
Waterplane Area: 19 769 Square feet or 1 837 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 92 lbs/sq ft or 451 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,88
- Longitudinal: 3,34
- Overall: 1,01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


And Variation B

Grendel B, Gothia Works Light Cruiser laid down 1935

Displacement:
8 831 t light; 9 254 t standard; 10 013 t normal; 10 620 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(605,97 ft / 587,27 ft) x 59,06 ft x (18,04 / 18,89 ft)
(184,70 m / 179,00 m) x 18,00 m x (5,50 / 5,76 m)

Armament:
6 - 7,99" / 203 mm 45,0 cal guns - 257,42lbs / 116,76kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model
3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 350 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
20 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 2 000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
10 x 2-gun mounts on sides amidships
Weight of broadside 1 982 lbs / 899 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2,00" / 51 mm 521,09 ft / 158,83 m 9,22 ft / 2,81 m
Ends: 1,00" / 25 mm 66,16 ft / 20,17 m 9,22 ft / 2,81 m
Upper: 1,00" / 25 mm 411,09 ft / 125,30 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 137 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,00" / 51 mm - 2,00" / 51 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 3,00" / 76 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 116 830 shp / 87 155 Kw = 35,00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 367 tons

Complement:
499 - 650

Cost:
£4,786 million / $19,145 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 416 tons, 4,2 %
Armour: 708 tons, 7,1 %
- Belts: 534 tons, 5,3 %
- Armament: 144 tons, 1,4 %
- Conning Tower: 30 tons, 0,3 %
Machinery: 3 319 tons, 33,1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 388 tons, 43,8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 182 tons, 11,8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9 283 lbs / 4 211 Kg = 36,4 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,06
Metacentric height 2,5 ft / 0,8 m
Roll period: 15,6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,78
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,17

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,560 / 0,567
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,94 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25,91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 17,50 %, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Forward deck: 27,50 %, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Aft deck: 42,50 %, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Quarter deck: 12,50 %, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Average freeboard: 24,11 ft / 7,35 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123,8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 235,2 %
Waterplane Area: 25 038 Square feet or 2 326 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 106 lbs/sq ft or 518 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,93
- Longitudinal: 2,34
- Overall: 1,02
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform



Both are undergunned according to SS

That's just because the composite hull strength is 1.02. If you got it down to 1.00 by using miscellaneous weight, it wouldn't complain.

Thanks

I can't see any deck armour at the moment.

They seem to be good ships, but sacrifice a lot of armour for their high speed. It just depends whether or you think the trade-off is worth it.

There is no deck armor, is it worth to put deck armor on non capital ships?

Generally, yes, a cruiser may well receive a deck hit just like a capital ship. They generally have thinner deck armor than capital ships, just as they have thinner belt armor, but their armor is sized for the expected threat.

Grendel B, Gothia Works Light Cruiser laid down 1935

Displacement:
8 831 t light; 9 254 t standard; 10 013 t normal; 10 620 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(605,97 ft / 587,27 ft) x 59,06 ft x (18,04 / 18,89 ft)
(184,70 m / 179,00 m) x 18,00 m x (5,50 / 5,76 m)

Armament:
6 - 8,00" / 203 mm 45,0 cal guns - 258,18lbs / 117,11kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model
3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 350 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
20 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 2 000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
10 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 1 986 lbs / 901 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3,50" / 89 mm 521,09 ft / 158,83 m 9,22 ft / 2,81 m
Ends: 2,00" / 51 mm 66,16 ft / 20,17 m 9,22 ft / 2,81 m
Upper: 1,00" / 25 mm 411,09 ft / 125,30 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 137 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,00" / 51 mm - 2,00" / 51 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks: 1,20" / 30 mm For and Aft decks
Forecastle: 1,25" / 32 mm Quarter deck: 1,00" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 3,00" / 76 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 91 886 shp / 68 547 Kw = 33,00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 367 tons

Complement:
499 - 650

Cost:
£4,283 million / $17,133 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 417 tons, 4,2 %
Armour: 1 569 tons, 15,7 %
- Belts: 840 tons, 8,4 %
- Armament: 144 tons, 1,4 %
- Armour Deck: 555 tons, 5,5 %
- Conning Tower: 30 tons, 0,3 %
Machinery: 2 610 tons, 26,1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 234 tons, 42,3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 182 tons, 11,8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13 723 lbs / 6 225 Kg = 53,6 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,04
Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m
Roll period: 15,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 82 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,88
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,37

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,560 / 0,567
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,94 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25,91 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 17,50 %, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Forward deck: 27,50 %, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Aft deck: 42,50 %, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m
- Quarter deck: 12,50 %, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m
- Average freeboard: 24,11 ft / 7,35 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101,2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 235,2 %
Waterplane Area: 25 038 Square feet or 2 326 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 501 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,91
- Longitudinal: 2,28
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


Speed Lowered to 33kts, icreased main and deck armor.

A nice design with little to complain about. Most interesting attribute probably is her high BC - given size and speed.

BC?

Sorry.

Block Ceofficient

just a tiny detail now, and that's the trade off between gunnery steadiness and stability. I'd adjust the trim enough to put the steadiness at 70%, enough to the the "stable gun platform" rating, and then leave it. That way she'll be more able to absorb damage than she is now, while still being a good gunnery platform.

Steadiness is at 70%.

Who makes all the nice ship profiles posted here?

You mean drawings? There are several of us who do our own drawings.

Yes I meant drawings

For the most part, we all make/edit our own.

If you're looking to comission someone to do one for you, I'd reccomend talking to Seawolf over at Warship Projects;
http://www.phpbbplanet.com/forum/index.p…warshipprojects

Check the "Own Designs" section.

Thanks for the pointer, has he/she done drawings for others?