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Reply French Auxiliaries
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Here are 3 ship designs to support the operations of the French fleet. They are a collier, a minesweeper, and a patrol/escort corvette.
The Atlantic Fleet is supported by 6 Colliers, the Pacific Fleet has 2, the Mediterranian Fleet has 2, and the Indian Ocean Flotilla has 1.
The Atlantic Fleet has 4 Minesweeper Flotillas of 8 ships each, at Brest, La Rochelle, Abidjan, and Ceyenne. The Mediterranian Fleet has Minesweeper Flotillas at Toulon, Tunis, and Beiruit, and Half-Flotillas at Oran and Corsica. The Indian Ocean Flotilla has Half-Flotillas at Djibuti and Crozet Island, and the Pacific Fleet has Flotillas at Saigon and New Caledonia.
The Atlantic Fleet has 2 Flotillas of 12 Corvettes, the Mediterranian Fleet 1 Corvette Flotilla, and the Pacific Fleet 1 Corvette Flotilla.

French Collier, laid down 1912

Length, 160.0 m x Beam, 22.0 m x Depth, 6.0 m
12776 tonnes normal displacement (11486 tonnes standard)

Main battery: 2 x 0.8-cm

Weight of broadside: 0 kg

7600 tons cargo, 8882 GRT

Hull unarmored

Maximum speed for 5958 shaft kw = 16.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 10000 nm / 10 knots

Typical complement: 120-156


Estimated cost, $1.768 million (£442,000)

Remarks:

Excellent seaboat; comfortable and able to fight her guns
in the heaviest weather.

Magazines and engineering spaces are roomy, with superior
watertight subdivision.

Ship is roomy, with superior accommodation and working space.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Machinery ........................ 350 tonnes = 3 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 3281 tonnes = 26 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 1545 tonnes = 12 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 7600 tonnes = 59 pct
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12776 tonnes = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 1.0 m

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 11231 tonnes
Standard displacement: 11486 tonnes
Normal service: 12776 tonnes
Full load: 13757 tonnes

Loading submergence 2520 tonnes/metre

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.05

Shellfire needed to sink: 7951 kg = 1305982.7 x 0.8-cm shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 2.5
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 50 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.00

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.56

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.60
Sharpness coefficient: 0.40
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 6.87
'Natural speed' for length = 22.9 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 30 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 74 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 140 percent


Displacement factor: 154 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.02
(Structure weight per square
metre of hull surface: 427 kg)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1.03
(for 5.00 m average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +0.15 m)

Relative composite hull strength: 1.02

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[Machine-readable parameters: Spring Style v. 1.2.1]

524.80 x 72.16 x 19.68; 16.40 -- Dimensions
0.60 -- Block coefficient
1912 -- Year laid down
16.00 / 10000 / 10.00; Turbine, coal fired -- Speed / radius / cruise
7600 tons -- Miscellaneous weights
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2 x 0.30; 0 -- Main battery; turrets
Central positioning of guns
:
0 -- No secondary battery
0 -- No tertiary (QF/AA) battery
0 -- No fourth (light) battery
0 -- No torpedo armament
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0.00 -- No belt armor
0.00 / 0.00 -- Deck / CT
0.00 -- No battery armor


(Note: For portability, values are stored in Anglo-American units)


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French Minesweeper, laid down 1914

Length, 55.0 m x Beam, 7.0 m x Depth, 2.0 m
466 tonnes normal displacement (399 tonnes standard)

Main battery: 3 x 7.5-cm
Secondary battery: 4 x 3.7-cm
AA battery: 4 x 1.3-cm

Weight of broadside: 20 kg

50 tons minesweeping equipment

Hull unarmored

Maximum speed for 3173 shaft kw = 21.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 4000 nm / 10 knots

Typical complement: 50-65


Estimated cost, $221,000 (£55,000)

Remarks:

Caution: Hull structure is subject to strain in open-sea
conditions.

Ship has slow, easy roll; a good, steady gun platform.

Good seaboat; rides out heavy weather easily.

Magazines and engineering spaces are cramped, with poor
watertight subdivision.

Roomy upper decks; superior accommodation and working space.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 6 tonnes = 1 pct
Machinery ........................ 180 tonnes = 39 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 150 tonnes = 32 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 80 tonnes = 17 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 50 tonnes = 11 pct
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466 tonnes = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 0.2 m

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 386 tonnes
Standard displacement: 399 tonnes
Normal service: 466 tonnes
Full load: 517 tonnes

Loading submergence 276 tonnes/metre

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.18

Shellfire needed to sink: 135 kg = 23.2 x 7.5-cm shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 0.2
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 70 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.18

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.33

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.60
Sharpness coefficient: 0.39
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 7.11
'Natural speed' for length = 13.4 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 68 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 146 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 128 percent


Displacement factor: 102 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.72
(Structure weight per square
metre of hull surface: 142 kg)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 2.66
(for 3.50 m average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +1.00 m)

Relative composite hull strength: 0.82

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[Machine-readable parameters: Spring Style v. 1.2.1]

180.40 x 22.96 x 6.56; 11.48 -- Dimensions
0.60 -- Block coefficient
1914 -- Year laid down
21.00 / 4000 / 10.00; Turbine, coal fired -- Speed / radius / cruise
50 tons -- Miscellaneous weights
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3 x 2.95; 0 -- Main battery; turrets
Central positioning of guns
:
4 x 1.46; 0 -- Secondary battery; turrets
:
4 x 0.51 -- Tertiary (QF/AA) battery
:
0 -- No fourth (light) battery
0 -- No torpedo armament
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0.00 -- No belt armor
0.00 / 0.00 -- Deck / CT
0.00 -- No battery armor


(Note: For portability, values are stored in Anglo-American units)


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French Corvette, laid down 1916

Length, 58.0 m x Beam, 7.0 m x Depth, 2.2 m
450 tonnes normal displacement (406 tonnes standard)

Main battery: 1 x 10.0-cm
Secondary battery: 2 x 7.5-cm
AA battery: 2 x 3.7-cm
Light battery: 2 x 1.3-cm

Weight of broadside: 27 kg

2 TT, 45.0 cm

30 tons depth charges/mines

Hull unarmored

Maximum speed for 5964 shaft kw = 25.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 3000 nm / 10 knots

Typical complement: 49-64


Estimated cost, $324,000 (£81,000)

Remarks:

Caution: Hull structure is subject to strain in open-sea
conditions.

Ship has slow, easy roll; a good, steady gun platform.

Good seaboat; rides out heavy weather easily.

Magazines and engineering spaces are cramped, with poor
watertight subdivision.


Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:

Armament ......................... 7 tonnes = 2 pct
Machinery ........................ 210 tonnes = 47 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 145 tonnes = 32 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 58 tonnes = 13 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 30 tonnes = 7 pct
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450 tonnes = 100 pct

Estimated metacentric height, 0.2 m

Displacement summary:

Light ship: 393 tonnes
Standard displacement: 406 tonnes
Normal service: 450 tonnes
Full load: 483 tonnes

Loading submergence 257 tonnes/metre

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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:

Relative margin of stability: 1.13

Shellfire needed to sink: 81 kg = 5.8 x 10.0-cm shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)

Torpedoes needed to sink: 0.2
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)

Relative steadiness as gun platform, 70 percent
(50 percent is 'average')

Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.27

Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.21

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Hull form characteristics:

Block coefficient: 0.50
Sharpness coefficient: 0.35
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 7.58
'Natural speed' for length = 13.8 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 72 percent


Estimated hull characteristics and strength:

Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 171 percent

Relative accommodation and working space: 105 percent


Displacement factor: 60 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)


Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0.58
(Structure weight per square
metre of hull surface: 132 kg)

Relative longitudinal hull strength: 2.84
(for 3.85 m average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment +1.37 m)

Relative composite hull strength: 0.68

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[Machine-readable parameters: Spring Style v. 1.2.1]

190.24 x 22.96 x 7.22; 12.63 -- Dimensions
0.50 -- Block coefficient
1916 -- Year laid down
25.00 / 3000 / 10.00; Turbine, coal fired -- Speed / radius / cruise
30 tons -- Miscellaneous weights
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1 x 3.94; 0 -- Main battery; turrets
Central positioning of guns
:
2 x 2.95; 0 -- Secondary battery; turrets
:
2 x 1.46 -- Tertiary (QF/AA) battery
:
2 x 0.51 -- Fourth (light) battery
2 / 0 / 17.72 -- TT / submerged / size
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0.00 -- No belt armor
0.00 / 0.00 -- Deck / CT
0.00 -- No battery armor


(Note: For portability, values are stored in Anglo-American units)


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Edited by: AdmKuznetsov at: 4/28/03 11:19:33 am

AdmKuznetsov
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Posts: 33
(4/30/03 9:30:00 am)
Reply Re: French Auxiliaries
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The globe-spanning French fleet has a requirement for yet another auxiliary, the Vesuvius Class Ammunition Ship. It can be identified by the respectful distance granted it both in Fleet Formation and in port:

Vesuvius Class Ammunition Ship, laid down 1912
Length, 90.0 m x Beam, 17.0 m x Depth, 5.0 m
5399 tonnes normal displacement (4794 tonnes standard)
Main battery: 2 x 0.7-cm
Weight of broadside: 0 kg
Hull unarmored
Cargo - 3,100 tons - 3590 GRT
Maximum speed for 4189 shaft kw = 16.00 knots
Approximate cruising radius, 8000 nm / 10 knots
Typical complement: 315-409

Estimated cost, $794,000 (£198,000)
Remarks:
Excellent seaboat; comfortable and able to fight her guns
in the heaviest weather.
Magazines and engineering spaces are roomy, with superior
watertight subdivision.

Distribution of weights:
Percent
normal
displacement:
Machinery ........................ 246 tonnes = 5 pct
Hull and fittings; equipment ..... 1340 tonnes = 25 pct
Fuel, ammunition, stores ......... 713 tonnes = 13 pct
Miscellaneous weights ............ 3100 tonnes = 57 pct
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5399 tonnes = 100 pct
Estimated metacentric height, 0.7 m
Displacement summary:
Light ship: 4686 tonnes
Standard displacement: 4794 tonnes
Normal service: 5399 tonnes
Full load: 5861 tonnes
Loading submergence 1215 tonnes/metre
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Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Relative margin of stability: 1.04
Shellfire needed to sink: 3057 kg = 642540.3 x 0.7-cm shells
(Approximates weight of penetrating
shell hits needed to sink ship,
not counting critical hits)
Torpedoes needed to sink: 1.5
(Approximates number of 'typical'
torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
Relative steadiness as gun platform, 47 percent
(50 percent is 'average')
Relative rocking effect from firing to beam, 0.00
Relative quality as a seaboat: 1.50
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Hull form characteristics:
Block coefficient: 0.70
Sharpness coefficient: 0.48
Hull speed coefficient 'M' = 5.14
'Natural speed' for length = 17.2 knots
Power going to wave formation
at top speed: 51 percent

Estimated hull characteristics and strength:
Relative underwater volume absorbed by
magazines and engineering spaces: 78 percent
Relative accommodation and working space: 103 percent

Displacement factor: 150 percent
(Displacement relative to loading factors)

Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 1.09
(Structure weight per square
metre of hull surface: 364 kg)
Relative longitudinal hull strength: 2.11
(for 4.00 m average freeboard;
freeboard adjustment -0.08 m)
Relative composite hull strength: 1.16
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[Machine-readable parameters: Spring Style v. 1.2.1]
295.20 x 55.76 x 16.40; 13.12 -- Dimensions
0.70 -- Block coefficient
1912 -- Year laid down
16.00 / 8000 / 10.00; Turbine, coal fired -- Speed / radius / cruise
3100 tons -- Miscellaneous weights
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2 x 0.28; 0 -- Main battery; turrets
Central positioning of guns
:
0 -- No secondary battery
0 -- No tertiary (QF/AA) battery
0 -- No fourth (light) battery
0 -- No torpedo armament
++++++++++
0.00 -- No belt armor
0.00 / 0.00 -- Deck / CT
0.00 -- No battery armor

(Note: For portability, values are stored in Anglo-American units)

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Edited by: AdmKuznetsov at: 4/30/03 9:30:55 am

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(4/30/03 10:06:38 am)
Reply Re: French Auxiliaries
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"It can be identified by the respectful distance granted it both in Fleet Formation and in port:"

*rofl*

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Rooijen10
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(4/30/03 10:08:50 am)
Reply Re: French Auxiliaries
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I was curious if you keep an eye on your nation's mine and DC inventory so you know the number of mines and depthcharges your ships can carry.

Walter

AdmKuznetsov
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(4/30/03 10:30:23 am)
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I was curious if you keep an eye on your nation's mine and DC inventory so you know the number of mines and depthcharges your ships can carry.
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I don't know about <that>, but Russian mines weigh in at around a 600-1000 kg each, and depth charges at about 200kg, plus the weight of the apparattus to deploy them. Warships1.com dosen't have information on French mine/ASW weapons for this time, so I'll have the French licence-build and modify the Russian variety (in return for Russia getting a licence for French aircraft engines). That should give a general idea about how many of each these ships can carry and use. Historically, the Soviet Union had some 12,000 of the 1908-1912 vintage mine in 1941. And the Russians have always been big on mine warfare...

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