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Yes, that's right. Nine battleships, five aircraft carriers.

[SIZE=5]THE BRITISH EMPIRE: Q1/1934 REPORT[/SIZE]

[SIZE=4] A. Industrial Output [/SIZE]

50 Factories:
Fixed IP: 5
Flexible IP: 0
Ship Tonnage: 45

[SIZE=4] B. Transfers and Acquisitions [/SIZE]

0.5 IP to Canada

[SIZE=4] C. Unit Relocations [/SIZE]

HMS P1, HMS P2, HMS P3, HMS P4, HMS P5, HMS P6, HMS P7, HMS P8, HMS P9 and HMS P10 completed and working up as of 13 January 1934.
HMS Ben Laoigh and HMS Sgurr Dhomhnuill attached to 13th Sloop Flotilla as of 20 January 1934.
HMS P11, HMS P12, HMS P13, HMS P14, HMS P15, HMS P16, HMS P17, HMS P18, HMS P19 and HMS P20 completed and working up as of 14 March 1934.
HMS Escapade, HMS Escort, HMS Esk and HMS Express attached to 17th Destroyer Flotilla as of 24 March 1934.
HMS Whiteside, HMS Nethermost Pike, HMS Garnedd Ugain, HMS Slieve Donard, HMS Skiddaw and HMS Bidean nan Bian completed and working up as of 27 March 1934.

19th Light Cruiser Squadron deployed to Gibraltar with effect 30 January 1934.
2nd Battle Squadron, 1st Light Cruiser Squadron, 18th Light Cruiser Squadron, 15th Destroyer Flotilla and 17th Destroyer Flotilla deployed to Malta with effect 2 February 1934.
16th Light Cruiser Squadron deployed to Bermuda as of 3 February 1934.
10th Sloop Flotilla deployed to Bermuda with effect 5 February 1934.
Fast Battle Squadron, Fast Carrier Squadron, 14th Destroyer Flotilla deployed to Jamaica with effect 6 February 1934
11th Sloop Flotilla deployed to Namibia with effect 15 February 1934.

[SIZE=4] D. Navy Program [/SIZE]

Resources Allocated: 42,000 tons
Previous Surplus: 21,216 tons
Unused Scrap: 0t
Construction Requirements (See Appendix A): 51,927 tons
Total surplus: 14,289 tons
Scrap Available: 0t

[SIZE=4] E. Infrastructure Program [/SIZE]

Resources Allocated: 0 IP
Previous Surplus: 0 IP
Resources Used: 0 IP
Carry-over: 0 IP

[SIZE=4] F. Summary Order Of Battle at End of Quarter [/SIZE]

Note: Y) +Z = completed/in service (under repair/refit/rebuild) + under construction.

Battleships: 12 + 9
Battlecruisers: 3 + 0
Aircraft Carriers: 3 + 5
Large Monitors: 5 + 0
Class A Cruisers: 12 + 0
Class B Cruisers: 74 + 12
Class A Destroyers 8 + 0
Class B Destroyers: 172 + 0
Class A Submarines: 37 + 0
Class B Submarines: 56 + 20
Escorts: 30 + 6
Torpedo Boats: 15 + 0
Small Monitors: 15 + 0
Large River Gunboats: 12 + 0
Small River Gunboats: 16 + 0
DE  40 to 70

Antarctic Research Vessels: 2 + 0

[SIZE=4] G. Miscellaneous Works [/SIZE]

Forty Vickers-Armstrong 16.5/45 guns and twenty twin mounts ordered, first to be completed 10 July 1934 and following mounts at 1 per month until 19 March 1936. 3,000 tons of material provided for work this quarter.

[SIZE=5]APPENDIX A: DETAILED SHIPBUILDING REPORT[/SIZE]

Specifying only slips and docks currently in use. All not mentioned are assumed to be empty.

[SIZE=4]Home Stations: [/SIZE]

Armstrong:

S-4a:
HMS Valiant  Victorious Class battleship
Laid Down 1 January 1934
Launched: 20 July 1935
2,340 tons this quarter for 2,340 tons
Completion due 13 November 1937

S-4b:
HMS Venerable  Victorious Class battleship
Laid Down 1 January 1934
Launched: 20 July 1935
2,340 tons this quarter for 2,340 tons
Completion due 13 November 1937

S-3a:
HMS Kenya  K Class light cruiser
Laid Down: 1 January 1933
Launched: 18 July 1933
1,353 tons this quarter for 6,765 tons total
Completion due 12 May 1934

HMS Leander  L Class light cruiser
Laid Down: 1 January 1934
Launched: 18 January 1934
1,380 tons this quarter for 1,380 tons total
Completion due 11 May 1935

S-3b:
HMS Kelly  K Class light cruiser
Laid Down: 1 January 1933
Launched: 18 July 1933
1,353 tons this quarter for 6,765 tons total
Completion due 12 May 1934

HMS Largs  L Class light cruiser
Laid Down: 1 January 1934
Launched: 18 January 1934
1,380 tons this quarter for 1,380 tons total
Completion due 11 May 1935

S-3c:
HMS Kingfisher  K Class light cruiser
Laid Down: 1 January 1933
Launched: 18 July 1933
1,353 tons this quarter for 6,765 tons total
Completion due 12 May 1934

HMS Leviathan  L Class light cruiser
Laid Down: 1 January 1934
Launched: 18 January 1934
1,380 tons this quarter for 1,380 tons total
Completion due 11 May 1935

S-1a:
HMS Nethermost Pike  Mountain class escort
Laid Down: 30 July 1933
Launched: 3 November 1933
62 tons this quarter for 1,347 tons total
Completion due 27 March 1934

HMS Aran Fawddwy  Mountain class escort
Laid Down: 15 December 1933
Launched: 21 March 1934
134 tons this quarter for 134 tons total
Completion due 12 August 1934

S-1b:
HMS Slieve Donard  Mountain class escort
Laid Down: 30 July 1933
Launched: 3 November 1933
62 tons this quarter for 1,347 tons total
Completion due 27 March 1934

HMS Carnedd Llewellyn  Mountain class escort
Laid Down: 15 December 1933
Launched: 21 March 1934
134 tons this quarter for 134 tons total
Completion due 12 August 1934

S-1c:
HMS Skiddaw
Laid Down: 30 July 1933
Launched: 3 November 1933
62 tons this quarter for 1,347 tons total
Completion due 27 March 1934

HMS Sgurr Alasdair  Mountain class escort
Laid Down: 15 December 1933
Launched: 21 March 1934
134 tons this quarter for 134 tons total
Completion due 12 August 1934

S-1d:
HMS Bidean nan Bian
Laid Down: 30 July 1933
Launched: 3 November 1933
62 tons this quarter for 1,347 tons total
Completion due 27 March 1934

HMS Ben More[I]  Mountain class escort
Laid Down: 15 December 1933
Launched: 21 March 1934
134 tons this quarter for 134 tons total
Completion due 12 August 1934

S-0a:
HMS [I]P4  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 1 September 1933
Launched: 24 October 1933
53 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 13 January 1934

HMS P14  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 31 October 1933
Launched: 23 December 1933
265 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 14 March 1934

HMS P24  P Class Submarine
Laid Down 30 December 1933
Launched: 21 February 1934
320 tons this quarter for 324 tons total
Completion due 13 May 1934

HMS P34  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 28 February 1934
Launched: 22 April 1934
112 tons this quarter for 112 tons total
Completion due 12 July 1934

S-0b:
HMS P5  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 1 September 1933
Launched: 24 October 1933
53 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 13 January 1934

HMS P15  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 31 October 1933
Launched: 23 December 1933
265 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 14 March 1934

HMS P25  P Class Submarine
Laid Down 30 December 1933
Launched: 21 February 1934
320 tons this quarter for 324 tons total
Completion due 13 May 1934

HMS P35  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 28 February 1934
Launched: 22 April 1934
112 tons this quarter for 112 tons total
Completion due 12 July 1934

S-0c:
HMS P6  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 1 September 1933
Launched: 24 October 1933
53 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 13 January 1934

HMS P16  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 31 October 1933
Launched: 23 December 1933
265 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 14 March 1934

HMS P26  P Class Submarine
Laid Down 30 December 1933
Launched: 21 February 1934
320 tons this quarter for 324 tons total
Completion due 13 May 1934

HMS P36  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 28 February 1934
Launched: 22 April 1934
112 tons this quarter for 112 tons total
Completion due 12 July 1934

Beardmore:

S-4a:
HMS Ark Royal  Ark Royal Class aircraft carrier
Laid Down: 1 October 1932
Launched: 9 November 1933
2,129 tons this quarter for 12,774 tons total
Completion due 26 March 1935

HMS Swiftsure  Swiftsure Class aircraft carrier
Laid Down: 1 January 1934
Launched: 29 December 1934
1,933 tons this quarter for 1,933 tons total
Completion due 25 June 1936

S-4b
HMS Agincourt  Saint Vincent Class battleship
Laid Down: 1 January 1932
Launched: 18 July 1933
2,399 tons this quarter for 21,591 tons total
Completion due 12 November 1935

S-3a:
HMS Kelvin  K Class light cruiser
Laid Down: 1 January 1933
Launched: 18 July 1933
1,353 tons this quarter for 6,765 tons total
Completion due 12 May 1934

HMS Latona  L Class light cruiser
Laid Down: 1 January 1934
Launched: 18 January 1934
1,380 tons this quarter for 1,380 tons total
Completion due 11 May 1935

S-3b:
HMS Khedive  K Class light cruiser
Laid Down: 1 January 1933
Launched: 18 July 1933
1,353 tons this quarter for 6,765 tons total
Completion due 12 May 1934

HMS Leonidas  L Class light cruiser
Laid Down: 1 January 1934
Launched: 18 January 1934
1,380 tons this quarter for 1,380 tons total
Completion due 11 May 1935

S-1a:
HMS Whiteside  Mountain class escort
Laid Down: 30 July 1933
Launched: 3 November 1933
62 tons this quarter for 1,347 tons total
Completion due 27 March 1934

HMS Pen y Fan  Mountain class escort
Laid Down: 15 December 1933
Launched: 21 March 1934
134 tons this quarter for 134 tons total
Completion due 12 August 1934

S-1b:
HMS Garnedd Ugain  Mountain class escort
Laid Down: 30 July 1933
Launched: 3 November 1933
62 tons this quarter for 1,347 tons total
Completion due 27 March 1934

HMS Ben More Assynt  Mountain class escort
Laid Down: 15 December 1933
Launched: 21 March 1934
134 tons this quarter for 134 tons total
Completion due 12 August 1934

S-0a:
HMS P1  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 1 September 1933
Launched: 24 October 1933
431 tons this quarter for 431 tons total
Completion due 13 January 1934

HMS P11  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 31 October 1933
Launched: 23 December 1933
265 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 14 March 1934

HMS P21  P Class Submarine
Laid Down 30 December 1933
Launched: 21 February 1934
320 tons this quarter for 324 tons total
Completion due 13 May 1934

HMS P31  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 28 February 1934
Launched: 22 April 1934
112 tons this quarter for 112 tons total
Completion due 12 July 1934

S-0b:
HMS P2  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 1 September 1933
Launched: 24 October 1933
53 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 13 January 1934

HMS P12  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 31 October 1933
Launched: 23 December 1933
265 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 14 March 1934

HMS P22  P Class Submarine
Laid Down 30 December 1933
Launched: 21 February 1934
320 tons this quarter for 324 tons total
Completion due 13 May 1934

HMS P32  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 28 February 1934
Launched: 22 April 1934
112 tons this quarter for 112 tons total
Completion due 12 July 1934

S-0c:
HMS P3  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 1 September 1933
Launched: 24 October 1933
53 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 13 January 1934

HMS P13  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 31 October 1933
Launched: 23 December 1933
265 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 14 March 1934

HMS P23  P Class Submarine
Laid Down 30 December 1933
Launched: 21 February 1934
320 tons this quarter for 324 tons total
Completion due 13 May 1934

HMS P33  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 28 February 1934
Launched: 22 April 1934
112 tons this quarter for 112 tons total
Completion due 12 July 1934

Chatham:

S-5a:
HMS Trafalgar  Saint Vincent Class battleship
Laid Down: 1 January 1932
Launched: 18 July 1933
2,399 tons this quarter for 21,591 tons total
Completion due 12 November 1935

HMS Warrior  Swiftsure Class aircraft carrier
Laid Down: 1 January 1934
Launched: 29 December 1934
1,933 tons this quarter for 1,933 tons total
Completion due 25 June 1936

S-4a:
HMS Majestic  Ark Royal Class aircraft carrier
Laid Down: 1 October 1932
Launched: 9 November 1933
2,129 tons this quarter for 12,774 tons total
Completion due 26 March 1935

HMS Lancaster  L Class light cruiser
Laid Down: 1 January 1934
Launched: 18 January 1934
1,380 tons this quarter for 1,380 tons total
Completion due 11 May 1935

S-4b:
HMS Kashmir  K Class light cruiser
Laid Down: 1 January 1933
Launched: 18 July 1933
1,353 tons this quarter for 6,765 tons total
Completion due 12 May 1934

HMS Victorious  Victorious Class battleship
Laid Down 1 January 1934
Launched: 20 July 1935
2,340 tons this quarter for 2,340 tons
Completion due 13 November 1937

Pembroke:

S-5a:
HMS Saint Vincent  Saint Vincent Class battleship
Laid Down: 1 January 1932
Launched: 18 July 1933
2,399 tons this quarter for 21,591 tons total
Completion due 12 November 1935

HMS Bulwark  Swiftsure Class aircraft carrier
Laid Down: 1 January 1934
Launched: 29 December 1934
1,933 tons this quarter for 1,933 tons total
Completion due 25 June 1936

S-5b:
HMS Vanguard  Victorious Class battleship
Laid Down 1 January 1934
Launched: 20 July 1935
2,340 tons this quarter for 2,340 tons
Completion due 13 November 1937

Portsmouth:

S-4a:
HMS Nile  Saint Vincent Class battleship
Laid Down: 1 January 1932
Launched: 18 July 1933
2,399 tons this quarter for 21,591 tons total
Completion due 12 November 1935

HMS Vigilant  Victorious Class battleship
Laid Down 1 January 1934
Launched: 20 July 1935
2,340 tons this quarter for 2,340 tons
Completion due 13 November 1937

S-0a:
HMS P7  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 1 September 1933
Launched: 24 October 1933
53 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 13 January 1934

HMS P17  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 31 October 1933
Launched: 23 December 1933
265 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 14 March 1934

HMS P27  P Class Submarine
Laid Down 30 December 1933
Launched: 21 February 1934
320 tons this quarter for 324 tons total
Completion due 13 May 1934

HMS P37  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 28 February 1934
Launched: 22 April 1934
112 tons this quarter for 112 tons total
Completion due 12 July 1934

S-0b:
HMS P8  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 1 September 1933
Launched: 24 October 1933
53 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 13 January 1934

HMS P18  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 31 October 1933
Launched: 23 December 1933
265 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 14 March 1934

HMS P28  P Class Submarine
Laid Down 30 December 1933
Launched: 21 February 1934
320 tons this quarter for 324 tons total
Completion due 13 May 1934

HMS P38  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 28 February 1934
Launched: 22 April 1934
112 tons this quarter for 112 tons total
Completion due 12 July 1934

S-0c:
HMS 9  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 1 September 1933
Launched: 24 October 1933
53 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 13 January 1934

HMS P19  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 31 October 1933
Launched: 23 December 1933
265 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 14 March 1934

HMS P29  P Class Submarine
Laid Down 30 December 1933
Launched: 21 February 1934
320 tons this quarter for 324 tons total
Completion due 13 May 1934

HMS P39  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 28 February 1934
Launched: 22 April 1934
112 tons this quarter for 112 tons total
Completion due 12 July 1934

S-0d:
HMS P10  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 1 September 1933
Launched: 24 October 1933
53 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 13 January 1934

HMS P20  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 31 October 1933
Launched: 23 December 1933
265 tons this quarter for 484 tons total
Completion due 14 March 1934

HMS P30  P Class Submarine
Laid Down 30 December 1933
Launched: 21 February 1934
320 tons this quarter for 324 tons total
Completion due 13 May 1939


HMS P40  P Class Submarine
Laid Down: 28 February 1934
Launched: 22 April 1934
112 tons this quarter for 112 tons total
Completion due 12 July 1934

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Any chance we can have a peep at these new designs?

Holy bejeezus.

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Victorious Class battleship
Laid Down 1 January 1934
Launched: 20 July 1935
2,340 tons this quarter for 2,340 tons
Completion due 13 November 1938

... assuming that that the construction is 'normal', it would mean that it takes 59.4 months to complete that ship.
59.4-9=50.4
50.4*1000 = 50,400 tons light displacement.

Sweet Zombie Jesus that's a lot of steel!!! Well that'll teach you to go and break the treaty! And if the situation changes he could always have them sit on the ways for a while with the threat of completion floating over everyone's heads.

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Well that'll teach you to go and break the treaty!

Note:

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Laid Down 1 January 1934

... so to me that would mean that when Japan had stayed in the treaty, those ships would still have been laid down. Because of that date, it is impossible that those ships could have been laid down as reaction to Japan's departure of the CT, even if those plans were kept ready somewhere to be used as soon as possible. I would think that realistically it will take a couple of days before things start to roll.
... and at least the announcement of Japan's departure was posted before the Q1 report was posted.

I'll just say that, in the early stages of construction, it would not be impossible to work on plating which could be used to swing either way. A lot of the basic structural elements for a 40,000 ton vs. a 60,000 ton ship would be similar, so the decision could be deferred.

So it might be a 40,000 ton ship, building REALLY slowly. Or it might be a calculation error. Or it might be a 60,000 ton ship. I might be bluffing. It might be none of the above, and actually a five-part prefabricated drilling rig.

And I see I'm still having coding problems. Rats.

Any chance of a peep at these new ships then?

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So it might be a 40,000 ton ship, building REALLY slowly. Or it might be a calculation error. Or it might be a 60,000 ton ship. I might be bluffing. It might be none of the above, and actually a five-part prefabricated drilling rig.

That's why I said:

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assuming that that the construction is 'normal'

What I mean is that the 59.4 months is the 'normal' time to build those ships and thuswould indicate +50,000 ton ships.

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Any chance of a peep at these new ships then?

... not only was the announcement of Japan's departure posted before the Q1 report was posted, the new Japanese vessels were posted quickly after the report appeared...
Maybe I should have kept the InO design a secret, but even then, when you look at Japan's report, it's easy to see that those ships would have been well over 45,000 tons.

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New units laid down this quarter:
Okuni, Inahime and Nene (Izumo no Okuni class BB) each requiring 45,827 tons and 55 months.
Naka and Jintsu (Naka class CL) each requiring 8043 tons and 17.5 months.

Drat and blast..... this comes out after I do a turn with _9_ factories fixed to infrastructure. Grrrrrr... Oh, well, I needed the infrastructure anyway.

Editorial cartoon in the Bangkok Bugle, March 4 1934

Oops. My finger hit the '8' when it should have hit the '7'. Which explains the overblown construction time.

Crud, Frenris has broken loose, somebody tell Tyr we need a hand...his other one, while the dwarves forge a new chain!

Heck! 9 capital ships building plus 5 CVs.... I only have 6 new and two old rebuilding in my yards in Q1. And not a single CV. :o/ May I count that single CA?

Seriously, I can´t remember to have seen the RN to rebuild/modernisize anything old. Do we have to assume anything older than 15 years is hits by the malus mentioned in the infrastructure rules?

Ah, so these ships are expected to complete in late 1937? Then they're CT legal, and almost certainly replacements for the QE and R class ships that are coming up for replacement after their 20 years of service. Germany is still somewhat surprised by the size of the wave of production, but not as concerned as it was before this clarification.

I take it by naming one of them Valiant that the QEs are going to be disposed of before completion.

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Originally posted by Rooijen10

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Well that'll teach you to go and break the treaty!

Note:

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Laid Down 1 January 1934

... so to me that would mean that when Japan had stayed in the treaty, those ships would still have been laid down. Because of that date, it is impossible that those ships could have been laid down as reaction to Japan's departure of the CT, even if those plans were kept ready somewhere to be used as soon as possible. I would think that realistically it will take a couple of days before things start to roll.
... and at least the announcement of Japan's departure was posted before the Q1 report was posted.

Well the various SATSUMA nations did announce their entent to leave the treaty far in advance of Jan. 1st....

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Ah, so these ships are expected to complete in late 1937? Then they're CT legal, and almost certainly replacements for the QE and R class ships that are coming up for replacement after their 20 years of service. Germany is still somewhat surprised by the size of the wave of production, but not as concerned as it was before this clarification.

Seems like a covert message for those who wanted to leave the treaty...

"This is our building shedual with the treaty....wanna see it without the treaty?"

With a disclaimer that this is my own musings, and hasn't been discussed with RLBH (much)....

With things the way they are now, I wouldn't be suprised to see the R class going to Oz and the QEs going to Canada, once their treaty-defined 'replacements' near completion. This of course would give the Crown incentive to then build real 'replacements'

What is scary is that the Americans could do this too in time as well...much faster than anyone of the rest of us.