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Allahabad Class Destroyers, India Destroyer laid down 1935

Allahabad, D-67, laid down 1935
Bhandara, D-68, laid down 1935

Similar to the class before, only a little bit faster. Two planned for 1935 with six more on future plans.

Displacement:
1,670 t light; 1,742 t standard; 2,016 t normal; 2,235 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
401.03 ft / 378.94 ft x 34.78 ft x 13.39 ft (normal load)
122.23 m / 115.50 m x 10.60 m x 4.08 m

Armament:
6 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns (3x2 guns), 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
8 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.31lbs / 0.59kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (2x4 guns), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1935 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 369 lbs / 167 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.7" / 550 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 37,545 shp / 28,009 Kw = 33.70 kts
Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 494 tons

Complement:
149 - 195

Cost:
£1.151 million / $4.605 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 46 tons, 2.3 %
Armour: 18 tons, 0.9 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 18 tons, 0.9 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 921 tons, 45.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 627 tons, 31.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 346 tons, 17.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 58 tons, 2.9 %
15 t: Sonar
-10 t: DC racks
-16 t: 4 DCT + charges
-17 t: Weight reserve

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
578 lbs / 262 Kg = 9.7 x 4.9 " / 125 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
Metacentric height 1.3 ft / 0.4 m
Roll period: 12.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.63
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.400
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.90 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.90 ft / 8.20 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.03 ft / 5.80 m
- Mid (50 %): 11.15 ft / 3.40 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 11.15 ft / 3.40 m
- Stern: 11.15 ft / 3.40 m
- Average freeboard: 14.54 ft / 4.43 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 168.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 77.5 %
Waterplane Area: 8,419 Square feet or 782 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 78 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 39 lbs/sq ft or 190 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.53
- Longitudinal: 1.63
- Overall: 0.60
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped

It won't make any difference to the design, but you'd want geared turbines, not direct-drive turbines for the engines. Also, I don't think you need hoists on the 35mm mountings.

Sri Lanka, India Armored Cruiser laid down 1936

Sri Lanka AC-1, laid down 1936
Maharashtra AC-2, laid down 1936

Displacement:
23,096 t light; 24,298 t standard; 26,297 t normal; 27,897 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
752.15 ft / 731.63 ft x 82.02 ft x 27.89 ft (normal load)
229.25 m / 223.00 m x 25.00 m x 8.50 m

Armament:
8 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (2x4 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.68kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns (4x2 guns), 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 4.92" / 125 mm guns (4x2 guns), 59.59lbs / 27.03kg shells, 1936 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
16 - 1.38" / 35.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.31lbs / 0.59kg shells, 1936 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1936 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 7,902 lbs / 3,584 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.8" / 300 mm 472.44 ft / 144.00 m 10.86 ft / 3.31 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.57" / 40 mm 472.44 ft / 144.00 m 25.59 ft / 7.80 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 7.87" / 200 mm 11.8" / 300 mm
2nd: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 1.18" / 30 mm
3rd: 1.18" / 30 mm - -
4th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
5th: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

- Armour deck: 3.94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 13.78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 127,824 shp / 95,357 Kw = 32.03 kts
Range 15,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,598 tons

Complement:
1,032 - 1,342

Cost:
£10.927 million / $43.709 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 988 tons, 3.8 %
Armour: 8,127 tons, 30.9 %
- Belts: 2,557 tons, 9.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 704 tons, 2.7 %
- Armament: 1,428 tons, 5.4 %
- Armour Deck: 3,176 tons, 12.1 %
- Conning Tower: 263 tons, 1.0 %
Machinery: 3,631 tons, 13.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,200 tons, 38.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,201 tons, 12.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
37,747 lbs / 17,122 Kg = 43.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 16.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.67
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.92 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.97 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.86 ft / 9.10 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.31 ft / 6.80 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.31 ft / 6.80 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 22.31 ft / 6.80 m
- Stern: 22.31 ft / 6.80 m
- Average freeboard: 22.91 ft / 6.98 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 179.5 %
Waterplane Area: 43,600 Square feet or 4,051 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 158 lbs/sq ft or 770 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.34
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent


OOC: Pretty much I was told the projected Indian Armored cruisers were going to be similar to the Peruvian light battleships except for the weapons. I could be wrong in my understanding of the Doctor's vision of how the ships were supposed to be. This is just a "maybe" entry. Heavier than the Peruvian ships due to the heavier Indian secondary weapons,forcing then to make the ship slightly longer than the Peruvian ship.

You do realise she will need type 4 slips and drydocks because of only 10 feet!!!!

I'd cut her back, it'll make it easier to look after her!

I'm sure the Dutch will love the idea of these two ships running around in their shipping lanes.

Fortunately the Splendid Cats can deal with these ships, but it might push Australia to build another pair of Cats.

When I was tinkering with the idea, it was more along the lines of carrier escort and anti-Italian supercruiser functions.

It's more or less what I had in mind. Just wasn't necessarily going to build them and rebuild the Akbars.

They look....Swiss...?

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
I'm sure the Dutch will love the idea of these two ships running around in their shipping lanes.

They are pretty much within the forecast expectations.
Problematic, sure, which is why it was forecast

I do note he forgot the 10ts each for remote controlled scuttling charges.

I'd just build one, bigger one with a pair of turrets like the Akabars, effectively a lengthened version.

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Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
When I was tinkering with the idea, it was more along the lines of carrier escort and anti-Italian supercruiser functions.

I'm not sure that they have a large enough margin of superiority really. Building a faster Akbar with a bit less armour might be a better bet.

I've always liked the idea of an Akbar with a third quad turret and abit more speed. I don't think Kirk would though!

The Indian Guru has spoken. I guess the Armored Cruisers could wait until 1938 after the rebuilding of the Akbars. I guess a better way to spend the money will be my building that fourth carrier.

The guru merely offered insight into his own thinking; he did not dictate to the young tiger.

Out of curiosity what kind of refit did you invision for the Akbars oh great Guru?

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
Out of curiosity what kind of refit did you invision for the Akbars oh great Guru?

The refits are already posted on the capital ship entry of the Indian Encyclopedia.

The young tiger beats the old guru to the punch...

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Originally posted by thesmilingassassin
I've always liked the idea of an Akbar with a third quad turret and abit more speed. I don't think Kirk would though!

Oddly, you would be correct...
Personally I'd like the Akbars with a third quad turret and a filipino in the magazine...


Question -Shouldn't the 4cm decapping plate cover the same area as the main belt?

OOC: Based in an idea by the old Guru. Feel free to disect.

Jaipur, India Light cruiser laid down 1919 (Engine 1928 )

Displacement:
4,567 t light; 4,670 t standard; 5,161 t normal; 5,553 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
500.00 ft / 500.00 ft x 49.87 ft x 15.09 ft (normal load)
152.40 m / 152.40 m x 15.20 m x 4.60 m

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.95" / 75 mm 377.30 ft / 115.00 m 8.46 ft / 2.58 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 116 % of normal length

- Armour deck: 1.38" / 35 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 40,179 shp / 29,973 Kw = 29.02 kts
Range 9,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 883 tons

Complement:
303 - 395

Cost:
£0.731 million / $2.923 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Armour: 818 tons, 15.9 %
- Belts: 383 tons, 7.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armour Deck: 416 tons, 8.1 %
- Conning Tower: 19 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,251 tons, 24.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,798 tons, 34.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 594 tons, 11.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 700 tons, 13.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
7,020 lbs / 3,184 Kg = 65.0 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 14.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.24

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.480
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.03 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.61 ft / 7.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 15.65 ft / 4.77 m
- Mid (50 %): 15.65 ft / 4.77 m
- Quarterdeck (10 %): 15.65 ft / 4.77 m
- Stern: 15.65 ft / 4.77 m
- Average freeboard: 16.37 ft / 4.99 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 160.5 %
Waterplane Area: 16,318 Square feet or 1,516 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 128 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 70 lbs/sq ft or 342 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.17
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

All weapons and aircrafts removed. Replaced with two different weapons systems based in the use of rockets. The first one is the use of rockets for ASW warfare. This barrage system composed of eight rails will be located in both aft and forward sections of the ship. Rockets with a 170mm warhead will be tested.

The second system will be the use of rockets for support of landing detachments. Rails for multiple barrage launches will be located where the aircraft facilities used to be located . Rockets with 125mm warheads will be used. They will be stored in the old hangars with the old aircraft fuel facilites also being used. Cranes will be kept to help with loading.

Considering the flack RA got for trying to introduce a 'hedgehog' advance on his ASW mortars, I'm a bit skeptical. I think that was only a couple years ago game time.

As for rockets in general, I thought they were mainly a German/Russian development, but that was in the real world, India is advanced here- and I may have missed backstory foundations for this weapon and tactical advance.