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Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 8:54am

Please note I´ve opened you a forum in the encyclopedia section for Bulgaria. YOu can post your technical stuff there once things are sorted out.

Please note that the encyclopedia section is not there for discussion. Use the Ship design or other boards for that purpose.

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Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 12:59pm

Treaties

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Technically I am in violation of the Treaty of Neuilly.


We can fix this at the San Fransisco Conference, I suppose.

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Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 1:58pm

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Originally posted by JeffreyF
Hmm have to think, not really fitting exactly what I was envisioning.


How so? So far they meet the MTB, 40 knots sprint and 21" torpedo's. If your looking for a larger boat Atlantis uses an Argentinian design, the 611 type, but shes much slower.

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Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 2:08pm

RE: Treaties

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Originally posted by AdmKuznetsov

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Technically I am in violation of the Treaty of Neuilly.


We can fix this at the San Fransisco Conference, I suppose.


I'd guess it must have been dealt with earlier, since no one raised an issue (or mentioned this treaty) when Germany announced the intention to sell Helgoland to Bulgaria. Not to mention that the WW Treaty was apparently less strict than historical, given the older vessels that Bulgaria retained after the Great War (and Sofia, which I'm not sure when they acquired).

JeffreyF

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45

Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 2:22pm

In reading "In the Skies of Europe" by Hans Werner Neulen it seems by the mid-30s the treaty was being openly ignored. With secret re-armament going on from 1923. The state aircraft factory DAR was back in operation and another aircraft factory had been opened by a Czech firm Aero in the 1920s. Would Red Admiral know if Caproni would have followed history and purchased the latter aircraft factory to form Kaproni Bulgaria? Mostly produced a handful examples of the Ca.11x planes.

46

Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 3:14pm

DId a little looking: looks like the Sofia was acquired in 1924 from the Phillipines. So clearly either the Treaty was in abeyance at that point, or it was not as strict as historical.

JeffreyF

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47

Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 3:18pm

Yes I think Tsar Boris III was alarmed at how industrially capable Greece suddenly became and decided the treaty was null and void if wanted to be able to defend the country. :P

48

Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 4:50pm

Would this suit Bulgarian needs?

1933 Filipino V-121 class Coastal Motor Boat
(based on Japanese 1931 MTB)
Displacement: 40 tons
Length: 80 feet
Beam: 23 feet
Draft: 5 feet
Speed: 41 knots
Armament: Four 21" torpedoes, one 35mm gun, 2x2 13.7mm MG, 1x2 7.7mm MG + personal weapons of the crew
Complement: 17
3 4M2500 12-cylinder KHI gasoline engines; 1,200 hp

49

Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 5:18pm

Australia can offer the following:

RAN MTB-1

Length: 72'
Beam: 15'
Draft: 4'
Engine: 4200 hp
speed 42 kts
Range: 470 nm at 20kts
Crew: 12
Displacement: 50t
Armament: 4 x 18"TT, 1x20mm, 2x50cal MG, 6 DC

RAN MGB-1

Similar except for following:
Armament: 1x57mm, 2x20mm, 4x50cal MG, 6 DC

RAN MGB-2

Similar except for following:
Armament: 2 x 18"TT, 1x40mm, 2x20mm, 4x50cal MG, 6 DC

RAN MTBF-1 (Flagship)

Length: 79'
Beam: 15.9'
Draft: 4.5'
Engine: 4500 hp
speed 42 kts
Range: 590 nm at 19kts
Crew: 15
Displacement: 59t
Armament: 2 x 18"TT, 1x40mm, 1x20mm, 2x50cal MG
Flag facilities

RAN MGBF-1 (Flagship)

Similar except for following:
Armament: 1x57mm (or 2x40mm), 2x20mm, 4x50cal MG
Flag facilities

JeffreyF

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Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 5:39pm

I will get back on MTB stuff in a bit. The cost is tonnage + % for person making it and then if I want to license a design in the future I trade IP or tonnage for such?

I am trying to work out a plausible back story. Which means I will probably be PMing a couple of you in the near future. This organization thing is tricky given my background the first step is looking up the word in the dictionary to make sure I understand the concept. :P

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Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 5:42pm

Cost of licenses depend on the licensor: some countries charge a percentage, others charge a flat fee, etc. All depends on who's doing the licensing. Payment is arranged in either IPs or tons, depending on what you have and what the licensor wants.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Hrolf Hakonson" (Jun 13th 2007, 5:43pm)


52

Wednesday, June 13th 2007, 6:29pm

Italian MAS are in this. Everything is for sale apart from the experimental hydrofoils.

I'd say its given that the Neuilly treaty has been dropped by now. It gives Bulgaria more room.

53

Thursday, June 14th 2007, 3:20am

The Philippines is willing to sell its offered MTBs at a mere 2.5% markup.

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Thursday, June 14th 2007, 4:10am

The standard Atlantean markup is roughly 4.5%, meaning the 46 ton MTB-82 type costs 48 tons per unit or 480 tons for 10 units. The MTB-82 type design also benifits from experience gained from the preveous CMB and MTB-1 type vessels, incorperating improved hull strengthening and hydrodynamics.

The newer MTB-202 design would be more expensive, 5% markup on 50 tons or 52.5 tons per unit/525 tons for 10 units.
Availablity may be an issue as it is a new design currently being gobbled up by the Atlantean navy.

MTB-202 class

Demensions: 80.'3"x20',7"x5'
displacement: 50 tons
Armament: 2x20mm, 4x0.50 cal mg (2x2), 4x21"TT or 10 D.C.or 2x21" TT and 8 D.C.
Machinery: 3x 1500 hp Roth-Packard liquid cooled engines, Fuel capacity: 3000 gallons of Avgas
Speed: 44 knots
Cruising radius: 550 miles @ max speed or 6 hours cruise, 12 hours at 23 knots
Crew: 17

JeffreyF

Unregistered

55

Friday, June 15th 2007, 9:37pm

Ok last set of questions I hope. :D

Infrastructure changes for Bulgaria = No

I start in Q4?

Standart News - Oct 1st, 1934

Today Prime Minister Georgiev declared the economic crisis well on it's way to being over. Since taking over government from former Prime Minister's Mushanov's corrupt government was deposed in May sweeping reforms have gone into effect attracting companies back into the nation and raising employment. Thanks to the bold leadership by our new government in ridding us in the plague that were the political parties plaguing our nation we can now concentrate on rebuilding our military and ensuring we are not left naked against the martial ambitions of our neighbors.

This has already started with the expansion of the Army factory at Kazanlak to produce modern weapons for our army. The government is looking to invest in purchasing foreign equipment and send engineers abroad to develop a working knowledge base and gain licenses to begin our own development of military equipment.

We are still awaiting to hear word from Vrana Palace and wonder why the Tsar has not moved back into Sofia from the summer residence to be with his people to celebrate this joyous occasion. We have heard that he will be heading to the navy yards to view our workers as they begin construction of the torpedo boats Letyashti and Bditelni.

Bulgarian Naval Developments - Q4/34

A. Industrial Allocation

Factory Allocation:

Warship Material Produced: 3000 t
Stockpile: 0

Material Used on Construction: 592.2 t
New Stockpile: 2407.8 t

B. Infrastructure Development

None

C. Naval Development and Construction

at Varna:
Type 1 slip - BNS Letyashti(T-1 class Torpedo boat) 296.1t
Type 1 slip - BNS Bditelni(T-1 class Torpedo boat) 296.1t
1 Type 0 slip - Idle
1 Type 2 drydock - Idle
1 Type 1 drydock - Idle
at Burgas:
1 Type 0 slip - Idle
1 Type 0 slip - Idle
1 Type 0 drydock - Idle

D. Transactions

TBD

E. Other Notes

Ships laid down this quarter: TB Letyashti and TB Bditelni

F. Scrappage Report

none

G. Updated Order of Battle, 30 September 1934

PD 1(0)+0 Predread
DN 1(0)+0 Dreadnought
CL 2(0)+0
TB 6(0)+0