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The Phillipines was another possible sale for the He-112T, certainly...... Heinkel's hoping to get it sold to the Luftwaffe if and when the Kriegsmarine builds a real carrier, but that may or may not happen.

Mexico can offer the B-1 Condor and B-7 Coyote for A-106.

Specs Here

An improved C-5 Aguila might meet A-101 but that would not be available for export. Yes Im willing to sell planes to Iberia, better for Mexico to know the exact specs of what the potential enemy flies!

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The in-line engine may be a concern, though.

Why? Its powerful and reliable.

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The iberian teams are impressed by the published performances of the aircraft, but is a bit worried about the high rated power of the engine causing low reliability or underperforming.

The Isotta-Fraschini W1518 has a good 12 years of solid design history behind it where it has found a number of applications ranging from MAS boats, to aircraft and now to AFVs. It has gained an excellent reputation for reliability. This latest series for the newer generation of aircraft features a considerable re-design, increasing the engine speed and some changes to the cooling system and supercharger. BMEP is around the same as the Pegasus/Perseus.

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Comment: the radical concept of the J.10bis is seen with a bit of caution between the iberian air ranks who were expecting a more conventional setup of twin wing-mounted engines. However the specs of the plane are generally liked.

It seems to have worked reasonably well so far starting in Italian service.

Iberia thanks the Mexican for participating, and notes both entries into the A.106 spec. competition.

Comments:
-B-6 too slow and too short of a range. Also lacks the required weaponry and seems it has no armor either.

-B-1 also seem to lack armor and the defensive weapons offer a limited arc of firing. Fixed forward weapons also under the requirements (but we guess it won't be difficult to put a further couple MGs there). Speed just on the minimum acceptable Very good bomb loadout and range, tho...is a better option than the B-6 but doesn't stand much of a chance to win the contract, seeing the quality of the contenders.

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Originally posted by Red Admiral
Why? Its powerful and reliable.
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The Isotta-Fraschini W1518 has a good 12 years of solid design history behind it where it has found a number of applications ranging from MAS boats, to aircraft and now to AFVs. It has gained an excellent reputation for reliability. This latest series for the newer generation of aircraft features a considerable re-design, increasing the engine speed and some changes to the cooling system and supercharger. BMEP is around the same as the Pegasus/Perseus.

Still 2200hp are so much that its understandable that it's seen with a bit of scepticism in the iberian staff. I'm not saying that it is not reliable, I'm saying that the staff has its doubts until they see the engine running tests...

it's a formidable engine, no doubt about it . I know it, as a player, you know it as a player and as a customer too...but I don't know it yet as a customer and such a high perforance engine raises so much desire to have one, as much as concerns about the engine reliability when run at full power.

Just trying to react with credibility, nothing else.

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It seems to have worked reasonably well so far starting in Italian service.

Many very promising planes in history have been rejected because of them being radical, even while they were better than the conventional options.

I'm "simming" a conservative-minded reaction here. The Iberians look for advanced planes...but this one is maybe too much advanced for the iberian confort .

It may still win, I'll decide on sunday between the contenders . And even if it doesn't win Iberia might buy a couple planes to try and test them...maybe meaning a future purchase. We'll see

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Still 2200hp are so much that its understandable that it's seen with a bit of scepticism in the iberian staff.

Its also massive, having 57L displacement and weighing 1200kg.

Since Fyrwulf seems to be AWOL again, if I may slip my Brazilian hat back on for just a moment...

Specification A.104


Sienar Fleet Systems tenders its V-19. It notes that it is one fixed .30 short* and the bombload is only 500lb, but it meets all other specification.

(* It's also one fixed .30 ahead of the historical Brewster SBA/NAF SBN it otherwise matches. )

-Iberia notes and thanks Brazil's entry for A.104 specification.
Comments: meritorious design, but bombload is found lacking for the specification.


PD and OOC: BTW Swamphy can you tell me if Fyrwulf is likely to go to the Havana conference?...he's the only one who still has to confirm assistance...

The Iberian Air Staff and Foreign Ministry thanks all the nations who have submitted their products for this competition. Many planes have been offered, and all of them are to a bigger or lesser degree, liked by the staff.


The Iberian Air Staff, declares the following aircraft as winners:

SPECIFICATION A.101. Fighter for the Iberian Air Corps.

WINNER: Italian Fiat CR.35
Runner up: German He.112

Comments:

-The He.112 was very liked for some of the members in the air staff. It has been a very though decision, but the winner was decided to be the very satisying CR.35

- the Iberian Air Staff however grants Heinkel a limited order of 32 planes (no licence needed)




SPECIFICATION A.102. Fighter for the Iberian Navy's Air Corps.

WINNER: Italian Reggiane Re.2002 Falco
Runner up: german He112T.

Comments:

-Almost unanimous voting here. The Re.2002 offers better performance and can carry both attack and fighter tasks. The He112T was also liked but the Falco simply shined in this category.



SPECIFICATION A.103. Torpedo-Bomber for the Iberian Navy's Air Corps.

WINNER: Dutch Fokker T.VI
Runner up: Italian Breda Ba.67 Occhione.

Comments:

-The Occhione is a better all around plane but it was declared the winner of the A.104 specification (listed below). The Iberian Air Corps finds, however, the T.VI very satisfying and, as the objective of this competition is to bring several different models to Iberia to get experience from building and operating them, finds that it's better to give A.103 and A.104 specification winners to two different planes instead of one.



SPECIFICATION A-104: Dive-bomber for the Iberian Navy's Air Corps.

WINNER: Italian Breda Ba.67 Occhione
Runner up: Hypotetical navalized version of the Atlantic A-10

Comments:
-Unanimous decision here. The A-10 was an interesting design to navalize but the Ba-67 offers such an outstanding performance that since it entered the competition there was little doubt about the winner.



SPECIFICATION: A-105 Destroyer/fighter bomber for the Iberian Air Corps:

WINNER: German Fw-187I
Runner up: Italian Magni-Jona J.10bis

Comments:
-Very tough decision again, many deliberations and debates went on about this specification's winner. The J.10bis was loved by its performance but the pusher-puller configuration was looked with a bit of concern.
In the end it has been decided to go with the also great performer, but more conventional, Fw187I for this specification.

-However, and like in the 101 specification, Iberia also grants Magni-Jona a limited order for 16 J.10Bis to test the pusher-puller prop arrangement under operational conditions. A bigger order may follow if the model is found satisfactory.

-Finally the dutch G-IA model also receives an order for 8 planes, for the Iberians want to also test the concept of twin boom aircrafts.



SPECIFICATION: A.106 Medium Bomber for the Iberian Air Corps:

WINNNER: German Dornier Do.17P
Runner up: German Heinkel He-111B

-Comments: the Do-17 was unanimously voted as the winner given that no other model presented fullfitted the specifications.

-The He111B received some attention in virtue of its bigger bombload and adaptability to naval torpedo strike configuration, but its slow speed was a heavy burden to overcome.



The Iberian Air Staff again wants to thank all those firms who attended this competition, winners or not.

Dornier is happy with the outcome of the competition. 1 design submitted, 1 category won.

Heinkel is philosphical: the He-112 came up against designs by an Iberian ally, and the He-111 has other prospects.

Atlantic will have to start looking at navalizing their planes.

Koolhoven is thinking they should have submitted the F.K.58 design (which I doubt would have even placed 8p ).

Fokker's pleased with the T.VI order, as they believe in thier plane, but a little disappointed the Do17 beat the T.VII, which seemed easily modifiable to meet all the specs. However, they (optimistically) expect the G-1D will prove itself in Iberian service and future orders there.

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Fokker's pleased with the T.VI order, as they believe in thier plane, but a little disappointed the Do17 beat the T.VII, which seemed easily modifiable to meet all the specs.

OOC: Armor and weapons could easily be placed on the model, but here the differences on crew numbers weighed heavily. It's three vs six.

With the expansion of the air force numbers Iberia is planning to do, the less crew intensive the model is, the much easier and faster it is to bring to operational levels. That's the main reasoning on why the Dornier was picked over the dutch heavy bomber. Which, BTW is a pretty nice plane for it's duty (or so it seems looking at its specs)

Ahh- it was the piece about no other model meeting specs, as I thought it did. The crew bit is perfectly understandable, and the Do17 is good.