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You´ve not yet checked out the encyclopedia sections of this site here, have you?

If you do you´ll notice who´s doing drawings and for whom seawolf has already created some nice stuff.

I checked the Encyclopedia, I just failed to notice who made the pics

If someone could make a Profile of the Grendel B (future Tabriz) I would be most grateful

Extremely quick and crude side view using bits from my other ships. Looking at it, it is probably a bad idea to use the superstructure of the Yukino. The way you set the freeboard gives you a questionable looking hull (actually I'd call it ugly).
To create something more acceptable to the eyes, I would need some more time.

The hull maybe ugly but it aint expected pageants, could you skip the casemates and catapult?

If it's for Persia, I would say the looks are about right. Also if Persian I would suggest adding a few 50mm AA guns and 24" torpedoes.

Shoot! I overlooked the fact that the ship has no torpedoes! ^_^;;


Yukino superstructure (Takao)


Inverse superstructure (Agano)

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If it's for Persia, I would say the looks are about right.

You think that, if it is for Persia, the hull would need a different colour?

TTabriz v.2, Persia Light Cruiser laid down 1935

Displacement:
8 818 t light; 9 254 t standard; 10 013 t normal; 10 620 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(596,23 ft / 587,27 ft) x 59,06 ft x (18,04 / 18,91 ft)
(181,73 m / 179,00 m) x 18,00 m x (5,50 / 5,77 m)

Armament:
6 - 7,99" / 203 mm 45,0 cal guns - 257,42lbs / 116,76kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model
3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 350 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
20 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 2 000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
10 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 1 982 lbs / 899 kg
12 - 23,6" / 600 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,653 t each, 19,838 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2,56" / 65 mm 462,03 ft / 140,83 m 9,22 ft / 2,81 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 1,00" / 25 mm 411,09 ft / 125,30 m 8,00 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 121 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 1,77" / 45 mm

- Box over machinery & magazines: 0,79" / 20 mm
Forecastle: 0,59" / 15 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 2,17" / 55 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 112 324 shp / 83 794 Kw = 34,00 kts
Range 3 000nm at 20,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 367 tons

Complement:
499 - 650

Cost:
£4,693 million / $18,770 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 436 tons, 4,4 %
- Guns: 416 tons, 4,2 %
- Torpedoes: 20 tons, 0,2 %
Armour: 1 214 tons, 12,1 %
- Belts: 569 tons, 5,7 %
- Armament: 128 tons, 1,3 %
- Armour Deck: 495 tons, 4,9 %
- Conning Tower: 22 tons, 0,2 %
Machinery: 3 191 tons, 31,9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 984 tons, 39,8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 195 tons, 11,9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9 304 lbs / 4 220 Kg = 36,4 x 8,0 " / 203 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
Metacentric height 2,8 ft / 0,8 m
Roll period: 14,9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,64
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,10

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,560 / 0,567
Length to Beam Ratio: 9,94 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24,23 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 17,50 %, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Forward deck: 27,50 %, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m
- Aft deck: 42,50 %, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Quarter deck: 12,50 %, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m, 21,33 ft / 6,50 m
- Average freeboard: 22,18 ft / 6,76 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 119,7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 201,5 %
Waterplane Area: 24 432 Square feet or 2 270 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 504 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,94
- Longitudinal: 1,77
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

I try not to remark on design aspects of SATSUMA vessels, except helpful comments like "needs remote control scuttling charges", but I am not seeing deck armor on this ship. Good for me, bad for you.

Also- no barbette armor on the main battery.
The secondary battery could probably use mount& hoists and armor,
the tertiary battery in turrets is interesting, but probably not needed for twin 25mm

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Also- no barbette armor on the main battery

Actually it has. The '-' between both 2 inch values means no 'other gunhouse' armor.

New version

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Originally posted by Rooijen10

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Also- no barbette armor on the main battery

Actually it has. The '-' between both 2 inch values means no 'other gunhouse' armor.

heh I was reading that as a spacing element.
So gun shield, barbette armor, but otherwise exposed.

Very odd: one strafing run by a biplane and the gunners on the 8" mounts could be dead.... Or one nearby hit by a 4" HE round, and the same thing happens.

Center-mounted torpedo tubes are probably not a real option on a ship this big: while 24" torpedoes are big, they're not THAT big.

Why don´t the mines show under armament?

I don't know that Ian's finished with the mines section for SS3, that's probably why they're not showing up.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
I don't know that Ian's finished with the mines section for SS3, that's probably why they're not showing up.

I thought Wesworld was still using the SS2 standard.

We are, as far as I know. Once SS3 is fully complete we can make the switch.

Not a light cruiser more a show the flag trade war ship

Zulfiqar, Persia Raider laid down 1935

Displacement:
18 673 t light; 20 051 t standard; 23 223 t normal; 25 760 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(832,45 ft / 820,21 ft) x 91,86 ft x (19,69 / 21,38 ft)
(253,73 m / 250,00 m) x 28,00 m x (6,00 / 6,52 m)

Armament:
9 - 10,00" / 254 mm 45,0 cal guns - 504,26lbs / 228,73kg shells, 300 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model
3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
14 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 450 per gun
Dual purpose guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1935 Model
7 x Twin mounts on sides amidships
24 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 2 000 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1935 Model
6 x Quad mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 5 049 lbs / 2 290 kg
12 - 23,6" / 600 mm, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m torpedoes - 1,653 t each, 19,838 t total
In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7,48" / 190 mm 506,89 ft / 154,50 m 10,66 ft / 3,25 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 2,36" / 60 mm 539,70 ft / 164,50 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 95 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2,36" / 60 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 1,18" / 30 mm
2nd: 0,79" / 20 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 0,79" / 20 mm

- Box over machinery & magazines: 1,57" / 40 mm
Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0,98" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 1,97" / 50 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 3 shafts, 149 875 shp / 111 807 Kw = 33,00 kts
Range 10 000nm at 18,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 5 709 tons

Complement:
939 - 1 222

Cost:
£8,772 million / $35,090 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1 439 tons, 6,2 %
- Guns: 1 419 tons, 6,1 %
- Torpedoes: 20 tons, 0,1 %
Armour: 2 731 tons, 11,8 %
- Belts: 2 122 tons, 9,1 %
- Armament: 310 tons, 1,3 %
- Armour Deck: 264 tons, 1,1 %
- Conning Tower: 35 tons, 0,1 %
Machinery: 4 258 tons, 18,3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10 245 tons, 44,1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4 550 tons, 19,6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
43 675 lbs / 19 811 Kg = 87,4 x 10,0 " / 254 mm shells or 3,5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
Metacentric height 5,3 ft / 1,6 m
Roll period: 16,7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 95 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,59
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,36

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
a normal bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,548 / 0,560
Length to Beam Ratio: 8,93 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28,64 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 25,00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 15,00 %, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Forward deck: 25,00 %, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Aft deck: 45,00 %, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m, 29,53 ft / 9,00 m
- Quarter deck: 15,00 %, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m
- Average freeboard: 28,54 ft / 8,70 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81,3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 311,9 %
Waterplane Area: 52 486 Square feet or 4 876 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 147 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 148 lbs/sq ft or 722 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0,98
- Longitudinal: 1,31
- Overall: 1,00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily