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Thanks to Walter for the sim.

The Vespas are nice ships but they just aren't spectacular enough and don't have the visual impact. So Sir Murdoch is looking for a new flagship for his lines, one that will take all the Ribons offered. So for the new ship Murdoch returned to the standard Liner conifiguration with floatplane facilities, plus as much HP as it can fit.

If you have a ship over 35kts please advice.

Colonel Sandurz Mk. II, Australia Passenger Floatplane Carrier laid down 1933

Displacement:
24,458 t light; 25,084 t standard; 31,320 t normal; 36,309 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
773.78 ft / 750.00 ft x 90.00 ft x 28.00 ft (normal load)
235.85 m / 228.60 m x 27.43 m x 8.53 m

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 254,846 shp / 190,115 Kw = 37.00 kts
Range 18,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 11,225 tons

Complement:
1,176 - 1,530

Cost:
£8.961 million / $35.844 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 0 tons, 0.0%
Machinery: 7,426 tons, 23.7%
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,832 tons, 31.4%
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6,862 tons, 21.9%
Miscellaneous weights: 7,200 tons, 23.0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
38,907 lbs / 17,648 Kg = 360.2 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
Roll period: 17.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.580
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.33 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.43 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 36.00 ft / 10.97 m
- Forecastle (20%): 35.00 ft / 10.67 m
- Mid (65%): 35.00 ft / 10.67 m (27.00 ft / 8.23 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15%): 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Stern: 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Average freeboard: 32.28 ft / 9.84 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.2%
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 266.0%
Waterplane Area: 50,477 Square feet or 4,689 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 142%
Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 606 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.87
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

How is it economical to run compared to other liners? If you want to get somewhere fast, you fly.

Given Mr. Murdoch's previous "Civilian" aircraft carriers I wouldn't be surprised if that 7000tons misc. weight wasn't for hidden mines/torpedoes/15" guns etc.

Quite. I can't see the point in this sort of ship, given that there are already more airships than historical, the heyday of the great flying boats is now upon us, and Luft Hansa will probably inaugurate non-stop air service from Berlin to New York in 1935 (using Fw-200 Condors).

This is part of Japan's evil plan to make Australia waste valuable resources and money on this vessel.

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Actually I created this sim during the previous talks as a legal alternative to the Australian mail carrier. Unfortunately, the KFC file (yes, I really called it KFC) got lost for a while...

A great deal of snickering can be heard from Belfast :B

While Airships are more mainstream than historical, I doubt they've made that much of a dent in the Liner market, plus I doubt they'll be able to cater to the super rich customers who want to ship their car overseas with them, for example. Airships also aren't cheap enough for the average immigrant and middle class passengers I'd think, as well.

And Transatlantic by airplane took a long time to take root as the dominant means of travel for several reasons, Hrolf; It'll take a long time to convince people to stuff themselves into one of those bouncy-around flying sardine cans.

But while your ship may take a few ribbons for publicity's sake, note that your ship's cruising speed is 18 knots, and that's what it's designed to make it's crossings at. If you intend for cruising at higher speeds on a regular basis, you might wanna adjust that.

So you'll have a crew of 1200-1500 to make the ship go, plus a bunch more to keep the passengers fed/clean/entertained, plus buy 10,000 tons of fuel oil per trip.

And you'll have, maybe, 1,000 paying customers to spread the operating cost among. And that dosen't even touch the acquisition cost.

And as for Ribands, SS Marianne, capable of 36kts for 5000nm, and carrying more than twice as many paying customers, will give Mr Murdoch a run for his dwindling money.

One word, Prestige...

Actually I saw the name decided I needed the ship and asked for "Lucridous Speed!!!", is not there yet but at least it's capable of 'Ridiculous speed'!

It's going to take jets particularly the Pan Am 707s to knock out the ocean liners. And at 25,000 tons Colonel Sandurz is cheap compared to other liners floating around.

The Mail Carriers are as Civilian as they come. Being carriers doesn't automaticlly make them military despite all arguments to the contrary. This is just another liner with a secondary AMC role as just about all other Commonwealth liners.

36kts? Walter I'll definately need 'Ludicrous speed!'

There's an economics of scale at work with Liners, DFox. It's cheaper to build and operate one liner that carries 4000 passangers than it is to operate two liners carrying 2000 each.

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And at 25,000 tons Colonel Sandurz is cheap compared to other liners.

Not per passenger. Colonel Sandurz costs almost $36 million and may accomodate 7200 tons of passenger accomodations, or $5 million per 1000 tons. Marianne costs almost $59 million and carries 16,000 tons of passenger accomodations, or $3.7 million per 1000 tons.

So the French liner will be winning Ribands and making money, while Sandurz will be bankrupting Mr. Murdoch.